Why would you oppose a one world governement?

Originally posted by daskakik
Cute. It seems that the US is the one pushing the hardest for it.

Maybe because the US has a handle on what true freedom is all about?

Originally posted by allenidaho
I personally don't see anything wrong with a one-world government as long as we can still be free. There have to be certain ground rules that all countries would be willing to abide by.

There are so many differences in opinion, in religion, in ideology that it would be difficult to achieve. You can't please everyone.

Most of the die hard christians are against the idea because they think its a sign of apocalypse, as dumb as that sounds.

You also have to able to elect a solid and effective leadership that isn't going to be a bickering circus act like the United Nations turned out to be.

But if you were still able to make a living, own whatever you want, think whatever you want, etc. it could work.

You are officially the dumbest person I have ever encountered on the internet. And that's saying a lot!

why does everyones idea of a one-world govt. on here sound strikingly similar to germany in the 1930's?

Originally posted by evilaton
Wait a second . There WAS a time in human history where there was no countries and no borders.
And look how well that worked out.
People need to conquer and wars are part of our nature.
Even here in the US , where we are 'One nation under God' , there are states that want to break away.
For example, Vermont wants to be part of Canada.
So , the point I am making is , even if we were one world government,it wouldn't take long for some
(ex) country to 'join' or 'unite' with another or to become its own state once again.
Basically it would go back to the way it is in no time.

edit on 30-10-2011 by evilaton because: (no reason given)

They are not part of our nature. That is a common misperception. Not all known civilizations were founded through warfare. Some solely through trade were established over centuries.

Originally posted by AzureSky
An nwo controlled by the populace as opposed to the wealthy elite,

I oppose the wealthy elite controlling the rest of us, and i oppose the means by which they would 'force' everyone to believe 'or else'

So which of the 99% is going to make all the decisions and control things?

How is it that so many here at ATS complain about the evil corporate Masters but still dream of some kind of One World Govt? I thought people here understood the dangers of a One World Govt, and yet half of you all are for at least a Utopian socialist govt which is just the Left Hegelian side of the NWO.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
How is it that so many here at ATS complain about the evil corporate Masters but still dream of some kind of One World Govt? I thought people here understood the dangers of a One World Govt, and yet half of you all are for at least a Utopian socialist govt which is just the Left Hegelian side of the NWO.

If you think corporations and the constitution are the same then I understand your confusion.

I don't think you believe that so I don't understand the confusion.

reply to post by theovermensch

f I was an oligarch I would think the general public in the west deserves everything they get.

Oh, that sounds like a lovely expression of equality. "Wahhhh we want equality and justice for everyone, we want equal pay for everyone, and cut off the heads of the evil westerners"
Don't you see the hypocrisy there?

That's a simple answer for me....because the one developing in plain sight has come to be without one vote being cast for it by anyone on this planet. From it's inception it's been molded and formed by a very small minority of wealthy elitists, that could care less if we live or die , except when it's tax collection time.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


A NWO one world government is the last thing the evil corporate Masters would want.

A one world government would need to be structured to be fair for all races and religions otherwise it would not work. Under such a system the current evil rulers and dictators would have no power.

The Founders of the USA wanted to create a New Atlantis, in effect a NWO, where people truly were free. Jefferson even shot bankers. But that utopian dream ended when Woodrow Wilson sold us back to the bankers.

All those thinking the NWO is a bad thing have been effectively brain washed so the OWO can do their business as usual.

Perhaps a few more thousand years and we might wake up, but I doubt it

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
How is it that so many here at ATS complain about the evil corporate Masters but still dream of some kind of One World Govt? I thought people here understood the dangers of a One World Govt, and yet half of you all are for at least a Utopian socialist govt which is just the Left Hegelian side of the NWO.

If you think corporations and the constitution are the same then I understand your confusion.

I don't think you believe that so I don't understand the confusion.

edit on 31-10-2011 by daskakik because: (no reason given)

Of you don't understand my thinking, because I want liberty not your version of some Utopian world society which is unattainable. I never said corporations and the Constitution were the same thing. Where the heck did you come up with that? You think that when the One World Govt will be instituted, then the corporations will be all gone? Or you think that someone like you is going to run them? The whole Utopian thing is so naive.

Originally posted by zorgon
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


A NWO one world government is the last thing the evil corporate Masters would want.

A one world government would need to be structured to be fair for all races and religions otherwise it would not work. Under such a system the current evil rulers and dictators would have no power.

The Founders of the USA wanted to create a New Atlantis, in effect a NWO, where people truly were free. Jefferson even shot bankers. But that utopian dream ended when Woodrow Wilson sold us back to the bankers.

All those thinking the NWO is a bad thing have been effectively brain washed so the OWO can do their business as usual.

Perhaps a few more thousand years and we might wake up, but I doubt it

I disagree. So you think those who have been calling for a NWO (Im thinking Bush, barach, Clinton, Gorbachev, Kissinger, etc) don't really want that, they are all just saying it to mislead us, and a real NWO would actually be great because someone noble like you is going to be at the TOP! And everyone will be really equal too. Everyone will share all their pie and work real hard to give away their pie to the other guy.
No harm in dreaming till you try to make something like that actually happen....

I can see that you have the Masonic vision for a happier life for everyone based on spiritual realities, but everyone is not going to evolve at the same pace. We have souls here who incarnated in Atlantis, and newer souls too. How can those evolutions suddenly all have the same idea as Alice Bailey? Yes, the high spirituality is a worthy goal, but the NWO goal is going to be run by the same people who are running it today.
Yes the spiritual Masters have had a higher vision for mankind, but do you really trust the Kissingers and the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds of the world to fulfil that vision?
Totalitarian societies such as those the Progressives have wanted show mankind is still not ready for a truly spiritual way. Just look how Totalitarianism destroys the churches, burning them to the ground in abject hatred for the One True God.

reply to post by muse7


With all of the blessings that I know I have, and mind you I'm of the bottom of the 99%.
There are others out there who have vastly more.
We have food technologies that allow x100 times more food to be grown ANYWHERE.
You could even build a greenhouse at the Antarctic "could" is the word i used folks.
We have preserving techniques that are millenia old and some newere tech too, food can last for years in a can.
With all of these advantages, why do people still die from famine, war and diseas?
We have Corporations that combat hunger, rights groups, humanitarian organizations, Etc.
Still, folks die for petty reasons.
This is because some folks are greedy and want it all for themselves, they want to be bigger or better or whatever.
Once the UN or NWO or whomever can find a way for people to live in a "Roddenberry" type civilization where power is free, food is free and money has no worth, I'll sign on to that.
Until then, I do not believe our elected or appointed officials care about us at all.
Until then I oppose one world gumment, they can't get a town right yet alone a whole planet.

Originally posted by muse7
Wouldn't that be better than living in countries, divided by lines in the sand and fighting like school children in playgrounds?

*waits to be called a globalist 37th degree mason rothschild*

Might be a pipe dream on my part, but I had been thinking about this for a while and I think it would take some time to get used to living in such a world, but wouldn't that be the ideal world to live in? Everyone being together without countries separating us and preventing us from reaching our potential as a species, instead we like to brand ourselves white, black, brown, hispanic, etc those things just keep us from reaching our true potential.

We can have that without government.
But first the mindset of world, especially western mentality, has to change.
The concept of profiting off others has to go. In other words, take greed out of the economic equation.

I dont see a problem with making money for being industrious,
but make it so that the value of having a lot of money, does not add value to your life. And I dont mean tax the rich more. I dont think that is necessary. You will see that people will share their excesses, whether its from an over abundant harvest, money, or material things, much faster, when the value of excess is reversed.

Then, as a traveller, you can actually live off the goodwill of others.

It doesn't matter what type of government there is or no government at all, what religions there are or no religion at all. We will always be at war with one another for one reason or another. You break down anything and some form of segregation is involved all the way back to when you were in school and different groups formed on the playground. Then you move into the business world where the true validity of the saying, "Its not what you know but who you know" comes into omission. Even in this forum and any blog eventually discussions turn from healthy argumentative debate to actual anger and lashing out. Rather than learning from each other some that are perhaps less educated on some matters refuse to read and indulge themselves to others ideas/opinions while those who may be well versed mistakenly take knowledge for superiority and put down others with condescending replies. Even if we started from scratch again there will always be someone with ideas that differ from another and others that side themselves with each and then someone always takes it too far and act irrationally on emotion and thats all it takes.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I never said corporations and the Constitution were the same thing. Where the heck did you come up with that? You think that when the One World Govt will be instituted, then the corporations will be all gone? Or you think that someone like you is going to run them? The whole Utopian thing is so naive.

You said

How is it that so many here at ATS complain about the evil corporate Masters but still dream of some kind of One World Govt?

A Constitutional OWG would be the same as the Constitutional US. That would not be a corporation so why wouldn't people be able to want one while protesting the other?

Utopian like what the founding fathers had in mind. Looking at the state of things you may be right about that.

Originally posted by muse7
I actually wouldn't mind a one world government

We would have to create special rehabilitation camps to make people realize that a world that is united is better, religion and values would also be taken care of at those camps

edit on 10/30/2011 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

Yes renounce your religion or die.. Receive the mark!!!

Yeah no...

Of course what you propose in this thread is exactly what is prophesied so you may just get your wish after all.. Of course even then you must realize that cultural differences on this planet would hinder any progress in a one world government.. And what kind of system would it be? Capitalism? Monarchy? Socialism? Communism?

I support a one world governmental system, but it must be done through transparent moves by leaders of nations with support of individual states and countrys overall soverienty..much like the united states having the states remain autonomous yet united under a single banner.

Would like less power than the fed currently has though for the world gov...
So yes...I am all for it if its properly done...but, its a pipe dream. Massive corporate losses in a united and somewhat peaceful world..can't have that...so the giants will keep everyone divided and sell on both sides of the imaginary border as per the norm.

the whole omg nwo crowd is sold by corporate propaganda of course...its safe to ignore them..but the ones that brainwash them are also the ones that will throw every wrench into the machine to make sure it doesn't happen without a fight...use of paranoia, xenophobia, and overall dirty tactics is the norm.

A type 1 civilization designed for progression, technology, and overall advancement of our species is the ultimate goal...those that slow it down need to be cast aside.

Originally posted by DaMod

Originally posted by muse7
I actually wouldn't mind a one world government

We would have to create special rehabilitation camps to make people realize that a world that is united is better, religion and values would also be taken care of at those camps

edit on 10/30/2011 by muse7 because: (no reason given)

Yes renounce your religion or die.. Receive the mark!!!

Yeah no...

To both of you
Have you lost the plot? Since when does a united world = anything at all to do with religion? talk about shooting off the mark..might as well cry out that pepperoni pizza will also be banned in a one world government.

Nonsense tripe like that (both of you) is what hinders adults from being adults and discussing this.

Keep the religion (pro or con) crap out of the convo when it doesn't apply..

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
So you think those who have been calling for a NWO (Im thinking Bush, barach, Clinton, Gorbachev, Kissinger, etc) don't really want that, they are all just saying it to mislead us, and a real NWO would actually be great because someone noble like you is going to be at the TOP! And everyone will be really equal too. Everyone will share all their pie and work real hard to give away their pie to the other guy.

Exactly So you actually agree

Yes Bush and Co are spouting the words, but have NO intention of making it happen. Which one of them will step down so the other will rule? Will Bush step down so Gorbachev can rule? China has by far the vast majority, so shouldn't the Premier of China Wen Jiabao be the head? Yup I can see Obama and Dmitry Medvedev stepping down for that to happen

[No harm in dreaming till you try to make something like that actually happen....

Which is why I said maybe in another few thousand years before we will be ready for a Star Trek Federation type fair one world government. In the meantime, the OWO will continue as they are and "We the People..." will continue whining about it in forums

As to "someone noble like me" Well my little Kingdom runs just fine... as long as one honors the 'Law of Vassalage' And if the SHTF, look to one of our groups for help, because we know how to survive in style