Distinguishing "IT"

I've come to the conclusion, after much research and pondering, that our consciousness or "i am" of beingness, involves a twofold process, one, at the classical level, via the physical brain-nervous system, reaction/response mechanism, or the "self" as nothing more than a biological, meaning making machine and elaborate recording device, and two, at a quantum holographic level, wherein the choosing self, the one who, prior to judgement through the veil of all our reality filters, exists within an eternal, non-localized domain of potential and possibility, as the one who imagines and dreams without regards to external conditions or the particularization of a "thing-like" experience. The one who knows.

In terms of the unique spiritual experience or qualia of what is authentic or real, I would like to suggest here that only one of these two systems is "real" as in "the real you", while the other is an imposter as who we THINK we are, based solely on recorded memory after having been sifted by our reality filters, and based upon the apparent, particularized separateness of being or the self as a THING in a world of people, places and things, a unit. IT know's it-self as itself, and therefore thinks that IT is who we really are!

Of these two self-beings, one is an IT, the other, our true and authentic self with full self awareness, and thus true self-knowledge.

However, until we can distinguish or differentiate the IT-self (from true self), until we know and understand just who and what we are not, we cannot achieve the greater depth and breadth of awareness and the knowledge (spiritual experience) of our truest and most authentic or real self as the real "i am".

What or who is IT?

IT is that run-on voice inside your head. IT is the one who's always on guard. IT the one who assigns to ourselves with every error we make the label "LOSER". IT is the one who fears the present, as if the release of past and future would spell it's own death. IT rememebers everything, having recorded everything that ever happened, or how we interpreted what happened, and therefore it's a harsh judge. Being nothing but a biological meaning making machine, IT never rests. Forever judging, protecting, predicting, recalling, and insessantly demanding that we see the world and our place in it in terms of competition and survival, at all levels, from the physical to the emotional, IT has complete dominion, to the degree that if we were to inquire as to who and what we are, we mistakenly take this control freak as our true self, assuming of course that the voice inside the head and the one who filters and judges everything is our real self, and that at most we are nothing but an organism, a "thing".

"What voice inside the head?" you ask..? That voice, the voice of "reason" which is rushing ahead as you read these words, trying to interpret and judge along the lines of "is this good/bad", "I already know everything", and "just who does this guy think he is?". That voice. IT is the interpreter, the judge, the one who automatically assumes that everything is win/lose, dog eat dog, survival of the fittest and who is so quick to judge, to assume, and to push back, and which sees everything as a threat within the frame of reference of right/wrong. IT is the you who thinks I'm criticizing you for having an IT or worse, being nothing but IT! IT is also the one who needs and must know right away in the space of uncertainty or the possibility of new understanding. IT can't not know already. IT's on top of everything, including everyting that is real and true and authentic, if need be. Being a program, it has no freedom however, so it's attached, and highly compulsive-disordered. IT is the you who never really listens to other people, and is only concerned with getting your two cents in to prove that you are right, or righter than or that you already know and know much more!

Of course IT hates this kind of inquiry, because it cannot fathom anything other than itself, and of protecting itself, especially from true self of which the IT-self has and can have no understanding or awareness.

IT however can be distinguished/differentiated.

And when we really consider our whole field of awareness, we come to see and recognize that this flitting around attached to it-self ITself, represents but the smallest part of our actual experience, and we may even notice, as we notice IT, that it starts to settle down and relax it's grip and hold over our awareness, it may even begin to dissolve entirely in the field of our true self, our eternal, non-local, quantum holographic self, and sometimes a shift will occur, wherein IT is put back into it's rightful place as automaton, and physical guardian, yet under the rightful authority and dominion of the true self, and the one who knows himself as he truly is. And once this happens, while the mind once shifted cannot go back to its original configuration, we have to maintain a state of eternal viligence so that "we don't get fooled again."

If we are to be free, who we are being at any given moment must be recognized as our own creation, and not as an automatic expression of ITself. Without awareness, life loses its luster, and as hard as IT works for survival against all odds, in the end and in the final analysis it becomes an enemy of our true and authentic self, by continually projecting something into the future which by its very nature is unreal and nothing more than an accumulation of reaction/response mechanisms and value judgements, from a non-existent past.

Somehow during the process, we ourselves got processed and subjugated into a realm or domain of limiting and constraining possibility, doomed, not to create a new and better future for ourselves of our own choosing, but simply to live out a pre-recorded, preordained future, based on nothing more than a collection of recorded interpretations, as a continual projection from the past, which isn't even real to begin with. At least the future we are living into contains within it all possibility.

IT took over.

But there's hope!

When we distinguish IT in the domain of true self awareness, the scales fall from our eyes and we see again, as if like a child, the whole of the world and life spread out before us, as a domain of infinite possibility we are living into as an expression of authentic freedom, and love, who is our true self as we really are, and always were and always will be, in truth and life as it is, where what is real and true cannot be an imposition upon the mind once recognized for the truth that it is and represents. Once we distinguish it, it is reintegrated appropriately within the appropriate contextual relationship with true self, as our true self is in God as the truth and reality that envelopes everything everywhere always and forever.

Do we condemn IT, or the self that it generated and then tricked us into identifying ourselve with? Hardly.

All we need to is to reocognize who and what we were not, to discover who and what we really are.

Distinguising IT puts IT back into its rightful place, while restoring us to our own original good-willed, good-humored, good-nature, and that's good news!



NAM

Well said sir.

To live is to dream. To awaken . . .

reply to post by mattime

What I like is how it goes from being a biological machine intelligence, into the perfect foil for much humor, like it contained vast, untapped resources, of HUMOR, once differentiated, and that's frick'n AWESOME as far as I'm concerned, that in the fullness of time and history, it still had a purpose, and needn't be condemned for taking over. There's something there in the differentiation and reintegration, both capable of bringing tears to our eyes (recognition of our folly and ignorance) and then wiping those tears away in a joy and laughter which never ends as a newfound self-reinforcing dynamic of freedom and love.

It didn't know ANYTHING, only what it thought it knew!

Hilarious!

You wanted out, but you can't have it. It's in your face, but you can't grab it.


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reply to post by NewAgeMan

I've come to the conclusion, after much research and pondering, that our consciousness or "i am" of beingness, involves a twofold process, one, at the classical level, via the physical brain-nervous system, reaction/response mechanism, or the "self" as nothing more than a biological, meaning making machine and elaborate recording device, and two, at a quantum holographic level, wherein the choosing self, the one who, prior to judgement through the veil of all our reality filters, exists within an eternal, non-localized domain of potential and possibility, as the one who imagines and dreams without regards to external conditions or the particularization of a "thing-like" experience. The one who knows

Agreed, i do beleive that there is a perception of two seperate "sections" so to speak of our conciouseness. I also would say that i tend to subscribe to the idea of the latter being more "real"........... or whatever you want to call it.

In terms of the unique spiritual experience or qualia of what is authentic or real, I would like to suggest here that only one of these two systems is "real" as in "the real you", while the other is an imposter as who we THINK we are, based solely on recorded memory after having been sifted by our reality filters, and based upon the apparent, particularized separateness of being or the self as a THING in a world of people, places and things, a unit. IT know's it-self as itself, and therefore thinks that IT is who we really are!

As well i pretty much agree, and i think what your getting at is what i like to call the "auto-neuralogical creation of the ego self." In a primitive sense, it is a symptom of having an experience via a physical form with perceptual ability. But the actual process behind how it happens is much more complex than that.....it has alot to do with having certain types of experiences repeated, and memory imprints, basically "brainwashing"

Of these two self-beings, one is an IT, the other, our true and authentic self with full self awareness, and thus true self-knowledge.

However, until we can distinguish or differentiate the IT-self (from true self), until we know and understand just who and what we are not, we cannot achieve the greater depth and breadth of awareness and the knowledge (spiritual experience) of our truest and most authentic or real self as the real "i am".

This is one of the largest problems with any "gap" or "difference" in peoples ability to see past the lies and evil that are in the everyday things they interact with. If this distinguishment could be better understood by everyone, it may help us with understanding how to better ourselves and the planet.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

What or who is IT?

IT is that run-on voice inside your head. IT is the one who's always on guard. IT the one who assigns to ourselves with every error we make the label "LOSER". IT is the one who fears the present, as if the release of past and future would spell it's own death. IT rememebers everything, having recorded everything that ever happened, or how we interpreted what happened, and therefore it's a harsh judge. Being nothing but a biological meaning making machine, IT never rests. Forever judging, protecting, predicting, recalling, and insessantly demanding that we see the world and our place in it in terms of competition and survival, at all levels, from the physical to the emotional, IT has complete dominion, to the degree that if we were to inquire as to who and what we are, we mistakenly take this control freak as our true self, assuming of course that the voice inside the head and the one who filters and judges everything is our real self, and that at most we are nothing but an organism, a "thing".

"What voice inside the head?" you ask..? That voice, the voice of "reason" which is rushing ahead as you read these words, trying to interpret and judge along the lines of "is this good/bad", "I already know everything", and "just who does this guy think he is?". That voice. IT is the interpreter, the judge, the one who automatically assumes that everything is win/lose, dog eat dog, survival of the fittest and who is so quick to judge, to assume, and to push back, and which sees everything as a threat within the frame of reference of right/wrong. IT is the you who thinks I'm criticizing you for having an IT or worse, being nothing but IT! IT is also the one who needs and must know right away in the space of uncertainty or the possibility of new understanding. IT can't not know already. IT's on top of everything, including everyting that is real and true and authentic, if need be. Being a program, it has no freedom however, so it's attached, and highly compulsive-disordered. IT is the you who never really listens to other people, and is only concerned with getting your two cents in to prove that you are right, or righter than or that you already know and know much more!

Of course IT hates this kind of inquiry, because it cannot fathom anything other than itself, and of protecting itself, especially from true self of which the IT-self has and can have no understanding or awareness.

It is quite a friggin bi@#h sometimes, and can in many many cases be the reason for spiritual inhabition. There are certain times when we do things, we look back on them and think that maybe it would have been a better idea to do things a different way, in a more moraly friendly way, but our ego takes charge sometimes, and much of life is spent as a battle between sorry hemispheres.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

IT however can be distinguished/differentiated.

And when we really consider our whole field of awareness, we come to see and recognize that this flitting around attached to it-self ITself, represents but the smallest part of our actual experience, and we may even notice, as we notice IT, that it starts to settle down and relax it's grip and hold over our awareness, it may even begin to dissolve entirely in the field of our true self, our eternal, non-local, quantum holographic self, and sometimes a shift will occur, wherein IT is put back into it's rightful place as automaton, and physical guardian, yet under the rightful authority and dominion of the true self, and the one who knows himself as he truly is. And once this happens, while the mind once shifted cannot go back to its original configuration, we have to maintain a state of eternal viligence so that "we don't get fooled again."

If we are to be free, who we are being at any given moment must be recognized as our own creation, and not as an automatic expression of ITself. Without awareness, life loses its luster, and as hard as IT works for survival against all odds, in the end and in the final analysis it becomes an enemy of our true and authentic self, by continually projecting something into the future which by its very nature is unreal and nothing more than an accumulation of reaction/response mechanisms and value judgements, from a non-existent past.

Somehow during the process, we ourselves got processed and subjugated into a realm or domain of limiting and constraining possibility, doomed, not to create a new and better future for ourselves of our own choosing, but simply to live out a pre-recorded, preordained future, based on nothing more than a collection of recorded interpretations, as a continual projection from the past, which isn't even real to begin with. At least the future we are living into contains within it all possibility.

IT took over.

But there's hope!

When we distinguish IT in the domain of true self awareness, the scales fall from our eyes and we see again, as if like a child, the whole of the world and life spread out before us, as a domain of infinite possibility we are living into as an expression of authentic freedom, and love, who is our true self as we really are, and always were and always will be, in truth and life as it is, where what is real and true cannot be an imposition upon the mind once recognized for the truth that it is and represents. Once we distinguish it, it is reintegrated appropriately within the appropriate contextual relationship with true self, as our true self is in God as the truth and reality that envelopes everything everywhere always and forever.

Do we condemn IT, or the self that it generated and then tricked us into identifying ourselve with? Hardly.

All we need to is to reocognize who and what we were not, to discover who and what we really are.

Distinguising IT puts IT back into its rightful place, while restoring us to our own original good-willed, good-humored, good-nature, and that's good news!

Couldnt have said it better myself. Great post, and thank you.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


I (not my IT, my IT is irritated that you'd suggest this when IT already knows this is true and is fighting because I want IT to go away, like, yesterday) am on board with this train of thought. Great explanation.

In no way meaning any disrespect, but aren't you essentially just talking about the ego and the higher self, merely with different labels? These aren't really new concepts.

And depending on what you feel the meaning of life to be, it is my view that the IT (ego) is a necessary component for us to survive on this physical plane. In fact, it is my view that this IT is something that is meant to be in order for us to in many ways gain the knowledge from the process of the Source experiencing itself as us.

I don't really see it as some epic battle where the IT has taken over from the holographic self. Obviously the IT must eventually be overcome as we progress through our many incarnations back to become one again. But it is my belief that this is an inevitable process that will eventually come to us all.

My view, the key to happiness is to revell in you ITness and temper it with guidance from your holographic self.

reply to post by NewAgeMan


i disagree substantially and formally with ur op

it is abherent to tell anyone to recognize himself, he is himself always if u mean being talking to animals just fed with a brain forcing them to use it independantly, ur mean cant allow u to use words for

the issue is present value, bc only what is true is present value result as positive constancy while only what is absolutely present exist objectively through a thing form

so we have absolute present and relative present

the fact that all is done in times allow absolute present to be known from urself objective reality, where u could value urself present one of all present regarding ur living sense out of urself realization through that present time

but the fact that u r out of all present reality as a conscious free appreciation and estimations, make u able to mean other present values, the will is not the futur, the will is that free thought meaning present value to u which is not there absolutely, that free thought that could be willing to use its own free energy stand for realizing relative value of that relative present of ur true value system u r always willing to actualize now as ur present too

it could b of past value u know or u guess which is not present absolutely now, while it could b of absolute value in conceving positive truth right that of course is always before u while always lacking the element u

the problem is where u see all as one, there where u get to dreams issues or creations of wills

all is never one in truth, all is all possible different free stands from same fact constancy existence, plus the all reality constancy junction of different freedom, plus the freedom of all out of that realization of all at same point

to b existing is to b present right, then it is logical that u exist through what is objectively present but also through what is subjectively present to u, when present is objective value, so the value also exist not only the objective
but also u exist through whatever u objectively realize alone as a source out of ur free stand energy using urself reality freedom from the junction reality point to acualize smthg else too

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only truth is one bc truth cant be said objectively since noone and nothing cant b above truth to realize it

so truth is exclusively the one concept of absolute superiority as the cause of absolute positive freedom constancy which is also the cause of objective present existence constancy living

Originally posted by 1littlewolf
In no way meaning any disrespect, but aren't you essentially just talking about the ego and the higher self, merely with different labels? These aren't really new concepts.

And depending on what you feel the meaning of life to be, it is my view that the IT (ego) is a necessary component for us to survive on this physical plane. In fact, it is my view that this IT is something that is meant to be in order for us to in many ways gain the knowledge from the process of the Source experiencing itself as us.

I don't really see it as some epic battle where the IT has taken over from the holographic self. Obviously the IT must eventually be overcome as we progress through our many incarnations back to become one again. But it is my belief that this is an inevitable process that will eventually come to us all.

My view, the key to happiness is to revell in you ITness and temper it with guidance from your holographic self.

edit on 14/11/2011 by 1littlewolf because: (no reason given)

So true, we need the human brain, that's what our soul wants, to live a human experience. The problem is when you think you are nothing but the human brain, you are your soul living with a temporary personality which is the human brain, so we are a soul-body complex.

We need both to live this experience.

I think we have to be friends with our temporary personality, it is not evil, it allows you to live here.

The idea is to distinguish IT in the presence of being, and then to come to the realization that we can release from fear, and the need to be thinking all the time. We need to put things back into their proper context, so that the true and authentic being of who we really are can reign over the ego/it-self. Ego and mind would be other words to describe it. Once it knows that it's just an it, and not the real person, then it falls into line provided we maintain a watchful and observing awareness. The idea here is not to be taken over by it, or to get confused and take it to be our true and eternal self.

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I am on my way out the door to give an estimate, then have to come home and cook (dang kids have to eat again lol ) but I wanted to mark this thread so I can come back later for a read and possibly add input. The beginning sounds interesting OP.

Jenn

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I'm not making it wrong, just pointing out that it's easy to mistake IT for our true and authentic real self who is presence, beingness, and joy. Distinguishing IT (ego, mind) as an it, is very helpful. The awareness also places our true self as apart from emotional reaction/resopnses and thus over them also, which brings peace. The thinking mind drives the emotions and vice versa.

You will know that you've been successful in distinguishing IT-self, when you gain peace and sutble joy in place of fear, and the possibility of love as a free expression of the higher self whereby love cannot be real and authentic, unless it is free.

What I'm saying here is that IT has become like a gatekeeper, even a prison keeper, and that when IT runs the show, we are not free.

It's not an epic battle, just a simple movement of awareness, from thinking, to being.

IT is very useful as a tool, and as I pointed out, can also operate as a source of humor when distinguished or differentiated from the true self. That's another test I think, is the humor of understanding, once the supremecy and domination of IT-self is undone.

reply to post by absolutely

Some people are wound up pretty tight (I know I was and still am to a degree sometimes). What is the source of all the emotional disturbance, all the suffering and pain?

I believe that there's a fundamental problem that IT cannot solve, since the thinking mind is part of the problem. It's like the Chief of Police trying to find an arsonist when the arsonist is the Chief of Police..

Insecurity and an existential fear seems to be IT's stock and trade and the means by which it claims it's authority over us, to protect us, to protect ITself as a deterministic program of self preservation, against all odds. IT is a well established sytem who's principal interest lies in maintaining the "status quo", and in truth it doesn't know anything else, doesn't know creativity, freedom, or real love, it doesn't know who and what we really are, and doesn't care.

OTOH, we can know IT and distinguish it from our true self, and turn the tables so that it will come to know who's boss, and since it was only doing the best it could with the resources available to it, to guard and protect the organism, it will happily obey the wishes of the true self because it knows already that something's wrong and that it doesn't possess the resources to solve the problem that it has gone to great lengths to try to solve, which is the avoidance of pain and suffering, so it's already at it's own wits end, and may be in truth relieved to hand the reigns of power over to the spirit or the ghost in the machine (the real you).

Once we "get" this realization, what happens when we take this understanding, and view it within the macro human sphere? What happens when we look to the nation, how does IT run, and are there any parallels here? And do "they" actually use this automatic pilot of reaction/resonse, selfishness and me me me first, I'm right/you're wrong battle of the IT's, to hijack our "rational" faculties, by appealing directly to the fight or flight, reaction/response mechanisms? Are wedges inserted to provoke base emotional reactions, and turn us against one another as part of a divide and conquor stategy? Are "they" even fully consciously aware of what they are doing, and why?

"Forgive them father for they know not what they do." - just who is he addressing there, and who or what is forgiven due to it's/their ignorance..?

something to ponder with awareness and understanding and the presence of mind which transcends mind..?

Tip

The gateway access point to maintaining one's presence and beingness as your "I am" true self, is the eternally unfolding present moment of now, while simply being aware of ITself's incessant ramblings and the emotional reactions it evokes, which in turn feed it as part of a self reinforcing dynamic resulting in true-self forgetting ie: the taking over of true self by ITself. Aside from insecurity, time is also it's stock in trade, and it is unable to assert itself and dominate the true self in the presence of the present with awareness.

So we need to practice the presence of the present with awareness of being, and fine the peace, joy and love in the presence of being our true self, who is timeless, spaceless "I am" here now, accepting what is as it is, and then acting as needed out of that creative space of all possibility.

Our mind is just a tool, nothing more.

Tip Two (and btw, these learnings are all things I've picked up along the way from one source or another, and in truth I don't have an original idea of my own, which is ok)

Absolute acceptance of what is / non-judgement.

The ego loves and feeds on judgement, at every level, filtering our experience through every manner of preconception and bias (reality filter).

If we do not judge the apparent "paritcularization" or thingness of our experience, at all levels, and if we withold judgement of others (let vengeance be mine sayeth the Lord), including ourselves, accepting what is as it is, only then from right being, can right thinking and action occur - and only then are we truly free.

From the time we get up in the morning, that voice in the head starts up (IT), judging anything and everything, and then it's thing thing thing and people, places and things all day long, and by the time the day ends, we're exhausted from all the energy this required, and more often than not, being wound up by ITself, having taken us over via judgement and differentiation (and through time-based projections), we haven't been able to access the wisdom, the creative resources or the energy to even begin to concieve how to deal with everything that's coming at us moment by moment, let alone take the best course of action in the face of it all, and the result? a wasted day, doing nothing but judging and comparing, and looking around and going "thing thing thing, here's a thing there's a thing" all day along, while also maintaining and harboring resentments toward our fellow man, and toward ourselves. This is insane. You see it now don't you?

Better by far (by an infinite degree) to be free in the present, and experience reality as it is, while accessing the creative space of new possibility in how to respond to the ups and downs, the circumstances and so-called vissisitues of life, which needn't effect our "I am" state of being, and cannot. No, what is real and true cannot be threatened, not even by death, so what's to worry about and get all bent out of shape over, and how is that helpful, to doing anything of value, as a free will causal agent of change by the neccessity of choice?

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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Some people are wound up pretty tight (I know I was and still am to a degree sometimes). What is the source of all the emotional disturbance, all the suffering and pain?

I believe that there's a fundamental problem that IT cannot solve, since the thinking mind is part of the problem. It's like the Chief of Police trying to find an arsonist when the arsonist is the Chief of Police..

And for the record, no I'm not an arsonist, or even a narcissist! just a bright guy who loves to share and try to be helpful ;to others that's all. (wish my continued contribution to this thread hadn't stopped all replies and activities by others, what's that about?)