Whistleblowers of 911.

Originally posted by Cassius666
Can we keep this on topic? This was supposed to just be a list. Dont feed the trolls. It would be nice if the admins would start deleting some posts here.

I agree. I will therefore ask, just WHAT do you think a "whistleblower" actually is? My definition of a whistleblower is someone who has intimate details of a concealed operation and who is revealing its details in order to expose it to the public. Case in point; the whistleblower who used the code name "Deep Throat" (who later turned out to be the #2 man in the FBI) to reveal details of the Watergate break-in. He names names and gave intimate details that only an insider would know, plus, he knew details that only the FBI knew. THAT is a whistleblower.

From the almost worthless information the truthers are putting out, it's clear this is not what YOU think a whistleblower is.

reply to post by GoodOlDave
Dave, don't you care about my feelings? Those are hurtful things to say. Please try to leave me with at least a shred of dignity. It' all stems from my allergic reaction to BS. Don't you think it odd that the suicide rate among those listed is astronomical, compared to the general population?

Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by GoodOlDave

 

Dave, don't you care about my feelings? Those are hurtful things to say. Please try to leave me with at least a shred of dignity. It' all stems from my allergic reaction to BS. Don't you think it odd that the suicide rate among those listed is astronomical, compared to the general population?

Don't YOU think it's odd that you have to make up paranoid crap off the top of your head like this to avoid having to admit you're wrong? Lee Hamilton, Thomas Keane, Sybel Edmunds, and hordes of other people the truthers are claiming are "suidice-prone whistleblowers" are very much alive, as are Alex Jones, Dylan Avery, and the rest of the characters accusing the gov't of sinister secret agents nonstop. If this were a real dictatorship (I.E North Korea) all of these people would have disappreared immediately.

This isn't "something doesn't add up" paranoia. This is "secret government agents are planting video cameras in your underwear drawer" paranoia.

Dave, you know what happens when you get all flustered. Take a deep breath now, and relax. There are quite a few people who've gone on the record to speak out against the OS, and all I'm asking is for you to tell us how ALL of them, dead or alive, could be so wrong?

reply to post by dillweed

Don't you think it odd that the suicide rate among those listed is astronomical, compared to the general population?

Can you prove that statistically? No? Thought not. Hyperbole does not equal fact.

reply to post by hooper
Boy, you're sharp as a tack today Hoop. Guess I need to be more prepared when I go up against you and all your fancy 'math' skills. My point was only that suicide is a relatively rare phenomenon in todays society.

Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by hooper

 

Boy, you're sharp as a tack today Hoop. Guess I need to be more prepared when I go up against you and all your fancy 'math' skills. My point was only that suicide is a relatively rare phenomenon in todays society.

Rare? Based on what? For 2003 the suicide rate for women in the US was 17.6 per 100,000. Thats about 26000 incidents. Doesn't sound rare to me. Shark attacks? Rare. Lightning strikes? Rare.
Face it, you cobbled together a list of persons with, at best, a tenuous connection to 9/11 and are trying desperately to paint a picture of nefarious undertakings; feigning suprise that handful of people passed away over the last 10 years. Pretty pathetic, really.

reply to post by hooper
Well, if it's so gd pathetic, what's got you so up in arms? You guys are running around all day putting out fires, shouldn't that tell you something? Facts, are stubborn things.

reply to post by dillweed

Facts, are stubborn things

What's that got to do with this stuff? Marvin Bush's babysitter? C'mon, really.

Besides, this is one of my favorite hobbies and its getting too cold to fish.

Originally posted by dillweed
reply to post by hooper

 

Well, if it's so gd pathetic, what's got you so up in arms? You guys are running around all day putting out fires, shouldn't that tell you something? Facts, are stubborn things.

Indeed they are. Which goes some way to showing why 9/11 "Truth" is getting absolutely nowhere. A huge dearth of actual facts.

Originally posted by TrickoftheShade

Which goes some way to showing why 9/11 "Truth" is getting absolutely nowhere.

Aren't you happy of that?

Originally posted by dillweed
There are quite a few people who've gone on the record to speak out against the OS, and all I'm asking is for you to tell us how ALL of them, dead or alive, could be so wrong?

Give me an example of this, please, because I need to know if you're referring to cases where your whistleblowers are actually reporting a coverup of gross incompetence and you're quoting them out of context (I.E. Sybel Edmonds claim she was ordered to bungle document translation so her boss could request a larger personnel budget) , or whether you're really lying through your teeth and misrepresenting what they're really saying (I.E. Norm Mineta's "does the order still stand" comment being perverted into "stand down order") . While you're at it, please give me an example of these "large numbers of whistleblowers that committed suicide."

I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm saying you truthers are wrong. You can't even quote ME honestly so it's little wonder that you can't quote them honestly.

Dave, you know what happens when you get all flustered. Take a deep breath now, and relax.

This, coming from someone insisting in every other post that "sooner or later I'm going to get what's coming to me". It's your name that's destined to be in the news someday, not mine.

Originally posted by ATH911

Aren't you happy of that?

Okay, I'll try to help you out here. "Aren't you happy of that" doesn't make sense. I can see what you mean, but it isn't strictly correct.

You can be happy due to something, or because of something, but you can't be happy "of" something. If you mean to ask - as I think you do - if I'm made happy by the lack of progress for the Truth Movement, then the answer is a resounding yes.

Originally posted by zatara
reply to post by Cassius666

 

I have found a list of witnesses who convieniantly died

The case of the woman who announced in a telphone interview that nobody should worry that she would commit suicide is for me the most suspicious one.....she was found hanging in her house...it was ruled suicide. Her name was Deborah Palfrey

Here is the list and I hope that there is a God who will judge the murderers of all these people and the countless other victims in the wars that followed after 911.

All these people are now dead, they were connected to 9/11 or were witnesses and had opinions of 9/11 which differ from the official version. Who's bumping these people off ? Why cover up the truth ?

LIST SO FAR.....

Barry Jennings (Eyewitness to explosions and bodies inside WTC7) -- Undisclosed causes

Kenneth Johannemann (Eyewitness to explosions inside WTC, Saw no airplanes hit but just saw "floors blow up") -- Gunshot to the head, ruled a suicide

Beverly Eckert (Wife of 9/11 WTC Victim, Earwitness to WTC Explosion, Refused hush money) -- Airplane crash

Prasanna Kalahasthi (Wife of 9/11 "Flight 11 Passenger") -- Suicide by hanging

David Graham (Dentist who saw three of the 9/11 Hijackers with Pakistani businessman in Shreveport, Louisiana) -- Murdered (Poisoned with anti-freeze)

Paul Smith (Pilot of WABC7's 9/11 "International Shot" Chopper) -- Car accident

Michael H. Doran (9/11 Victims Lawyer) -- Airplane crash

Bertha Champagne (Longtime babysitter for 911 Perp Marvin Bush's family) -- Crushed by a car

Christopher Landis (Former Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol for the Virginia Department of Transportation, Interviewed by makers of "The Pentacon", Gave makers of "The Pentacon" a photo collection, Involved in the response to the Pentagon attack) -- Suicide

John P. O'Neill (FBI Counter-terrorism expert, Obsessed with catching Osama Bin Laden, Suspected Clinton/Bush/FBI complicity in the cover-up and protection of Bin Laden) -- Died in the WTC on 9/11

Deborah Palfrey (Ran an escort service that had 911 Perps on it's list) -- Suicide by hanging

David Wherley (US General who ordered fighter jets to scramble on 9/11) -- Train crash

Un-named Ticket Agent (Boston Logan Ticket Agent who checked Atta and Alomari) -- Suicide

Suzanne Jovin (Yale Student who had a thesis about Osama Bin Laden, Her thesis adviser was an intelligence operative) -- Murdered (Killer unknown)

Perry Kucinich (Brother of Congressman who advocated new 9/11 investigation) -- Fell down

Salvatore Princiotta (9/11 FDNY Firefighter from Ladder 9) -- Murdered

Ezra Harel (Chairman of the Israeli Company That Handled Security For All 9/11 Airports) -- Heart attack

Bruce Ivins (Patsy in the 9/11-linked "Anthrax" Case) -- Drug overdose

Thats more like it. Everybody else who wants to derail the thread, Id politely ask you to not post here anymore. There are many more topics which encourage discussion, not to mention that you can make your own thread. If you whish to discuss any specific info you find on this thread, please open up a seperate thread for that. This thread was meant as a list for a quick overview, not for discussion.

Also keep in mind that a whitness to an event is not a whistleblower. The distinction is not for everyone easy to make I know, put anybody in whom you think qualifies. They can be discussed in seperate threads.

Originally posted by Cassius666
I have found a list of witnesses who convieniantly died

The case of the woman who announced in a telphone interview that nobody should worry that she would commit suicide is for me the most suspicious one.....she was found hanging in her house...it was ruled suicide. Her name was Deborah Palfrey

What cracks me up is that according to Alex Jones...a name that makes anyone of sound mind want to throw this whole thread into the trash right there...Deborah Palfrey (A.K.A. the "DC Madam") *may* have heard information from her call girls that secret government agents *might* have told them about a secret 9/11 plot while they were providing horizontal refreshment. This same accusation is coming from the same truthers who insist that gov't insiders would be "too scared to ever come forward and spill the beans about the 9/11 plot".

This conspiracy mongoring has govne way, way past "paranoid" and is quickly approaching "surreal".

Thats more like it. Everybody else who wants to derail the thread, Id politely ask you to not post here anymore. There are many more topics which encourage discussion, not to mention that you can make your own thread. If you whish to discuss any specific info you find on this thread, please open up a seperate thread for that. This thread was meant as a list for a quick overview, not for discussion.

Tough cookies for you. The moment you conspiracy people were sleazy enough to insinuate Barry Jenning's death was "mysterious", it's the moment all bets were off. This whole "mysterious death" rumor was invented by Dylan Avery who inquired with the family on this, and they told him to get lost because they knew he and the rest of you conspiracy people were only going to use it for your sick little conspiracy mongoring games. Even now, that douchebag Avery is insinuating the family doesn't want to talk because "they're too scared to talk".

Absolutely self serving and disgusting.

I have found a list of witnesses who convieniantly died

The case of the woman who announced in a telphone interview that nobody should worry that she would commit suicide is for me the most suspicious one.....she was found hanging in her house...it was ruled suicide. Her name was Deborah Palfrey

Here is the list and I hope that there is a God who will judge the murderers of all these people and the countless other victims in the wars that followed after 911.

All these people are now dead, they were connected to 9/11 or were witnesses and had opinions of 9/11 which differ from the official version. Who's bumping these people off ? Why cover up the truth ?

LIST SO FAR.....

Barry Jennings (Eyewitness to explosions and bodies inside WTC7) -- Undisclosed causes

Kenneth Johannemann (Eyewitness to explosions inside WTC, Saw no airplanes hit but just saw "floors blow up") -- Gunshot to the head, ruled a suicide

Beverly Eckert (Wife of 9/11 WTC Victim, Earwitness to WTC Explosion, Refused hush money) -- Airplane crash

Prasanna Kalahasthi (Wife of 9/11 "Flight 11 Passenger") -- Suicide by hanging

David Graham (Dentist who saw three of the 9/11 Hijackers with Pakistani businessman in Shreveport, Louisiana) -- Murdered (Poisoned with anti-freeze)

Paul Smith (Pilot of WABC7's 9/11 "International Shot" Chopper) -- Car accident

Michael H. Doran (9/11 Victims Lawyer) -- Airplane crash

Bertha Champagne (Longtime babysitter for 911 Perp Marvin Bush's family) -- Crushed by a car

Christopher Landis (Former Operations Manager for Safety Service Patrol for the Virginia Department of Transportation, Interviewed by makers of "The Pentacon", Gave makers of "The Pentacon" a photo collection, Involved in the response to the Pentagon attack) -- Suicide

John P. O'Neill (FBI Counter-terrorism expert, Obsessed with catching Osama Bin Laden, Suspected Clinton/Bush/FBI complicity in the cover-up and protection of Bin Laden) -- Died in the WTC on 9/11

Deborah Palfrey (Ran an escort service that had 911 Perps on it's list) -- Suicide by hanging

David Wherley (US General who ordered fighter jets to scramble on 9/11) -- Train crash

Un-named Ticket Agent (Boston Logan Ticket Agent who checked Atta and Alomari) -- Suicide

Suzanne Jovin (Yale Student who had a thesis about Osama Bin Laden, Her thesis adviser was an intelligence operative) -- Murdered (Killer unknown)

Perry Kucinich (Brother of Congressman who advocated new 9/11 investigation) -- Fell down

Salvatore Princiotta (9/11 FDNY Firefighter from Ladder 9) -- Murdered

Ezra Harel (Chairman of the Israeli Company That Handled Security For All 9/11 Airports) -- Heart attack

Bruce Ivins (Patsy in the 9/11-linked "Anthrax" Case) -- Drug overdose

Here is a list somebody posted. Any names to add? Remember that whitnesses are not necessarily whistlesblowers.

Just Lie after Lie. Just Lies.

reply to post by Cassius666



Witnesses are potential whisleblowers and to be sure that will never happen there are solutions for people that are 'licenced' to kill.

reply to post by GoodOlDave


I posted several names for you Dave.... but you go ahead and keep ignoring them. After all, you wouldnt want to let facts get in the way of your argument

Originally posted by hooper
reply to post by MrWendal

 

google 9/11 whistleblowers and you will find well over a million results.

Actually, if you Google "9/11 whistleblowers" you get 81,200 results.

When you Google 9/11 whistleblowers you're including all results that include 9, /, 9/11, whistleblowers, etc.

Its called Boolean Language. When you enclose a phrase you limit the search to just the string as it is enclosed, if you don't enclose the phrase then you are searching for all the elements in the string, in any order, and in any amount. Hence the million hits.

In fact, doing an advance search and elminating the terms infowars, prisonplanet, abovetopsecret and 9/11research and the results are down to 60,000.

Interesting.

What I find interesting...and typical... is how you zero in on one thing you can dispute while ignoring the meat and potatoes of the subject. Instead of disputing any of the names of the whistleblowers I listed or disputing what they have said.. you would rather dispute how many results you got on a search?

Please, how about you dispute the testimony of Sibel Edmonds. I would love to see you try. After all the topic here is about whistleblowers and not search results is it not?