Why are evolutionists convinced we are not created?

here's an interview i did


The point is we could be created, and this has been overseen by science...



Creation


If we were created, then we are a digital being, on a digital planet and in a digital universe!


Does evolution exists?


It has to; if we are digital then who ever created the universe would have evolved.


Is it possible we have evolved?


It is more likely that we were created, than we evolved. I base this answer not through religious belief but on a mathematical basis. Based on
probability, it is much more likely than we were created, instead of evolved. However it is possible that we have evolved.


Are you saying we were created?


I am saying despite what a scientist may tell you, it is more likely that we were created and not just a little bit more likely either.


If were not digital, could we have still been created?


The short answer is No, the long answer is No as well. If we assume we are created then we are definitely a digital being. If we are not digital then there is no creator.


But I definitely feel non digital!


It is very hard to believe that we are digital, everything we experience feels very real to us. But it is possible for our universe to be digital. It is possible for us to create our own digital planet through the means of mathematics using a computer; it is also possible for us to create a digital being through the means of mathematics using a computer. So a possible theory is that if we can create digital life, then we could be digital life ourselves.


But we don’t have the technology to create intelligent digital life do we?



If someone were to fund a project to create intelligent digital life, within a few years we could have created a digital person that was as intelligent as a 5 year old child. While 5 year olds may not be deemed intelligent it is certainly possible for us to create a digital person through complex mathematics that we would deem intelligent!


So if we were created, why were we created?


A religious person may say that God created us out of the goodness of his heart; some may say that this is a giant experiment. However if the universe is digital it must serve a purpose and to understand the universe’s purpose takes a lot of theorizing.


So can you name a possible reason for our existence?


It’s hard to know where to start, but one thing we know is that if we were created then the creator would have spent many hours creating us. If we are digital then in order to create a particular plant for example, it would take a mathematician many hours to design, it would also need to be programmed
to only grow under certain circumstances. In our world, time more often than not cost’s money. So perhaps this computer was built in order to make the creator money!


How could the creator make money from us?


One can only theorize about this subject, but one can look at what we suspect. In religion it is common to pray to a God silently using your own thought. If the creator can hear your mind voice then it is possible for the creator to hear what you say out loud. It is also possible for the creator to be able to see what you are seeing as well, as long as we assume we are digital. If the creator’s being was willing to watch our being for entertainment purpose, then the creator could make money from us. The entertainment theory is the only way that the creator can make money from us as a digital being.


Why would the creator, create religion?


This could back up a religious person’s belief that God does something out of the goodness of his heart. History’s books aren’t very detailed about the trials and tribulations of the average person before religion. But after religion was introduced people knew the difference between wrong and right and this improved society. It’s hard to say exactly why the creator, created religion. However we as a being have benefited more from religion than anything else throughout our species history.


It has been proven though that the creator lied! Why?


The creator had a job to do, and that was to create a religion. If we look at the best way of getting a message through to somebody in many cases it would be more affective to lie than to tell the truth. Our species lie’s to one another regularly in order to make a point. If the creator, created our planets main religions then the creator’s method worked very well. In the 21st Century there are more religious believers than there were 2000 years ago.

reply to post by piles


Like i said, i can see why you would come across these ideas. But they are not logical conclusions. Since you have no evidence, then that would be the most important part of the argument.

Your arguments are simply unconvincing, simple as that.

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by piles

 

so you can't accept that its possible we are digital? the reason i need to know, is because to calculate your odds in which case it would be different..to mine, because in my odds i accepted the fact that its possible we are a 'digital being', and if you accept that fact (which is a fact) its more likely that we are digital..

No matter what way i put it in you will just repeat yourself. So, whats the point?

i can't tell from your posts what you accept, what you don't accept. therefore without writing an essay (which i don't want to do) I'm not really sure where to start with you..

i've asked a couple of questions but you gave a very short answer, which i can only assume what you meant, which means working on that assumption i would need to write a lot in order to cover your concerns.

can you just answer me this

do you accept that the only way we could be created is if we are digital?

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by piles

 

Like i said, i can see why you would come across these ideas. But they are not logical conclusions. Since you have no evidence, then that would be the most important part of the argument.

Your arguments are simply unconvincing, simple as that.

i think this is the problem, from what i've typed it hasn't made you think about it at all, therefore you havn't even figured in your mind that the only way this universe could have been created is that the universe is a computer.. because believe me it really is the only way and it really doesn't take someone long (in thought) to work that out, Theres just no other way we could have been created.

I go back to the point i was making, i feel as if science should have recognised that if we were created we are digital, and therefore in order to prove we are not digital should have looked into things like digital physics more, and attempted to find ways which could prove we are non digital. rather than looked at entitys which could possibly be digital. and that this is the real way for science to prove if we really did evolve, rather than look at adaption, fossils, dna etc, which are all possible through evolution and all possible if we are a digital entity.

Of course from the evolution theory, in order ot determine this is true the only way to define an increase in our intelligence is by finding a way of accurately measuring our intelligence, but we havn't managed to find a way of doing that.

I wish someone would get through to scienctists that this is the only way to settle this debate.. while tv shows tell us all these 'facts' about the universe, they have disregarded so much evidence against in order ot get to their conclusion.

I think due to only recently having the start of technology that could perhaps create digital life ourself, it was hard to believe that we could be digital, because we have no real understanding of what we can achieve.

reply to post by TsukiLunar


First of I died and met him but that aside I believed before then, I was brought up catholic and I believed in God for as long as I can remember. God has always been in me and hence I in Him. His Holy Spirit has descended upon me several times in the last couple years. This is unmistakeable when it happens to an individual , the sensation of pure love and warmth into your very soul .

Besides hitting the lottery the odds are not ten to the five hundred power that is a ten with five hundred zeros after it. I don't ask you to believe me, google it the findings are what they are.

reply to post by piles


You do realize what they call digital today we called binary math , just ones and zeros.

Originally posted by Noey777
reply to post by piles

 

You do realize what they call digital today we called binary math , just ones and zeros.

i do, however its unlikely that if we are digital it would be ones and zeros as we know it, the creator wouldn't be our species either, the creator would be an alien being, and to create a being as intelligent as us would most certainly at least be of slighlty higher intelligence.. it would be more likely that the creator would be a sexual, and that the creator had no sun light, that the creators planet was warm and the temperature was fairly consistent, that if the creator looked up into the nightsky there would be no stars, however to understand that you have to do quite a bit of thinking outside of the box...

reply to post by TinkerHaus
Unfortunately, the domesticated dog does not prove evolution...in fact if anything it proves just the opposite. A dog is still a dog...it hasn't turned into a cat, rat or penguin. By selective breeding, the physical attributes have changed, but the dog is still a dog and not a new species.

Originally posted by piles
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likewise

i understood exactly what you are saying, and know for a fact that

if we were created then we are digital

there is simply no other way we could have been created, end of...

i read what you wrote, but I would really have to write about 20,000 words to explain it all to you, and I'm not prepared too.. which again is my fault for explaining this badly to you... however from the angle you looked at lets say consiousness, its perfectly possible to create consiousness using a computer, its a question of maths...

if you thought about it yourself you could work that out for yourself, and while i could type 20,000 words to get you to understand, i really canny be bothered i'm afraid..

And this is where your thread fails. You post a topic, with a deceptive name intentionally singling out evolutionary science, then people discuss and question it and you refuse to back up any of your false statements or offer any reasonable explanations other than "it's perfectly possible". You don't need 20,000 words to post the math equation you used to calculate those "odds". You need to look up the word "fact". LOL at your math that doesn't lie and your facts based on pure opinion.

if you calculate the odds that we are a digital being, it is still more likely than we got to this very day from a creation.. surely you guys can at least work that out in your own heads ot accept thats fact (alternatively use a claculator)

Wow. Talk about being full of crap. If you've already done the calculations, post them here along with the formula you used and how it was determined. You are guessing. You have done no math whatsoever, and telling people "it is FACT, but you have to calculate it yourself." What a joke. At least put in an effort if you want to deceive people. Now you are being flat out dishonest.

Evolution: backed by tons and tons of evidence.
Creation: backed by zero evidence
Evidence of us being digital: Not yet found, even though scientists have been studying cellular biology and atoms for decades.

Which one is mathematically more probable again? I'd think that it would be impossible to calculate odds such as that, because it's mostly a guess. And just because you are emotionally involved in that guess, does not make it accurate.

Why are they mutually exclusive? A creator could design evolution, or have nothing to do with it. Evolution has nothing at all to do with the guess that we might be a computer program.

But you say a computer could very easily program consciousness and make itself self aware to experience sensory perception. So go ahead and do it. Create a digital universe that is self aware, and the people have the freedom to do whatever they choose. Simple, right?

Strong gut feeling doesn't indicate mathematical probability. Stop pretending to know what you're talking about. If you want to talk about being digital, talk about it, but it has nothing to do with evolution.

There is no evidence we started as slime in a pond (by the way where did the slime come from?. Apart from the fact that evolution means we all came from stuff from outer space (where did that come from?)

Evolutionists have more fiath than all the religions of the world combined. They hang on a no eveidence in the HOPE they are right.

Meanwhile others have faith in a God they can't see and prove.

So tell me whats different about you evolutionists tpo those who believe in a God then? Both require huge amounts of faith...

reply to post by Lab4man

Unfortunately, the domesticated dog does not prove evolution...in fact if anything it proves just the opposite. A dog is still a dog...it hasn't turned into a cat, rat or penguin. By selective breeding, the physical attributes have changed, but the dog is still a dog and not a new species.

You just dont understand what he said.

The dog is no longer a wolf. It is now a dog. Its different from a wolf.

reply to post by daggyz

Evolutionists have more fiath than all the religions of the world combined. They hang on a no eveidence in the HOPE they are right.

First off, abiogenesis has nothing to do with evolution. Abiogenesis is about how life began. Evoulution is about how life got so diverse. Until you realize that, then we cannot get anywhere with a discussion.

Second, there is tons of evidence for evolution. Ignoring it does not mean it is not there.

Maybe there was a matrix marathon on cable recently.

So just to clarify.

The alien that created the computer, is there only one of them? Where did they come from? Did they evolve or were created?

You mentioned their planet, is there only one?

Also......oh wait these questions were already asked and completely ignored so no point in asking.




I guess it would get lonley by yourself on an empty world with nothing but a computer.

Seems mathematicaly more probably that they would create porn instead of a whole universe.

Here's some info on animals evolving before our eyes.(this really deserves its own thread so I'll just post links for now)
1.Elephants (evolving out of tusks) evolving elephants
2.Russian dogs (homeless pet population learns to use subway to navigate cities) Subway dogs
3.Hudson river fish (immune to toxic waste) National Geographic
4.Italian lizards (''rewire'' innards to accept Croatian diet between 1971 and 2004)Lizards of Pod Mrcaru
5.Polar Bears (gettin' busy with grizzly bears) The 1st link is past polar bear evolution the 2nd is about them breeding with grizzlys to adapt 1st polar bear link 2nd polar bear link

There's some left overs in the human body too.
1. Goosebumps (used to be used to lift hair folicles to raise body temp)
2.Vomeronasal organ (detects pheromones)
3.DNA junk (certain genes rendered disabled, still active in some animals)
4.Auriculares muscle (extra ear muscle used to pin point sound)
5.Plantaris muscle (same muscle apes use like hands, considered ''underdeveloped in humans''. 9% of humans now born without)
6.Wisdom teeth (Plant eating teeth, modern diets don't depend on plant food quite as much as it would have when hunting was a major chore.)
7.Third eyelid (non-working remnant.has grown quite small,yet still more visible in some populations than others. ) On a personal note this one is the pudding *the proof *
8.Darwin's point (Yet another ear focusing tool. 10.4% of humans have this nodule on the rim of their ears.)
9.Coccyx (Whats left of a human tail)
10.Appendix (No one really knows, but the best guess going is same as the wisdom teeth. That is to say dealing with a cellulose rich diet.)
Listverse

I'm sure some troll will start flaming..... Sigh....If you disagree I'm going to require facts and sources before your comment is considered valid. Anyway hope reasonable people out there gets a kick out of these links truly interesting stuff.

Oh my days

The onus is on you to disprove science Good luck at that :p

I can't believe I wasted enough time to read your entire post.

Do you really need to know if you were created? Is there not enough going on in the world to stop trying to figure out if God exists or if we are digital beings made by some supercomputer?

Why not spend your time arguing provable points rather than standing on speculation?

People spend their whole life wondering if there is a god and never enjoying the life they have and living it to it's fullest. If you truly believe your new house in heaven is going to be huge and you are going to be the chosen ones why be concerned with what happens here? Why not just enjoy what you have and love others equally whether they agree with you or not.

Originally posted by jheated5
What the heck is a digital being??? Can you explain this to me?

My exact thought here

Would a digital being /rocks/universe according to OP be something The Matrix-like?? AS hard as I am trying... still dont understand what a digital being is.

reply to post by PutAQuarterIn


don't you guys understand that if we were created, we would be a digital being, i.e this universe would be a computer program? why is that so hard to understand, if this universe is not a computer, then we evolved...

en.wikipedia.org...

if you don't want to accept it then i really can't have a discusiion with you, because you can't understand something so unbelievably simple....

can't you guys accept that its possible that the universe is a computer program, and therefore we were created? because it really is possible

can't you guys understand how much easier it would be to prove if we evolved, byu proving we are not a digital entity? instead of turning to evidence which may be digital

can't you guys understand that while you may deam it possible to have got here from an explosion, it is more likely that someone built the universe using mathematics? because it really is more likely

can't you guys understand that the real way to prove the universe was not created is either to prove we are digital, or prove we are non-digital??

this is really basic stuff here

My thoughts on this one would be that we evolved into ape-like beings, then got a Alien DNA flu-shot and after that continued evolving into what we are today.
At some point a cell ( or bacteria or whatever ) must have sprung to life... is that just a chemical reaction, does that make suddenly the heart of a feutus beat? Or is that a miracle, or God? I don't know for sure but I like to think so....

reply to post by piles


you guys really are unbelievable, can someone explain what they thought creation would mean?

i.e. do you think we would be a scaled down version of the creator made out of silicone? LOL

if we were created do you think our planet would be on a massive steel pole, which was invisible, and the sun on a steel pole which the creator fed with flammable material...

come on guys, clearly either you have no common sense or you can't understand something very basic which is why i can't debate this with you. as yet i havn't managed to have a serious discussion with any of you, because you can't understand that this universe would be digital if we were created (i.e. we would be simulated)

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