US is only Capitalist, PROFIT-based Healthcare in World! NYC Doctors, Nurses Join OCCUPY Revolution

@ Zuccotti Park to share their frustration over a lack of adequate healthcare for the 99 percent.
doctors and nurse dressed in their scrubs and white coat gave volunteer medical exams to protesters


newyork.cbslocal.com...



corporate greed in the pharmaceutical and healthcare arena is making patients sicker not better.



by the way, why is like 9 out of 10 Americans like on Oxycontin Roxies or some other psychotic drugs on a daily basis for years and years like its a part of life (in addition to alcohol)??

This movement is growing stronger every week!
shame the police cant accept the protesters are right and join them too

there are nations who do have successfull national healthcare programs.
they do this by limiting costs. something the US refuses to do.

Man I'd love to see some healthcare professionals get behind this thing. Surely their altruism can guide them

US is only Capitalist, PROFIT-based Healthcare in World!

Could that be why so many socialist medical system patients come here to get care they can't in their own countries?

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II

Could that be why so many socialist medical system patients come here to get care they can't in their own countries?

Yes, the US has the best healthcare, if you can afford it. So the socialists coming here must be the affluent ones, and who can blame them for wanting high end specialized treatment without the orderly and fair process of waiting their turn? But for discussion sake, this thread is more about an overall and general application. Can't we have a system that incorporates aspects of both systems, in the spirit of growth and evolution? Personally I think healthcare and education should be free, and an investment in a country's(and her people) future, which imo, outweighs ridiculous profit margins fro insurance co's and big Pharma.

Peace,
spec

ETA: Plus, there are plenty of Americans who wish for and go to get healthcare/surgery elsewhere in India, Mexico and Canada for affordability. So the desire for 'something else' goes both ways. I have a friend that got a hip replacement in India for 13,000 dollars because the cost here was 65,000. The doctors in India are very good also.

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As more and more respected professionals join this movement; The "dirty hippie" Commie, socialist moniker that the ATS conservatives try and pin on this movement will increasingly fall on deaf ears.

At my local OWS gathering there was a contingent of priest, nuns and other clergy all in support of this ever growing awareness.

Power to the People!!

Having gotten up close and personal with the healthcare systems in a couple European counties, I will take our system hands-down. Some people point to the British system. Well, when I lived there children wear going deaf because the waiting period for minor ear operations was so long.

There are more MRI machines in just Phoenix AZ than all of Canada. I've watched people wait months for their turn to have a hernia operation in Canada.

Sure, you can have free health care but it will be crappy and you'll wait a long time for it.

reply to post by dbarnhart

Sure, you can have free health care but it will be crappy and you'll wait a long time for it.

True, but how does that compare to never being able to afford it? Or having an ailment that is not qualified by insurance co? There is no 'one' answer here, just an imbalance, imo.

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WOW! A few New York City doctors and nurses support OWS? What a shock! Who would have thought there were liberal doctors and nurses in New York?

Everything I’ve read indicates that the majority of healthcare providers do not want socialized medicine. OWS is anti-free-market. If there is no free market you are left with socialized medicine. Instead of those who can afford having access to “good” healthcare, no one will have “good” healthcare as the level of quality of the over-exploited system drops. Eventually the entire system will crash as countless petty-problem healthcare-seekers flood in.

www.forbes.com...
The Jackson & Coker survey joins a large stack of research with similar findings. In February, the National Physicians Survey discovered that more than three times as many doctors believed that the quality of American health care would “deteriorate” rather than “improve” under ObamaCare. Nine of ten physicians think ObamaCare will have a negative impact on their profession. On average, physicians treating Medicare beneficiaries receive 81% of the rate private insurers pay. For Medicaid patients, reimbursements are even lower — just 56% of the private rate. In 2009, underpayments to hospitals amounted to $36.5 billion.

bighealthreport.com...
Quote: What we have seen so far from this disastrous monstrosity of legislation is that we and our physicians will be so tied up in bureaucracy; from mountains of paperwork, to bureaucrats getting in between our doctors and ourselves, to employers providing insurance that contains “minimum essential coverage” which has yet to be fully disclosed for their employees, to the policing of our coverage by the IRS to make sure we have purchased what the government deems to be acceptable health insurance coverage. Physicians will also be subject to fines for not providing care to their patients as dictated by a panel of bureaucrats. The individual mandate in this bill is unprecedented in our history. The Cato Institute’s Michael D. Tanner has published a comprehensive analysis of this heath care reform bill in his much more readable 61 page Bad Medicine: A Guide to the Real Costs and Consequences of the New Health Care Law. He states that “what we are finding increasingly looks like it will leave Americans less healthy, less prosperous and less free.”

Originally posted by Ferris.Bueller.II

US is only Capitalist, PROFIT-based Healthcare in World!

Could that be why so many socialist medical system patients come here to get care they can't in their own countries?

You bet... And why Americans would be taking medical and dental vacations to Mexico.

Originally posted by dbarnhart


Sure, you can have free health care but it will be crappy and you'll wait a long time for it.

Or how about having an insurance co. drop you when you turn 55 and never having filed a claim after paying them $500 a mo. for years.

The problem with free healthcare is of how hard its going to be to find doctors that really want to spend the extra time and work to specialize in those areas of healthcare. There is no incentive because the doctors end up making the same amount. So yeah socialized healthcare is great as long as you have nothing serious happen to you. The few things that would lower healthcare costs is to open up the states so you can buy insurance in any state you want. This will create competition and force companies to lower their prices. Next, make it a loser pays system. Doctors have to pay so much in malpractice insurance so he has to pass some of that on to patients. If a person looking to making a quick buck decides to sue their dr, they will think twice about it now. make the loser pay all legal fees.

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by dbarnhart


Sure, you can have free health care but it will be crappy and you'll wait a long time for it.

Or how about having an insurance co. drop you when you turn 55 and never having filed a claim after paying them $500 a mo. for years.

edit on 23-10-2011 by whaaa because: (no reason given)

Nice try! That's a logical fallacy - There's a big difference between reforming a free market based health care system and switching to socialized medicine.

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Reminds me of a story... A reputable doctor starts a bubblegum biopsy business to scam our medicaid program. How many more stories would you like to hear? How about a 4k bill for a bed (45 minutes) in the ER to draw blood and down a dose of Imodium?

Lab work sold separately.

reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II


Like another poster already said, they come here to get the best health care (but I will add their dirty and corrupted money can buy), sadly that is not what we Americans on debt get, we get second hand, or rather risk going to Mexico to get blotched care because is cheaper.

Money buys anything dear in America.

www.globalresearch.ca...

regarding people coming here from social healthcare for ours,

sadly the bulk of those who come here don't SPEND on US-provided healthcare. instead, the majority come here to take advantage of free US healthcare that most US citizens aren't qualified for, but visitors without researcheable incomes and savings and such, get virtually no questions asked (50 million recipients a year!).

every patient i know who came from outside USA for a life-saving operation or treatment so far, has applied for and received Medicaid -that is, US healthcare paid by us taxpayers who because we work or have adequate savings in the bank, wouldnt qualify ourselves. so, most of them come from their social healthcare system to take advantage of US's own 'social insurance program' niche, Medicaid

if you go to a hospital in any major city and look at the patients who are receiving Medicaid (ie, those who have been assigned a Medicaid caseworker on their roster) almost all of them are undocumented types. what a shame, we do have a social insurance niche which the fed/our tax $ costs about 5% of the GDP so actually its a sizeable chunk of government/tax expenditure on free healthcare but it caters to US non-citizens.

and yes, Medicaid is a free, social US healthcare program.. liberally used by your average undocumented etc yet not your average US citizen

www.medicalnewstoday.com...

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by whaaa

Originally posted by dbarnhart


Sure, you can have free health care but it will be crappy and you'll wait a long time for it.

Or how about having an insurance co. drop you when you turn 55 and never having filed a claim after paying them $500 a mo. for years.

edit on 23-10-2011 by whaaa because: (no reason given)

Nice try! That's a logical fallacy -

Nice try! Check it out.............


www.consumeraffairs.com...

What a fantastic system when you pay and pay but have to get a lawyer to make the Insurance co. live up to the contract THEY signed.

reply to post by ignant


Oxycodone is a pain relief narcotic not antipsychotics.
On topic:
Anyway I knew sooner or later the medical field would join.
They have a pretty big website about healthcare professionals that want national healthcare for The USA it's a pretty big website!
PNHP
Physicians For National healthcare but it includes other health professionals. I beleive.

Originally posted by dbarnhart
Having gotten up close and personal with the healthcare systems in a couple European counties, I will take our system hands-down. Some people point to the British system. Well, when I lived there children wear going deaf because the waiting period for minor ear operations was so long.

There are more MRI machines in just Phoenix AZ than all of Canada. I've watched people wait months for their turn to have a hernia operation in Canada.

Sure, you can have free health care but it will be crappy and you'll wait a long time for it.

Is deafness amongst children due to long waits for ear-infections an epidemic or just anecdotal and rare?

Does the number of MRI machines in Canada in comparison to Phoenix AZ matter? Is there a dangerous shortage of MRI machines in Canada that actually affects the population to a large extent? Have you considered that Phoenix might have too MANY MRI machines?

Free health care, no matter the wait times, is BETTER THAN NO HEALTH CARE. There are tens of millions of Americans (including children) who don't have any health care provided, that's plain unacceptable. As for the fear-mongering over universal health-care in other countries... many people actually enjoy their health care in those countries and they have higher quality of life, health, and life-expectancy than we do in the states... so what gives, man?