Why would you oppose a one world governement?

reply to post by SaturnFX


You read his quote I responded to right?

Getting slow in your old age Saturn?

It wouldn't have anything to do with religion... but I quoted the OP so now it does..

reply to post by muse7


One day there will be a country called Earth. This must happen for us to survive as a race.

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by silvercrow
I'll tell you why I'm against NWO/One Government:

I do believe in the People of Earth united for a better world,

You just contradicted yourself

We don't need government, we need exactly the opposite: that they let us live our own lives.

yeah right... I can just see that working. I mean sure, lets get rid of government and all the greedy crooks will just leave us alone and let us live our own lives...

I didn't contradict myself. I am all for the people ruling themselves through community, but I strongly oppose those who want to rule over us. It's completely different. Government will never controll crime, greed or injustice because it is too agressive in legislation, incapable of enforcing law and lenient in punishment. I don't even believe they want to solve the problem.

On the other end, small towns are perfectly capable of enforcing rules and shunning those who will not behave according to community law. Those who don't like the laws can leave and seek acceptance somewhere else.

I'll try to explain. The way things work is something like this: a few who have money and influence are elected (and some just appointed for office) despite their lack of a sense of duty and/or knowledge to rule over people who they know nothing and care little about. As someone said very well here, government is composed of people who seek only power and money. Don't you ever think that they will want change.

Despite not being American I admire Ron Paul but he will never be president even if Americans decided to elect him. This is your NWO/One Government working against us. Like Ron Paul, I believe in civil rights and freedom, but it doesn't mean I am ok with violence. State should intervene to regulate, not to keep its citizens under surveillance and repressive action, fear and enslavement.

But for those who believe NWO is a great thing I ask: how is the USA not under One Government? Would you imagine yourselves living without State Borders? What would be the alternative then? Right now if you want the right to carry firearms you can just move. What then? In Europe moving to another "state" is a little different as we have many languages and laws, and culture. But our "Federation" in the making is destroying small countries and protecting the richest. If this is an example of things to come, no thank you. We want choice, not the illusion of choice, not false security for liberty.

Because it is evil. Because it is behind my back. Because we cannot get ufo&alien disclosure. Because I dislike capitalism and support socialism. Because all the races cannot get together unless united by a superior cause such as inhabiting other planets and establishing relationships with other creatures. Because up to now the people that run the show have a lust for money rather than nature. Because government is too corrupt to get anything done properly.

Start publicising industry and central banking, then get back to me for more details! I will NOT hold my breath though, that much I guarantee.

Let's give the "rocky" EU a few years and see how that experiment turns out first!

Gimme a break: "star trek" One world utopia...Free free free everything!

You know:
nobody ever tried to break into an iron curtain country to live under communism; Plenty risked their lives or died escaping them though.
If you force the entire world under the jack boot of a single system. Where do you escape to if it turns out brutal?????????????

We need choices: want to live under "socialism"? Move your butt to to Europe or Scandanavia.Communism? North Korea...

"Constitutional Republic"? the U.S.( Hey Barack: Stop trying to "fundamentally change" the USA!!! Nobody asked you to!)

Originally posted by daskakik

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
I never said corporations and the Constitution were the same thing. Where the heck did you come up with that? You think that when the One World Govt will be instituted, then the corporations will be all gone? Or you think that someone like you is going to run them? The whole Utopian thing is so naive.

You said

How is it that so many here at ATS complain about the evil corporate Masters but still dream of some kind of One World Govt?

A Constitutional OWG would be the same as the Constitutional US. That would not be a corporation so why wouldn't people be able to want one while protesting the other?

Utopian like what the founding fathers had in mind. Looking at the state of things you may be right about that.

Don't mash up my words to create some bizarro idea. You twist things around. But you do that with everything. You imagine that the billion people who subscribe to Sharia Law want to use our American Constitution? Then why are they going out of their way to subvert it?

Let's see.........hmmmm....I would oppose a One World Government because it most certainly would not be "Of the People, By the People, and For the People"... then what you would have is something akin to Adolph Hitlers vision which wouldn't be pretty. (I'm Jewish so I would really be in BIG trouble!) If we can't get along peacefully as we are now --- how in the world could we all get along under a OWG? If you have a small elite group running this OWG, how are THE PEOPLE going to be represented? Things are bad enough as they are right now and we are (supposedly) living in a Democracy. Our evolution clearly shows genius at times when it comes to our technological advances, but as far as how we treat each other, many of us still act like PRE NEANDERTHALS.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Don't mash up my words to create some bizarro idea. You twist things around. But you do that with everything. You imagine that the billion people who subscribe to Sharia Law want to use our American Constitution? Then why are they going out of their way to subvert it?

I'm not twisting anything. You're the one asking how can people protest corporations and at the same time want a OWG. I answered that it was because they are not the same thing. Not hard to understand.

It wouldn't be the US Constitution. It would be the Earth Constitution and they would have the freedom to parctice their Sharia Law in their countries as long as they don't violate Earth's Constitution.

With all due respect, you just haven't done enough research to understand what a New World Order really means. If you truly understood, you wouldn't naively think that a NWO is simply a border issue.

Please do your homework, understand what a NWO really means, and then get back to us. Here are a few things to look up:

Depopulation (as in...they're trying to kill us)
Dominance and control
Enslavement

And if that's not enough to get you started, let me know.

Originally posted by 46ACE
Let's give the "rocky" EU a few years and see how that experiment turns out first!

Gimme a break: "star trek" One world utopia...Free free free everything!

You know:
nobody ever tried to break into an iron curtain country to live under communism; Plenty risked their lives or died escaping them though.
If you force the entire world under the jack boot of a single system. Where do you escape to if it turns out brutal?????????????

We need choices: want to live under "socialism"? Move your butt to to Europe or Scandanavia.Communism? North Korea...

"Constitutional Republic"? the U.S.( Hey Barack: Stop trying to "fundamentally change" the USA!!! Nobody asked you to!)

edit on 31-10-2011 by 46ACE because: (no reason given)

Except we NEVER HAD true socialism ANYWHERE. Only communism and capitalism, both polar opposites of each other. In america everything is privately owned and in the soviet union/china/cuba everything was publicely owned.

Its always one extreme or another. Never the middle ground because "the elite" want everyone to BE POLARISED for or against something. Free markets always create private monopolies with or without government supervision while in communism you are a slave to the state run by madmen dictators like stalin or mao.

European socialism of the 60s through 80s came pretty close to socialist utopia, except that countries had to borrow money from the private banking cartels to suplement their welfare systems due to tax loopholes for the rich.

The rich ALWAYS subvert every system because THEY THINK they are better than everyone. In reality they are parasites!

How could we trust a one world government,
when we can't even trust our own governments around the world

Thats one thing the astronauts note from space: there are no borders.
Of course someone will always be the first to draw a line in the sand and dare you to cross it.
Government? Whats that? We don't need no stinkin government!

Individuals get on just fine in their own world without some remote Government lookin over their shoulder and tellin em what to do.

reply to post by muse7


Yeah, a world government wouldn't be so bad... problem is, the scum of the earth named "the Jesuits" are the ones behind it all (yeah, they control Freemasonry, Politics, the Vatican, most of the secret societies like the Knights of Malta, Columbus, etc. ). And like they say on their own writings their ideal form of government is fascism. So, for the sake of us all, a world government cannot exist unless is made up by the people, uncorrupted people of the world who would fight with their lives for mankind to be free.

Originally posted by MRuss
With all due respect, you just haven't done enough research to understand what a New World Order really means. If you truly understood, you wouldn't naively think that a NWO is simply a border issue.

Hmmm homework? Okay here ya go (so long as you don't fear going to a .mil site )

From the mouth of the Horse...

Bush's New World Order: The Meaning Behind the Words
www.dtic.mil...

An Analysis of the 'New World Order' and Its Implications
www.dtic.mil...

Policing the New World Order: An Alternative Strategy
www.dtic.mil...

The New World Order: A Second Look
www.dtic.mil...

The New World Order: A Vision and Its Dimensions
www.dtic.mil...

That should get yawl started.. but here is my favorite one...

Martians and Venutians in the new world order
www.dtic.mil...

reply to post by muse7


I totally agree with your sentiment. A one world government is inevitable. It's a fact of social evolution. Just as the family formed clans and discovered the benefits of the voluntary union made them more powerful and successful, so too did the clans eventually evolve into tribes, tribes evolved into city states, city states evolved into nations.

The greater the union, the stronger the people belonging to it.

Unfortunately, there have always been those who fought this natural social evolution.

It's a long trip, but eventually a one world government will arise. It won't be the myopic NWO version of a world government, but a true, voluntary association of peoples throughout the planet.

It's a day by thing that requires patience and persistence, but it will happen...one day.

Thanks for your post.

Governments and Leaders are for those too stupid to think for themselves and too afraid to be responsible for their actions as human beings..
The only thing a global government would do is create a larger scale of oppression and tyrany than humanity has seen in past..along with a big nanny state.. All governments and leaders can go to hell.

reply to post by muse7


Everybody desires a one world government thats modelled after their own world view.
Everybody opposes a one world government that goes against their world view.

Keeping that in mind, I would oppose a one world government for the same reason that you would....

Wow! Silver Crow!! Good Job!

you did a great job of explaining exactly how I see it! I just cringe at the thought of a NWO.

I can just see how we'd all become one big homogenized glob of slaves to serve those who are ruling this New World.

Well, its just a horrible idea....but it will never work, unless they drugged us all or lobotomized us all or chipped, or something. and I don't doubt they wouldn't have to find some way to keep us all sedated and working...people are innately inclined toward freedom from control by others. It's our nature to rebel and to want our Liberty and Individuality.

I also hope Ron Paul wins the vote...but, I also think it is already rigged.

Anyway, I think you said this so well,

thank you, SweetM

Originally posted by allenidaho
I personally don't see anything wrong with a one-world government as long as we can still be free. There have to be certain ground rules that all countries would be willing to abide by.

There are so many differences in opinion, in religion, in ideology that it would be difficult to achieve. You can't please everyone.

That's exactly the problem with the NWO. There will be no "freedom", are you kidding me?
Yeah, the select few at the top, making all the decision and run the entire world will actually allow you to have your petty "freedoms"... like the "freedom" to speak out... AHAHAHA oh wow...

... careful what you wish for my friends....

Right now we have elites making decisions that affect the whole world. Wouldn't it be better to make it public and hold those people accountable in some way?