Adolph Hitler was once a Freemason

Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
There was also a strong Masonic tradition in the 19th century Prussian Lodge, which was a nationalistic one. It would have been political suicide for Adolf Hitler to oppose all Freemasonry.

Yet he did, and did so openly and utterly.

Your rebuttal would be that he opposed Freemasony because he was a tyrant and Freemasonry is loved by all except tyrants, but this is pure hubris. He opposed the Masonic lodges that allowed Jews to rise in its ranks.

His objections were toward the humanistic Masonic lodges that allowed Jews to join, and to eventually infiltrate its ranks.

Jews have been admitted to Freemasonry since 1724. This is why the religious requirement was changed from belief in the "Most Holy Trinity" to belief in a Supreme Being.

Jews also founded the Scottish Rite, but have Jews been admitted into the Prussian Lodge since 1724?

Hermann Goering once considered joining, but had cold feet.

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Then I guess he grew impatient from waiting.

Helena Blavatsky was named an honorary Freemason even though she was a woman.

Blavatsky was a member of an irregular lodge that admitted both men and women. She was not recognized as anything by orthodox Freemasonry.

That an American Rite, thus spuriously organized, declines to acknowledge the Patent of an English Sovereign Sanctuary, duly recognized by the Grand Orient of France, does not at all invalidate my claim to Masonic honours. As well might Protestants refuse to call the Dominicans Christians, because they—the Protestants—broke away from the Catholic Church and set up for themselves, as for A. and A. Masons of America to deny the validity of a Patent from an English A. and P. Rite body. Though I have nothing to do with American modern Masonry, and do not expect to have, yet, feeling highly honoured by the distinction conferred upon me by Brother Yarker, I mean to stand for my chartered rights, and to recognize no other authority than that of the high Masons of England, who have been pleased to send me this unsolicited and unexpected testimonial of their approval of my humble labours.

Of a piece with the above is the ignorant rudeness of certain critics who pronounce Cagliostro an "impostor" and his desire of engrafting Eastern Philosophy upon Western Masonry "charlatanism." Without such a union Western Masonry is a corpse without a soul. As Yarker observes, in his Notes on the Mysteries of Antiquity:

As the Masonic fraternity is now governed, the Craft is becoming a storehouse of paltry Masonic emperors and other charlatans, who swindle their brothers, and feather their nests out of the aristocratic pretensions which they have tacked on to our institutions—ad captandum vulgus.

www.blavatsky.net...

Albert Pike is said to have been a member of the Theosophical Society.

Pike was a vocal critic of the Theosophical Society, and in his book "Esoterika" described Blavatsky as a fraud.

Could you quote where it says that?

Foster Bailey is known to have been both a 32 Mason and a member of the Theosophical Society at the turn of the 20th century, when the Prussian Lodge was still in operation.

Prussian Lodges are still in operation today. That has nothing to do with the Theosophical Society or Foster Bailey, who was a member of a Lodge in New York.

I didn't say that Bailey was a member of the Prussian Lodge, rather that he lived at a time when the Prussian Lodge was nationalistic.

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
Helena Blavatsky was named an honorary Freemason even though she was a woman. Albert Pike is said to have been a member of the Theosophical Society. Foster Bailey is known to have been both a 32 Mason and a member of the Theosophical Society at the turn of the 20th century, when the Prussian Lodge was still in operation.

She was never named an honorary member of any regular or recognized Lodge.

There are a lot of lies that say Pike was or said a great many things that are not true.

I have no idea about Foster so I cannot say for sure whether he was or was not.

We are all going to acknowledge that Hitler persecuted over 80,000 (Grand Lodge of Scotland says somewhere between 80k-200k) Freemasons during WWII right? he put them into concentration camps and forced them to wear inverted red triangles. He believed that the Freemasons had succumbed to the jews, as written in Mein Kampf.

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Yeah, some people want to make Freemasonry and the Theosophical Society into boogey men. I hear a lot of unverifiable claims. I have done extensive research into both Freemasonry and the Theosophical Society and most of the claims that I hear people level against these two groups have never been confirmed. They are nothing more than accusations.

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I knew we were on the same track in terms of theory in a philosophical fourm, it's like i said we have different meanings of certin words for instance socialism/communism/fascism i do indeed think were satanic in the ways countries implemented them so i just consider them to be of satanic origin and not the proper mechanism to run a country by, so it is basically what i said in that we agree on the same theology on this maner we just have different meanings of words.

In short in terms at looking at words with subjective different meanings it would be like you saying a swastika in the indian religions means a sacred symbol of good luck and me saying the swastika is a evil symbol of Hitler and Nazi Germany and technically we would both be right.

But in terms of how the world should be run in a basic dichotomy on theology to this point we both are in agreement.

Originally posted by czqjtohypmdu
Your rebuttal would be that he opposed Freemasony because he was a tyrant and Freemasonry is loved by all except tyrants, but this is pure hubris. He opposed the Masonic lodges that allowed Jews to rise in its ranks.

That is not my rebuttal. It's not that Freemasonry allowed Jews as members, but rather that Freemasonry is based on the symbolism of the Old Testament and the Kabalah. Therefore, the Nazis were opposed to Freemasonry as a system, regardless of whether any individual lodges actually had Jewish members.

Jews also founded the Scottish Rite, but have Jews been admitted into the Prussian Lodge since 1724?

The Scottish Rite was founded by eleven Masons in Charleston, SC in 1801, five of which happened to be Jewish. You say the "Prussian Lodge", but there were actually many Prussian lodges working in several different rites.

That an American Rite, thus spuriously organized, declines to acknowledge the Patent of an English Sovereign Sanctuary, duly recognized by the Grand Orient of France, does not at all invalidate my claim to Masonic honours.

Blavatsky is here simply blowing smoke (which was a habit of hers). Neither the English Sovereign Sanctuary nor the Grand Orient of France were legitimate Masonic organizations.

Could you quote where it says that?

Don't have the book in front of me, but you can find it in a large public library, or purchase it online. Pike's observations were, of course, not unique.

I didn't say that Bailey was a member of the Prussian Lodge, rather that he lived at a time when the Prussian Lodge was nationalistic.

Then I'm not sure why he is relevant to your argument. He was for a time a member of the TS, but so were a lot of other people.

Have you any documented sources on this?

Masons are among the most vile when it comes to protecting their empire.

If material exposing masonry comes from anti-masons, the masons will of course deny it and declare it unreliable.
Which sorta proves that masons are more than confident that masons will not reveal anything about masonry or other masons ( what do they "have" on each other? ) OR what "benefits" do masons have to fear losing if they snitch on the empire ????

Originally posted by partycrasher
Masons are among the most vile when it comes to protecting their empire.

Uh oh. Standby for the 'filthy rich Mason' meme brought to you by the letters "W", "T" and "F".

Originally posted by partycrasher
If material exposing masonry comes from anti-masons, the masons will of course deny it and declare it unreliable.

Because (oddly enough) it IS unreliable far more often than it's reliable. However, you're free to believe whatever you care to. Just recognise that belief ≠ truth.

Originally posted by partycrasher
Which sorta proves that masons are more than confident that masons will not reveal anything about masonry or other masons ( what do they "have" on each other? ) OR what "benefits" do masons have to fear losing if they snitch on the empire ????

Goodness! It isn't like Masonic ritual has been available to non-Masons for oh....about a quarter millennium or anything. That sure is one well-held 'secret' alright!

Same old mason song and dance well rehearsed answers....

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Same old tired Anti-Masonic rhetoric of well rehearsed and always regurgitated lies and half-truths .

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So in a long drawn out accusation, what you're really saying is, "No, I have no proof".

Or we're confident that our Fraternity is a good one as we see it and we see you for the snake in the grass that you are.

To those who dare face the cold, hard truth, it is clear what Hitler was.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

Questions?

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alright, so you hate masons. Got it. Now, are you going to be providing any proof that Hitler was a mason, or is this just another fantasy you cooked up?

inquiring minds want to know. ( the stupid folk already believe you)

i dont hate the masons..... i hate everybody....in the competitive, capitalistic, profiteering, self serving, survivalistic use of the word hate..... I DO NOT HATE THE JEWS...but they are not "everybody"

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Thomas Paine, a great Freemason.

Adolph Hitler, NOT a Freemason.

Edit to add: There is no definitive proof that Thomas Paine was a Freemason (ie Lodge name and number, and dates that he was I,P and R), but he did author the essay titled ""Origin of Free-Masonry." My mistake.

The swastika is one of the oldest ideograms in the world. It's very difficult to pin it down, in fact, since it can be found from India, to China, to Greece, to Phoenicia, and even on pre-Sumerian clay objects in Mesopotamia.

I would make an educated guess, based on Hitler and Himmler's ideology, that the use of it as the Hakenkreuz was due to its symbolism of power and return - in other words Germany's return to power.

In conclusion, you cannot use it to link Hitler to Freemasonry.

Freemasons quit using a sign that was eerily similar to the raised-arms "Sieg Heil" after WWII (for obvious reasons). It may be that Hitler borrowed the sign from Freemasonry.

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Freemasons quit using a sign that was eerily similar to the raised-arms "Sieg Heil" after WWII (for obvious reasons). It may be that Hitler borrowed the sign from Freemasonry.

It's more likely that he borrowed it from D'Annunzio. As Albert Boime points out, the so-called Roman salute can be seen in The Oath of the Horatii. The Bellamy salute was very similar, too. Although Hitler himself claimed to have adopted it from the Diet of Worms.