Was it a succubus or something else

Before I begin this paragraph, I'm not here to discuss the validity of these claims as reality is subjective and I know I'm not the only one whether you all want to admit it or not, I don't really care but show some respect for what I have to say and you'll be given the same exact courtesy.

Now, six months ago I had found God or he found me. One or the other, I'm not exactly sure but since then my life has been turned upside down. There are many things I've been trying to understand but now I fully accept what having strong faith entails. And a couple weeks ago mine had been to the test.

I have experienced much paranormal activity in my room but nothing ever hostile or worth looking too deep into but that changed about three weeks ago. I had been laying in my bed trying to go to sleep when I felt the covers being tugged from the bottom of my bed. This has been going on for awhile but finally I decided to wrap my head around it, so I attempted to communicate with the being but then it had stopped. When I began to finally drift to sleep it started again, I then jolted awake and was overwhelmed by this feeling that got the 'beast'/mini epoch aroused. The beast had been awaken but I prayed as hard as I could to god but the most vivid images started playing through my head out of my control.

I saw quite the curvaceous woman with long jet black hair rolling on a dimly lit room. It looked almost victorian era. But she was moaning and calling to me. Then I started to feel something crawl on top of me and touch my personals. I felt a sudden weight come down upon my waist and my body had began to tingle. All I could hear at the time was loud vibrations with these visions going through my head but none the less I prayed to God to help me. At first I thought he had been ignoring me but after about thirty minutes of trying to keep my head straight it stopped. I lost my 'stoner' just as quick as it popped up and then I heard 'you passed where they couldn't'

Now I know it's quick to jump on to the Old Hag syndrome band wagon, say I have been dreaming, or to say I have schizophrenia. But nada psychiatrists have diagnosed me as eccentric but nothing out of the ordinary, I'd admit I'm not on the top list of sane people but anyone who believes their truly sane are the ones you gotta watch out for. Nor had I managed to reach sleep, cos trust me when I'm out you have a good chance of setting a house on fire and I probably still wouldn't wake up.

I felt proud to hear that I may of passed some sort of test, but now that being whatever it may be is back. I'm sure it isn't malevolent as I had felt the same tugging months before and being the sissy baby I was, I would start thinking happy thoughts. I hear that spirits would take that as rejection but six months straight and now coming back stronger than ever.

All I want is guidance or some kind of knowledge so I can at least know what it is rooming with me now. I keep hearing the name Elysia being repeated but I don't know a single person with that name. I've never even seen it spelled that way before it came to me.

It may very well have been a succubus. I was under the spell of one for nearly 2 years. She had long straight black hair and was curvy. My son just got out from under one that had him trapped for 5 years. She too had long straight black hair and lots of curves.

It is a terrifying thing to be controlled by one. It sucks your life out and kills you slowly from the inside out.

Ive never experienced this before and I'm glad. I vocally and vehemently state that I want no visitors when I feel like I'm not alone and that they are not welcome and the feeling has always (so far) dissipated, but I've never had the curvy woman with black hair try to molest me.

Personally, I think i'd have a heart attack if I really experienced something supernatural.

I heard that things like this happen to people that become friends with God. I tried going down that path, but life was just easier without him.

reply to post by Ookie


Do you or your son have any advice about these beings? I've been reading and hearing different things that Dakini are often confused with succubi but I wouldn't be one to tell the difference. And how did you both manage to escape it?

Originally posted by EpochIX

 

I had been laying in my bed trying to go to sleep when I felt the covers being tugged from the bottom of my bed. This has been going on for awhile but finally I decided to wrap my head around it, so I attempted to communicate with the being but then it had stopped.

First off let me add that I also have experienced one of these. The urban dictionary defines that as a female spirit that uses sex and psychological means to fulfill her own selfish desires. If that is what it is...

Urban Dictionary

So it's not as much about you as it is about "her". For some reason, you're open to this kind of attack right now. I would not enter into conversation with it if you can help it. Notice how it became stronger and more bold when you did? No more of that. If prayer from your heart is something you can "wrap your mind around", I would do a lot of that. Pray for an intervention. To be relieved of this without entering into dialog with (it). No matter what. You can even ask to be relieved of this particular spirit by name, since you know it. That is one of the weird things about demons. They can be easier evicted if you know their name. Usually they don't like to give that up though. This one may be a weaker sort. Wait for it to reveal itself again. Try it. In the name of the one true god, god of abraham, moses and his son Jesus, please deliver me from ________. You will know if it is working if it gets upset and tries to make you stop, thru fear or moving objects, bed clothes, etc. You are on the right path. If you have family or someone who understands these things from your circle of friends, try to elicit their help by standing by and praying with you. If being alone is uncomfortable.

I have schizophrenia. But nada psychiatrists have diagnosed me as eccentric but nothing out of the ordinary, I'd admit I'm not on the top list of sane people but anyone who believes their truly sane are the ones you gotta watch out for. Nor had I managed to reach sleep, cos trust me when I'm out you have a good chance of setting a house on fire and I probably still wouldn't wake up.

If you are on any kind of meds that depress the central nervous system, like psychotropic or sedatives, its best to try and pray about it when you are dried out. Get clear headed for a few days ( if you can take it), and when it returns pray for deliverance. Remember you are only asking for divine intervention, don't talk to it, command it or demand that god deal with it. It is out of your control . This thing is way stronger than you and can always overpower you if you try and fight it. Just observe, nothing more. Don't stop. Some times this can take a while?

When it is driven away, you will know it. You will see that with your minds eye. Desire to be saved from it, yearn with all your heart. Do not engage it. Just pray and observe. It will get a little worse before it gets any better. Just keep praying. Take breaks if need be to gather your wits. Then start again. As you move towards the light and the light moves towards you, this thing will become more and more uncomfortable and will depart. This does not sound like a possession as sucubus just wants to have their brand of fun and then leave. It will leave. Guard against it coming back and it may try, but just be aware. You gain strength by doing this, this is exactly where you are supposed to be on your life's journey, with an important lesson before you.

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I understand where you're coming from. Before I began working on attaining oneness, I was experiencing even then the paranormal as I had messed with a ouija board a couple years back. And being as young as I was, the next year was one of the most frightening. I felt like my castle had been laid to seige and I was watching it be desecrated before my very eyes. I agree with that statement, belonging to God does tend to be a calling cards to spirits of all kind but that fear I used to have of the unknown was replaced with respect for the unknown as that is what most of these spirits want, even the negative entities tend appreciate respect from what Ive found. I could be wrong with my wasted youth but I'm sure eventually we will all know more.

reply to post by intrptr


Fuhhhh i meant I don't have schizophrenia. I really wish I had read it but I meant to say it's easy to jump on the bandwagon to say it was old hag syndrome, I was dreaming or I have schizophrenia (as those are what paranormal experiences are linked too)

Edit more in a sec, just had to clear the air haha.


I mean after six months of refusing it's advances it stopped for a moment then when I was at a strong point after spending the last months trying to find a light within the darkness, it returned but this time it returned with visions and the other night I did happen to make a mistake from what it seems. I was told to just be willing and accept it, I wasn't sure what but then next thing I know, I needed a new change of pants. This time there were no strong visions and it wasn't like anything had actually been offered, I was confused but it didn't seem like the same being from before. I prayed to God for the last few days that if this being means me any harm to deliver me from it but it's still here.

reply to post by EpochIX

So you are awake when this happens? I mean fully awake or not so sure?
Fog of sleep, can seem real at waking moments. You have to be sure about this.
And might there be some secret desire here for it?
I know that my experience was pleasant and only once, so I can't say about your dark haired "lover". My visitor was blonde. This is a real phenomenon. I know, cause it happened to me. If yours is not leaving then maybe you like it too much? I don't know, just try what I said about how to pray, and see what happens. Get back to me after that.

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I'm wide awake when this happens every time. It's more deeper at night when I try to fall asleep but it takes me a while to get to sleep. The weird thing is the first time I took her (or it's) advice, it helped me to drift onto that border where I could fall asleep at any second but I could stay awake if I tried hard enough. It made everything much more vivid, and I won't go deep into details though if you've also experienced this I'm sure you know what happens at that point.
See for awhile I was wanting a real relationship and believe me I still do but no when it first appeared to me, I had no idea what it's intentions were. I didn't even have the slightest clue it wanted some form of arousal from me.
The thing is though it's been here long before I had a clue what it wanted but it doesn't always beckon for a diddle. It sometimes attempts other methods of being intimate but not all entirely sexual. Yes, it does feel good and it's lifted my spirits in ways but I don't lose whatever faith the big man up stairs has with me. It's all really confusing. And by the way, I appreciate all your words of wisdom. Every single one of you, as this is a very pivotal time in my life and all the guidance is welcomed.

reply to post by EpochIX


hate to break it to you but you actually failed

the ego and the body will come up with all sorts of tricks to prevent you from astral projecting

Xtians just looooove to gush about succubi, incubi and the demonic to further frighten you away from this birthright

immortality of the soul can only be gained from effort, an unawakened soul is easy prey after the death of the body, precisely because it's asleep.

much of what is called cristianity has nothing to due with the Christ or Jesus's teachings really.

those martyrs who sang amidst the flames? they knew, that there is the body, the soul, and the spirit.
they didn't fear death at all because they knew as opposed to taking somebody's word for it.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


That may be but I'm sure the test I'm speaking of I did not fail. As I used to be a chronic master baiter, and at the time it was a habit willing to die hard and facing the most lucid visions I've had of the most beautiful woman I have seen in the entirety I'd call my life, I held in for thirty minutes feeling this being touch me trying to convince me to give into selfish carnal desires. And understand it felt as if a woman was actually attempting to bring me inside of her. And no human woman could possibly surpass her in physical beauty as far as I've seen. It was like I had filled with a heavy dosage of ecstasy and viagra. It's was very hard not to pay attention to what I had been seeing but I kept praying.
And just as quickly as I gained a 'stoner', it disappeared immediately as I heard those words spoke to me. It wasn't a woman but I'm not sure it was a man who said it either. The words I shall not repeat but I believe inside my heart it was god who told me. And supposing I truly did fail, don't worry I will be held accountable for it.
So what did I do to fail? Did I fail by choosing an unbeaten path or by not choosing to touch myself?
I am interested on what you mean, as I'm still confused so please elaborate, my friend.
And by the way, I'm not exactly sure whether this being was truly a succubi, demon, etc. I believe that it may have been a dakini but only one being really knows that. :/

And for a long time I've been trying to astral project but it's still a confusing process, so there was no hindrance from them there, other than myself. And my friend, you are very wise, but astral projection is a battle I'm still facing. If you have any advice, u2u me.

EpochIX, let me say that I believe your account.

I've had an intimate spirit with me since birth or before (I am 50), and sexual interaction began in 1979. She revealed herself in 2008 and I've been on an information quest almost daily since then. You can read my account here.
I've talked with countless men & women who have also personally experienced this with credible accounts. You can click my yahoo profile and see this is the primary topic of interest. I've also been a guest appearance on the
Paraquest Radio Network

I don't have all the answers but my opinions are correlated from personal experience, daily research and accounts from others with actual experience. Most of the time you'll get suggestions based on scary myth and hear say, from folks who've heard it the same way.

I have learned that the label "Succubus and Incubis" is a general blanket label applied by the general public to virtually any spirit type associated with sexual activity.
This blanket label of them being a dark, parasitic and evil demon is replicated in almost every discussion today regardless of their actual intent or often positive alignment. I have never seen anything portrayed in the media as anything other than scary demonic. Those inky black sucky-things in Harry Potter movies are an example.

I've been doing research on this subject almost daily for several years and the earliest official church document I've found as the origin of the Succubus/Incubis myth is Malleus Maleficarum otherwise known as "The witches hammer".

The document is primarily about killing witchcraft and outlays the framework of twisted logic for the reason to accuse, try and if necessary kill suspected witches.
It is the earliest reference I've been able to locate about the Incubis/Succubus myth. It's where the myth of a Succubus visits men while they sleep to seduce and extract, draining the victim until dead then impregnating a woman to produce hybrid demon-human children.
The other outrageous claims within it include that seizures are demon possession, birth defects are proof of a hybrid demonic birth, the Earth is the universe center and more ridiculous claims make the entire document invalid IMO. More to consider is the fact that there's been no record of any celestial birth for almost 2012 years.

I assume the question is whether the experience(s) are rooted in good, neutral or bad intention.

I believe the answer to know if a spirit is good or bad is not necessarily known by any single matter, but rather a broad assessment in a persons life. I don't believe spirits will find a person then immediately begin interacting with them. I believe there's a period of observing us first before "probing" into our lives according to their disposition or alignment.

I think that a general inventory of an individual's life can be a tell tale sign of intention based on the probing already done by the spirit and the nature of the sexual activity.

For example if the overall assessment of a persons life is good, they're a generally positive person without abnormal burdens and they find them self as an interest of an intimate spiritual being then I would say it isn't necessarily bad or dangerous. But I also advise caution until the being is known better.

It also depends on the individual spirit, as they are sentient and their personalities are diverse as ours. Some are gushing with love, consideration and respect while others are not to the degree.

On the other hand if a persons life is in chaos, isolated and alone, feeling depressed and now find that "something" is having sex with them then I'd fight with all my might, reinforce spiritual defenses and get their life back in order.
Doris Bithers and her family's account which was loosely portrayed in a movie "The Entity" may be an example of this. (The movie portrays the family's prior life as normal, but the actual family members account is contrary) This type of presence seem to be rare.

reply to post by EpochIX


yes, i seem to have jumped the gun though the old hag phenomenon and being touched are classic symptoms of the body fearing it will be abandoned [ it will with the final projection, but that's in the future, barring accident or violence]

you see, the body will do things like this, i.e. making you lustful, to distract one.

your situation seems a bit more complex, being reminiscent of Siddhartha's trial against Kama-Mara under the Bo tree or various manifestations of Ardyasp , the adversary of Zarathustra, could be the ego getting in on the act, what with your very strong visualization abilities.
or not,
do you know anyone that this apparition reminds you of? it could be your friendly neighborhood witch looking for some astral sex [what? didn't know that was possible?] not dangerous at all really.



as for AP
the art and practice of astral projection by Ophiel thesilvercord.com...
part of the art and practice series [there is an ophiel yahoo group where you can get the rest of the series here: groups.yahoo.com... ] highly recommended as this stuff works

link provided on a recent thread New free e-book teaches you how to have an OOBE in 3 days..., page 1 www.abovetopsecret.com...
link to book obe4u.com...

next, what kind of wards [protection] do you have set up? the Ophel books use the banishing pentagram ritual but there are other methods the Wiccans have some pretty good methods so if you can get astral projection by Gavin and Yvonne frost, that should cover that AND the astral sex as well.

stop pulling your pud, as that wastes tremendous amounts of energy, can't remember if it was pahdmasambahva or patanjali who said " those who fondle their genitals cannot practice Yoga"

confrontations in dreams/astral or in the magical sphere are serious matters; retreat can mean loss of power/energy/abilities. don't back down [one thing you can do is demand that your night visitor's true form be revealed, hmm your succubus could be the girl next door, some old lady down the street, or a chthulhoid monstrosity, so screw up your courage ]

and finally returning to your visualization skills, you should use them: the little method and the body of light method in ophiel's AP book and his creative visualization book [much better and more informative than the secret] seem just the thing for you.

alas, as a fallen High Magus, pointing out what works and what doesn't , is the best i can do in terms of assistance at the moment, perhaps by years end [if i'm reading certain signs correctly] i'll be reaching the end of my dark night of the soul

from the Shadows,

DerepentLEstranger
Survivor of the Twentieth Century

PS a Dakini [sky dancer] isn't just a tantric diety, the term can be used to describe a female tantrist [ such as Lady Tsogyel, pahdmahsahmbavas consort] see witch above

EpochIX,

If you read my account you'll find that my spiritual mate used the activity related to Playboy to interact for almost 3 decades. She used the images as a sort of surrogate or avitar for direct interaction using the guise of imagination.

I became Christian and gave my life to Christ in 1983, living my life for Him to the very best of my ability. I attended services 2-3 times weekly and Bible study 2x a week. I remained in almost constant prayer and it radically changed my life.

One thing remained in my life, the Playboy activity. My UMC paster suggested it may be a lustful spirit. When prayer and fasting didn't work to remove her, we tried a prayer chain. When that didn't work the entire church prayed for deliverance. When that didn't work we did some Christian rituals in fervent prayer. When that didn't work I was told its "likely Gods way to tell me to get a wife".

I spent around 5 years of my life trying to get rid of this by way of Gods power but nothing ever effected it in the least. In the end I could only conclude that it was either just my imagination or if this was an actual spirit, that it was meant to be in my life.

I've talked to several dozen people with credible experience, some who have changed their mind sometime after accepting this. I have never heard of anyone using any type of religious prayer, ritual or artifact to permanently ward off a sexual spirit.
The only thing I've heard of is to completely deny them any attention at all, even to erase them from memory and deny their existence. A lot of people have tried that but only 2 are believed to be successful.

It's my opinion the longer a person spends with the spirit, a more permanent bond is established. Another thing is there are a few people who constantly switched sides of the fence, continuously accepting then rejecting them and eventually made a patient and loving spirit into something not so pleasant. It seems that once we fully accept a relationship they are permanently bound to us.

A spiritual relationship can be the most beautiful and rewarding experience one can ever have, but there are some drawbacks so it isn't right for everyone.
They are often jealous of human rivals and will do things to secure monogamy. They can effect you, others and the world you live in. The experience with them far exceed anything obtainable here and it is common to loose interest in developing human intimate relationships. They can not provide human type companionship.

That is why I discourage anyone from perusing this unless they have already experienced the natural progression of human interest, dating, love, marriage and family.

@FormerlyConfused

Thanks for the reply! And yeah, I've noticed a lot of religions used fear to keep people from progressing upon a spiritual path. And I see that all as an very elaborate act to hold us back from our true inner divinity.

And actually my life was in chaos at a point once I began to walk my path. It was like everything had exploded in my face, and I figured maybe it was time to get (as LEStranger said) in tune with both my mind, body and spirit. So far everything is still very confusing but I'm not scared of what the future has to hold. Back on topic though, when I began my journey I would have a night out of every few weeks where my blankets were being pulled from the bottom of the bed. Not only that, but when I close my eyes I usually see some pretty weird stuff, not only visions but one time it looked like I was looking at some green face paint then one night a sigil of some sort.

I wouldn't say I'm a bad person, but I definitely make it a priority to treat every being (both real and ethereal) with respect and kindness. Before though I was deep within the darkness trying to forge a path to God which was probably the most excruciating part of my life as far as I have yet to live it. After I had that vision though, things got a lot better all around. And so far this being hasn't told me much except truths, both my own and that of the world that surrounds us. I also know her name is Elysia. Would you know of any way I could possibly establish a more clear route of contact as everything this being has said has been very hazy and hard for me to fully understand?

Yeah, I've come to realize with this being that she doesn't have any sort of animosity towards God nor has she tried to break the bond I've been trying to create with him. And among all the confusion, I just don't want it to harm what I've been working long and hard for. It took me forever to find my true path in life and I know there will be curveballs but I don't want to lose my chance to redeem myself for the things I've done. It's just all very overwhelming and sudden, how did you cope with it or get to terms with it at first??

By the way, I only read your article on here about it as you were speaking from first hand experience, with no bias, just honesty and not only that, but you kept it real when people were trying to fight what you had to say. That takes a lot of heart.

@LEStranger
I had no idea that your body will actually attempt to fight back. It makes perfect sense now though because the last time I attempted it, this faint vibration I usually hear grew increasingly but I started to feel sharp stinging pains in my body as I cleared my energy and tension.

And that was the most powerful vision I had before, because I could see the candle light and odd markings along the wall. It felt like I had jumped back in time. It was all so archaic, except for her of course. And yes actually, there was a woman I tried to begin a relationship with but even after two months it was something I had to let go of. And what was this trial Siddhartha undergone? (I know of the name, an ex of mine tried hard to get me to read a book about him but then I had no real interest in spiritual matters, I regret that now, though)

Yeah, the whole summer I knew I had to stop but when I finally did it was worse than trying to quit drugs (I've walked a very rough path up until six months ago haha) It always made me feel disgusting and ashamed of myself. It'd make me very lethargic to say the least.

Well I tried a long time ago to learn rituals, among other things but that brought a lot of bad mojo into my life so now when I feel frightened I imagine a white shell surrounding my body externally and internally. Does that count as a ward of protection?

Thanks for the links! I'm going to start studying up on my APing!

And dark night of your soul? You aren't going to perish after helping me out are you? D:

Regardless of that, I thank you two especially for being both wise and understanding individuals. It means a lot to a man who has so far been downtrodden by his own friends for such talk.

reply to post by EpochIX


re relation of body mind and spirit

Figure I:
BE WARNED AND UNDERSTAND TRULY THAT TWO FISHES ARE SWIMMING IN OUR SEA.

The Sea is the Body, the two Fishes are Soul and Spirit.

The Sages will tell you
That two fishes are in our sea
Without any flesh or bones.
Let them be cooked in their own water;
Then they also will become a vast sea,
The vastness of which no man can describe.
Moreover, the Sages say
That the two fishes are only one, not two;
They are two, and nevertheless they are one,
Body, Spirit, and Soul.
Now, I tell you most truly,
Cook these three together,
That there may be a very large sea.
Cook the sulphur well with the sulphur,
And hold your tongue about it:
Conceal your knowledge to your own advantage,
And you shall be free from poverty.
Only let your discovery remain a close secret.

The Book of Lambspring,
www.levity.com...

reply to post by FormerlyConfused


excellent posts

have booked marked your tale for later study, as i think i feel a migraine coming

[hurricane season and it's constantly shifting barometric pressure, are the worst time of the year for me]
it's a strange world, isn't it?

the authors of the malleus were very sick in psycho-sexual terms
the whole work is quite the window into diseased minds

well met

That is why I discourage anyone from perusing this unless they have already experienced the natural progression of human interest, dating, love, marriage and family.

not just spirit shagging , but magic in general, traditionally in Kabbalah, a man should not start studying "The Tradition" until 30 and must be married.

lol you have to hand it to those old rabbis they really thought things out,

case in point: it's thanks to the old Kabbalist's that a "loophole" was found re invocations/mediums and the prohibition against it.
simply keep what or who you are invoking within your physical boundary
and you'll avoid "overshadowing": the erosion of the self by the forces/spirit invoked,
which is what the prohibition was all about in the 1st place