Occupy Your Blog - Let it be seen

There are many of us who support the idea of people peacefully protesting the horrible corruption and greed in this country. Not all of us can sleep in the streets each night and be in support. Many of us however have blogs or websites and we can let our title show our position. I have changed the title that you see when you visit my blog (same address) so that it starts with the word Occupy in capital letters. I will not post the address here because that is not allowed by ATS nor will I give any indication of how to find it, I have readers already.

The point is that we can make a statement, the blogging, twitting, whatever arena that you are in, you can identify it's support for the complaints against the current system by having people see the word Occupy before the title. It is a minor thing to be sure; however, every statement is of value. It will also let people see what type of people support the movement. I am no communist, I have no party affiliation, I make a good salary, I have a doctorate and am fully employed, I believe in the Constitution and know politicians. I know the system is corrupt and speak out. I was in the top 5% of income earners (still would be if the ex didn't get it all) and work within the system. The system is corrupt and it is stealing from all of us. Corporate greed is rampant and politicians are it's servants, they serve up your money.

If you don't have a blog, put a sign in front of your house that says, "Occupy my home". Occupy your apartment window, it doesn't matter. The media will begin by saying how people are not supposed to put "advertisements" in every window. Every place you see that allows politicians to put up signs and posters, put up one that occupies the space. Don't just post your support on ATS, show it in your life.

I visited the Occupy L.A. movement, I went there myself to see for myself. I walked through the whole encampment is my black suit and nobody bothered me, it didn't smell and they were very orderly and friendly. I read their signs and if they are attacked, this little old man may very well stand with them. I watched County Sheriffs stand at the bus stop in front of the people and nobody attacked them, called them names or even bothered with them. The movement acts pretty well when are not hitting them with batons or mace.

I pastor a very small congregation that is just starting. I think I might just Occupy my church. I am disgusted by the media's lies about the movement. The issue is so simple, we used to say it as children, "With liberty and justice for all". Occupy that.

Why dont you put all your stuff out in the road and have a sign that says occupy my stuff?
Hey while your at it empty your bank account and throw it around town.
Hold a sign up that says occupy me.
While your at it...

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Why dont you put all your stuff out in the road and have a sign that says occupy my stuff?
Hey while your at it empty your bank account and throw it around town.
Hold a sign up that says occupy me.
While your at it...

Dear thehoneycomb,

Well, actually, I have. Why did yo assume I did not. I have two homeless people living with me. I have given all my stuff to others. Actually, I have taken care of others for years and you? Who do you help? That is right, from your response you help nobody except yourself.

Just tonight I fed 14 people and none of them were relatives. How bout you? Are you afraid to share? I am not. This is your answer. I am glad that you can almost post a coherent sentence. Now address the issues. That would require thought and expose how little you care about anyone other than yourself. Tell me how you are helping others and if all you can say is that you pay your taxes, you should consider reading "A Christmas Carol".

Why are you afraid of sharing? Why are you afraid of people saying that they don't like the system? What in post did you find so difficult and upsetting. Anyone can read what I wrote, all I said is that IF you support these people then you should show it. Why does that cause you to attack me? Do you believe that if people support them that they should keep it to themselves, are you a Nazi? Are you against people using their free speech? Tell the truth, it is obvious anyways.

While I do believe that you are on the right track with your idea, it is lacking something that is going to become increasingly important for any 'Occupy' faction or group to become successful in their endeavors.

If people want others to take them seriously, they need to 'step-up their game' so to say. It is becoming increasingly evident that many of those who participate in many of the protests lack the intelligence to put forth an argument in which is truly conducive to their ideology. I'm just going to come out and say it I guess..... TOO MUCH IGNORANCE. Some of these people haven't picked up a book, couldn't recite or even summarize the constitution other than the 1st, 2nd, and maybe the 4th amendments... ahh I might as well throw the 5th in their as well.
Well now, I've presented a little bit of the problem, but what we truly must address is the solution, because anybody can run around saying... "oh wall street is the problem, and so is government'

Solution? Well the solution is, and also is my favorite aspect of ATS.... "DENY IGNORANCE", tell these people, if they want to participate, they better be willing to fully explain why they are there. I'm not talking about testing these people, rather forcing enlightenment down their throat. How can this be accomplished? How about requesting that every sign that they hold up consists of a famous quote about government or ethics. How about a straight up, non-swaying stance on an issue, in which is backed up with evidence and facts.

This is not to say that there aren't many that have the knowledge of intellect to justify their very involvement. But rather, that there are too many who do not.

I personally supported OWS at the beginning, then I started to notice a strange change in the winds, which then became only increasingly obvious with reports of Soros and ACORN involvement in OWS's actions. Although I still defend them, it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so, every time I hear some random OWS'er present an argument in defense of their cause.

The only true, 99% that we all belong to, is one of humanity in its pursuit of happiness. That 99% crumbles faster than the cookie monsters hands on a cookie once you start to address anything else.

There are man socialist type, or progressive type ideologies that have became prevalent in the words of many OWS'ers in which I truly disagree with, but there's also many Ron Paul type Libertarians, and also Capitalists that are there as well. Which then brings back together all the possible divisions, and remains at the 99%. First a true understanding of Happiness is required to then address the problem and provide a solution. Which then is a double edged sword, for it gives way to much of a possible influence of Marxism, in which I believe was truly one of the most misguided, ill intended piece of literature and comprehension of the world that surrounds us, to date.... lets not go there lol.

Either way, I wish you good luck in your endeavors, and only hope you are successful while truly understanding the nature of human consciousness and behavioral patterns, for those whom you are against already know these things.

reply to post by AQuestion


Thats cool if you feel that way.
I really don't care. Have fun!

reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS


Dear MESSAGFROMTHESTARS,

I want to make sure I understand this. If people are dumb then their opinions don't matter. I hope I got that right because there are dumb people and I think they still matter. I do not require a baby to be eloquent, it is enough when it cries for me to care enough to see what is wrong with it.

My post did not attempt to take a position on specific points. I pointed out that people who did support it should say so. These are not complicated issues, you think things are wrong in this country or you think we are headed in the right direction. You do it based on personal gain or on what is best.

The fact is that over 90% of Americans have no confidence in our elected officials. I do not call for a position on any specific legislation, I do not believe in any politician and I have known many. The system is not fair and I know it because I have seen it up close and personal. The sheep are speaking and they know things are wrong. Why do you ask sheep to talk in legalize? Can you not hear them complaining, do you require them to understand why they are being harmed?

I shall make it simple, is the world better off? Are the majority of people doing better than they were five years ago. Blame it on the numbers of people; but, only if you can prove that we could not have fed them all and you cannot do that. Those are not the facts, we could produce more food than at any time in history and choose not to. Tell me in what psychotic version of philosophy our purpose is to cause more suffering.

If the people sleeping in tents don't have the specifics, than why don't the rest of us fill in the detail? Do you know if the stock market will crash on Friday or is your world filled with uncertainty at the hands of a few who you did not elect? You said, "

Although I still defend them, it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so, every time I hear some random OWS'er present an argument in defense of their cause.

Let us consider what you said, your opinion on the issues is weaker because some "random" people associating themselves with the Occupy movement are stupid and say dumb things.I don't base my opinions because of the majority or even the idiots, I base them on logic and observation. Someone who is completely insane can think they are tricking me and tell me that one and one equals two; but, they can still be correct. Let us address the issues and not the people, in that way we address the issues of the people.

Originally posted by thehoneycomb
reply to post by AQuestion

 

Thats cool if you feel that way.
I really don't care. Have fun!

Dear thehoneycomb,

If you really don't care, why did you comment in the first place? Was it for entertainment value? I am confused as you did not address one issue that asked you. I am old, you have to live with this world, does that not matter to you? You should care, have whatever opinion you do; but, you matter and we all do.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

 

Dear MESSAGFROMTHESTARS,

I want to make sure I understand this. If people are dumb then their opinions don't matter. I hope I got that right because there are dumb people and I think they still matter. I do not require a baby to be eloquent, it is enough when it cries for me to care enough to see what is wrong with it.

My post did not attempt to take a position on specific points. I pointed out that people who did support it should say so. These are not complicated issues, you think things are wrong in this country or you think we are headed in the right direction. You do it based on personal gain or on what is best.

The fact is that over 90% of Americans have no confidence in our elected officials. I do not call for a position on any specific legislation, I do not believe in any politician and I have known many. The system is not fair and I know it because I have seen it up close and personal. The sheep are speaking and they know things are wrong. Why do you ask sheep to talk in legalize? Can you not hear them complaining, do you require them to understand why they are being harmed?

I shall make it simple, is the world better off? Are the majority of people doing better than they were five years ago. Blame it on the numbers of people; but, only if you can prove that we could not have fed them all and you cannot do that. Those are not the facts, we could produce more food than at any time in history and choose not to. Tell me in what psychotic version of philosophy our purpose is to cause more suffering.

If the people sleeping in tents don't have the specifics, than why don't the rest of us fill in the detail? Do you know if the stock market will crash on Friday or is your world filled with uncertainty at the hands of a few who you did not elect? You said, "

Although I still defend them, it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so, every time I hear some random OWS'er present an argument in defense of their cause.

Let us consider what you said, your opinion on the issues is weaker because some "random" people associating themselves with the Occupy movement are stupid and say dumb things.I don't base my opinions because of the majority or even the idiots, I base them on logic and observation. Someone who is completely insane can think they are tricking me and tell me that one and one equals two; but, they can still be correct. Let us address the issues and not the people, in that way we address the issues of the people.

1. These are not BABIES, and even in a loose analogy, it is not conducive to your argument to equate them as such... That's all I will say about that one, to save you from further embarrassment, kinda the same way I didn't even address your 'Nazi' comment from earlier.

2. Of course you didn't outline any stance on any particular issue. All you did was tell people, if they support it, they should show it... THAT'S EXACTLY THE PROBLEM, Why in the world would you advocate that people jump on a bandwagon in which they only identify their similarities based on two things, Economy and Government. That's just about the most irrational justification one could assert while trying to rally more involvement to gain strength in numbers and presence.

The FACTS is what people should be addressing, not just some generalizing signs that say 'Boo Government! Boo Wall Street! They are all Greedy!" I mean cmon, I can't believe I'm actually having to address this notion, especially considering that you claim to have a doctorates, but this wouldn't be the first time I've debated someone with a doctorates, and dismantled their stance with intellect in 5000 words or less. At least this time I wont be threatened or told that I am ruining his/her credibility with in their respective community of colleagues... ahhh such great times at Ted. com

3. You want to talk about numbers, resources and energy as it pertains to sustaining our population and providing an environment that is conducive to equality and freedom, by all means, lets start that discussion. But first, you must address the reality of our infrastructure, resource dependencies, energy technologies, and the logistics of it all. I am well verse in exponential growth, rule of 70, better yet 69, and what the future has in store for us if we do not address these things NOW!. I don't care to hear any more subjective, whimsical conjecture before you provide any true facts about the situation. I don't care to waste my time.

4. Next I suggest dropping the egotistical notion, implied through you condescending approach to your responses with me, for you will only embarrass yourself... I called the drops in the stock market on Aug 2-3, 7-8, 16-17, as well as Nov 9th weeks in advance, if you truly want to go there, by all means, lets jump right in...

By the way... I never once mentioned that 'Dumb' people don't matter. I would appreciate that you don't draw conclusions as to what I'm saying, and only ask for further explanation, for the discussion will move faster and not be distracted from the topic at hand.

I said that 'Ignorance' is the problem... meaning, that many of those who participate and show support for OWS, don't come across as well versed about the issues at hand. They simply state that there is a problem, and leave it at that. Where is the solution in that? Where is the evidence to support such claims of unjust or immoral practices in which lead to their position. I'm not saying that none of them have this knowledge and don't express it, rather I'm implying that the majority of them do not.

I never said that they don't matter, they do matter, for they are of construct to the 99%. I was simply suggesting, that if they want to be heard as a voice of reason and of truth on issues such as economy and governance, maybe they should present some arguments in which can stand in the face of opposition. I never meant to generalize OWS as a whole, for doing so would be 'Dumb' as you might put it.

Remember what the definition of Ignorance is and the definition of Dumb is before you attempt to equate the two, especially when referencing what another person has said. We are all ignorant to many of truths and understandings that life has to offer, it's not to demonize or put another person down, but rather to inspire enlightenment, and attain that of which the light has to offer. For as many on ATS will tell you, there are those who have kept the light from the masses, it is upon us to go and figure it out for ourselves now.

Like I stated before in my first reply, remember the science of human consciousness and behavioral patterns, for they are the construct of tomorrows reality. Just by making generalizing statements about groups or even individuals doesn't address the true sociological influence or application of said statements.

learn, learn, learn.... for those who you have given control, and escaped responsibility which evolved into dependency on them, do have the knowledge to play the 'Sheeple' like pawns in a game of chess. I can not stress this enough, and it's becoming more evident every day that my stance is increasingly gaining recognition as people educate themselves. Not educating themselves for reasons of monetary gain through the advantage of knowledge, but rather for reasons of sociological gain in order to mold a future in which their children's prosperity is assured(not in a biblical sense, although St. Augustine is one of my heroes in a sense).

reply to post by AQuestion


I really like this idea. Also supporting homeless is something would really like to do, a friend sets up an open house when he gets settled, people can come for meals, warmth, showers, chats, help. Its one of those things with 4 boys currently, disabled mother, small crowded home, not able to, but i keep putting it into my dream time, pray and picture. Also local counsels, thinking of land donation/yurts.

Yet again with someone who I was worried about, discovered there is a lot of pride in some who are homeless, and they don't like handouts. Of course this depends upon health and ability, able bodiedness. For all count and deserve equality and beauty and happiness, no matter what their physical abilities, with no forcing anyone to be a slave. But, everyone who can, who is not dysfunctional and broken inside, wants to contribute, so he wanted to be useful. Cleaning peoples cars, wiping windows, finding ways to assist back with work. Which brought to mind, why not start buisnesses, ie. matching people with yard work, temp work, working on donations for trucks, start co-ops with real food, ie no wood chips, and fair trade coffee chocolate.

Even getting resources for people and volunteering, so self esteem.

The occupy movement is something that could be a really good eductational tool, and raise awareness for alot of the corruption and that people could find solutions. They're not going to. We need to.

reply to post by Unity_99


Dear Unity_99,

There is quite a lot we can do to help each other. I am working with groups that for $125 will give us a large truckload of food. The problem is often distribution and storage; but, there are many organizations out there that are actually assisting people. What I see is people not wanting to address the issues of corruption and greed within this nation. My post was simple, if you think the system is broken it is okay if you don't know all the things that need to be done to fix it, the point is to let our leadership know that nobody is happy and that all the spin doctors in the world don't put food on anyone's table except their own. Be well.

reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS


Dear MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS,

Yes, you called them ignorant not dumb. Truth is I bet both ignorant and dumb people are fed up with being taken advantage of. Every large group has people of varying degrees of knowledge and intelligence. That changes absolutely nothing. What is wrong with someone saying that they don't like the way the government is treating people. When dictators in other countries have a revolt by the people we don't require their citizens to have a leader or a consensus on which laws they will pass after they topple the government.

Everyone applauded when the newscaster in the movie "Network" yelled, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore". That is what these people are yelling. What is wrong with that, it is for those who are supposed to care for them to figure out what needs to be done and then do it. For the moment it is best that they are leaderless, it make them harder to control and co-op.

You say that you hear some of them say ignorant things. Have you gone to one of the encampments and seen and listened for yourself, I have. The media decides which one's you hear and they pick the most ignorant ones they can find. It does not matter because in the end these voices and the voices of the Tea Party will only get louder as nothing gets changed.
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This is the type of protest you get when the people that do understand the system and are supposed to represent us, simply do not listen. Playing games with logic to convince people that everything is okay or that the problems are their fault are meaningless to the people who never had any say in the first place. You want everyone to understand the finer points of the Constitution or the laws, it is not going to happen. Everyone's feelings and opinions matter, even the "ignorant".