Reports that Germany and France have begun talks to break up the Eurozone

reply to post by FermiFlux


I can't stand any old politicians, movers and shakers, etc. that keep appearing on TV like Barney Frank, etc. Can we make them young and good looking? At least they're automatically forgivable if they mess the world up.

Originally posted by eldard
reply to post by FermiFlux

 

I can't stand any old politicians, movers and shakers, etc. that keep appearing on TV like Barney Frank, etc. Can we make them young and good looking? At least they're automatically forgivable if they mess the world up.

How old are you? About 13?
Talk about an off topic post. Why don't you go back to your play pen and let people have a serious discussion? There may come a day when you wish you had paid attention because this is going to affect us all.

reply to post by starchild10


I'm only 9 years old, silly! But I've more brains than any Amerikan. Sad but true.

So who do you think will be filling in as the new leaders of Greece and Italy?

As far as I can see the front runner for Greece is Lucas Padademos. Ex fed banker, European central banker and trilateral commission member.

Heading up the interim government for Italy? Mario Monti. European Commision, Trilateral Comission member and Bilderburger.

At least this is what I could find on short notice.

I mean c'mon, this is just a game. Looks like it may soon be check mate. Then they will have bitten off way more than they can chew. Bring it I say.

You should read this:

www.spectator.co.uk...

The Old Opera House in Frankfurt — once Germany’s most beautiful postwar ruin and now its most stunning recreation — has become a symbol of European rebirth. And it was here, last month, that Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy met the EU’s bureaucratic elite in what would, in another era, be described as a putsch. They had grown tired of eurozone summits, with leaders flying here and there but getting nowhere. A smaller group needed to be formed, who would wield power firmly but informally. That evening, as they gathered to hear Claudio Abbado conduct the Mozart Orchestra of Bologna, a new EU hit squad was born.

So the Frankfurt Group is, in effect, a merger between the EU hierarchy and German financial power: a kind of Brussels on the Rhine. It would not have been possible in the pre-crisis era when there were qualms about German might. Now the Germans are no longer apologetic. ‘The question of who could accept a German model has been settled by the market,’ said a German government spokesman recently. ‘We are really only talking about the details and the extent of the measures, not about their nature.’ This new, pugilistic tone is felt everywhere. Anonymous EU officials are now being quoted as saying things like: ‘Yes, wake up and smell the coffee. This is what you all signed up for.’

Hmmm, I just made the first comment in a new thread that just popped up about Lucas Padademos, I made a mistake and mixed up Greece with Italy, but now the thread has dissapeared and my subscribed threads says nothing.

reply to post by wlasikiewicz


Brown sold UK GOLD for euro's...where does that leave the UK.

Originally posted by dontlaughthink
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Brown sold UK GOLD for euro's...where does that leave the UK.

Skint as we have been on many an occasion tho we have been known over the many centuries to go off and steal other peoples gold to make up for the shortfall.. lets hope those in charge have a slightly better plan this time around.

Just boot the troubled countries out after you've taken whatever resources you can as payback for the excisting loans. I dont wanna go back to the stone age with the Finnish mark.

No matter the spins, the writing is already clear on the wall - End EU now or only more will suffer.

The germans and the french cannot continue to sacrifice their pension funds and revenues to continually prop up the poorer nations, more so when corruption is a way of life there amongst the leaders. Booting current leaders is only a musical chairs game.

Already, the german people, as well as every EU sovereign people in Italy, Greece, Spain, Ireland, Portugal, etc are fed up with their leaders corruption and inept handling of economies. Worse when the loans were blame on social expenditure, which is an outright lie. The money only went into corrupted pockets and economic inept cronies.

Even worse when such angers and frustrations come to blows, not only at their own leaders, but to each other. Wars happen under lesser causes than what is imploding in EU today. AND it is absolutely unfair for the common masses to pay for the crimes of their stupid leaders.

What each nation, espacially Germany and France, MUST DO NOW is to prepare for a post EU climate, and focus on the development of their People with jobs, opportunities, protection and growth.

Europe still has resources and markets, with needs to be met not only by europeans, but the world as well. There will be revenues still, and needs rational spending, not suicidal austerity drives.

Asking for China to help is to akin to inviting a pack of ravenous wolves to dinner, with EU nations being the meal.

Furthermore, China's wealth is meant for its own People - our fellow human brothers and sisters there. They may have $3 trillion, but with 1.3 billion people to take off, it only amounts to around $2,000 per person. That's not even enough to fund a year's education, let alone the mandatory 12 years to produce a literate citizen to contribute to society, and let alone fund for other critical social expenditure such as basic healthcare and infrastructure.

Let the bankers and ECB collapse. Let the loans go into peaceful legal liquidation process. They must pay for their mistakes, and not the masses.

Only then can better and more ethical enterprises/initiative arise. There can still be an EU, but it will be an informal talkshop instead with no power to dictate but only authority to discuss, debate and find solutions based upon common grounds to improve and evolutionise the european societies.

The LAST thing EU nations need now is Loans.

There must not be any more loans from USA, China, India, etc, etc. It will only be a blank cheque for the irresponsible leaders to corruptive spend, either for their own pockets or to remain in power, resutling in the masses to pay for them.

WHAT EU nations need now are INVESTMENTS.

As there are still resources, time honoured method of investment is the ONLY way for growth. Individual states in EU will have to seek for global investments to tap their resources. Weath did not disappear into thin air, it is only hoarded up, and there are plenty of wealthy folks in the world with $100,000 to spare, not for casino stock market gambling anymore, but on real tangibles of growth such resources and labour.

$100k each may seem small, but extrapoliate amongst thousands of industries in EU and it will be exponentially worth trillions in time to come.

There is no harm in letting corporations fall. It is only Capitalism at work. There is no such thing as 'too big to fail', but only 'too big to be saved'. Let it become equities to be bought by foreign investments, even China. There is no fear of losing out :-

a) If China buys it up and set up corporation in European states, it would mean more employment for the People. And as long as China firms work along protected european manufacturing standards and wages, no one loses. These firms will still have to sell its european made products to world to make a profit, and certainly not only to current low wage China if it is to survive as a company, and compete with others as well.

b) If China decides only to buy up only the brand but manufacture in poor quality China, it will lose out, just as mercedez found out over the years with its numerous defective parts made in Harbin,China, and lost market share to other high quality made in europe cars.

c) If China brings in their own slave labour force to work in Europe, this becomes an immigration issue which no sovereign national worker will accept, and thus it cannot and must not be allowed to happen. Save europe and profit, not sell out europe.

When money is circulated this way, fair wages earned, taxes to help social expenditure, european states will rise again one day, with new european entreprenuers retaking back their nation if they want, but unlikely so, instead will create new industries to meet mankind's needs and progresses