Why can't we start a new civilization? How would you go about this?

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here you go

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The Resilient Community Wiki: www.miiu.org...

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A resilient community is a place that produces most of what it needs locally. It connects virtually for everything else. It's a vibrant local economy as well as a community that is immune to a) global depression, b) political instability, c) shortages, famines, etc., and d) most effects of natural disasters. In short, it's resilient.

MiiU is a collection of all the resources and places that make personal, family, and community resilience possible. Resilience isn't only about surviving global failures, it's about building a better life for you and everyone around you.

How to Create an Occupy Tribe: globalguerrillas.typepad.com...

There's no question that the Occupy groups have done a great job with constructing the outlines of resilient communities in the heart of many of our most dense urban areas.

People pitch in to do work. They are considerate despite the difficulty of the arrangement. Food gets served. The area gets cleaned. There is entertainment. There's innovation (equipment, tech, workarounds). There is education (lots of seminars being taught). There is open, participatory governance. All of this is great and this experience will definitely pay off over the next decade as the global economy deteriorates, panics, fails. It will make building resilient communities easier (there are lots of ways to build a resilient community, we're trying to document all of the ways how on MiiU).
However, is this experience building a tribal identity? An Occupy tribe? Something that can eventually (there's lots to do in the short to medium term) go beyond protest and build something new? One even strong enough to create new resilient economic and social networks that step into the breach as the current one fails?

of course you're gonna have take measures to defend yourself and your community

reply to post by dc4lifeskater



I think it is more than a little ironic folks on ATS have provisions squirreled away and their bug out location picked out - now all of a sudden starting a new civilization is unheard of? What were they planning on doing with all that free time without TV or the internet?

lammas.org.uk...

If by some chance your new utopia managed to get up and running, once it gets to a certain size, it will start to attract attention.

Generally the attention of nations who want to squash out any unwanted competition.

Interesting idea, could just get in touch with a tribe living in mountain areas of Asia or the jungles of the amazon. They do face problems though as the civilised world closes on taking the resources. Of course it goes without saying unless we have a big bank involved, we face the risk of NATO blowing the s*** out of us. Seems to be the norm these days

Creating a new society has been tried in the past. Just look at these:
en.wikipedia.org...

What you need is some land that isn't already claimed under another countries territorial control. Which are almost nonexistant.

You MUST be able to claim sovereignty over some type of physical territory. Be it on an island, in the middle of the ocean or wherever. In the past, people have attempted to use artificial islands and remote atolls. Others have gone so far as to lease land from an acting government body for the purpose of instituting an independent nation.

International law states that you must meet the following criteria to create a sovereign nation-state.
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.