Evictions Begin At Dale Farm Amid Clashes

Originally posted by Mr Moon
reply to post by Aestheteka

 

Why do you feel so strongly about pikeys? They would screw you over first chance they got.
I would love for a pikey to come on here and try and defend themselves, but they are all to busy robbing good honest people.

I don't like or dislike Pikeys.
But I hate fascist bureaucracies even more.
Land ownership and the right to build one's own home in any manner one pleases should be a Human Right. We wouldn't be in this financial mess if the banks hadn't have introduced mortgages. If someone wants to live in a trailer then let them - not everyone buys into the 'eternal debt with a McMansion mortgage wannabe middle-class' dream that's forced down our throats.
If all you can afford to buold is a shack then you should be allowed to do so.

reply to post by Aestheteka


You cannot have one law for one and not the other. We operate in a democracy where we need to abide by the law. Everybody knows you can't just occupy a piece of greenbelt land rip off the turf and build what you want on it. You have to have planning permission and they knew that.

So again they think they are above the law.

reply to post by Mr Moon


I stand firm in my beliefs.
No one should have the right to interfere with another person's home or family. No one.
If your concept of democracy is invasive bureaucracy then so be it.
The OWS movement is fighting (and I use that word purely figuratively as it isn't) against utterly the wrong thing. We need to get back to basics and start again from the ground up, really looking at what is important and what isn't.
We live in this society because we were born into it (without choice) or emigrated to it (through choice). If greenbelt was so important there would have been no urban development in such areas since its inception but I think you'll find that greenbelt areas are regularly plowed under by the likes of Barratts and Wimpey to put up housing estates.
But, of course, they have permission. It's called cash.

Originally posted by Mr Moon
reply to post by Aestheteka

 

You cannot have one law for one and not the other. We operate in a democracy where we need to abide by the law. Everybody knows you can't just occupy a piece of greenbelt land rip off the turf and build what you want on it. You have to have planning permission and they knew that.

So again they think they are above the law.

So the planning commision is an ohnest and fair department?
Their decisions are fair and balanced?
or are they a corrupt arm of the government that regulates as they see fit.
Do they work for the betterment of the community?
or are they self serving?

If the commision is guilty of anything less than being totally fair and honest, then the argument posted above is a non issue.

While I agree with you about the coruption within the government. This case is different.

Around half the Dale Farm site is owned by Travellers and it has planning permission for occupation as a Traveller site. The Travellers on this part of the site are entirely legal and are not the subject of the eviction process.
So the law is protecting the travelers that have abided by the law, but the pikeys have not so they are being evicted.

Their are alot of good travalers out there but the pikeys are not the same. they do not contribute to society only take.

These people have my support,regardless of your views of the travelling community,likes/dislike this is immaterial,this is about the BS british planning department ran by paper pushing jobsworths in my local area you sometimes need planning permission for a garden shed but a big company like tesco can redirect the roads in my hometown to suit their business??? ,i mean cmon if its their land then they can do what they like with it surely?

reply to post by ScottishBiker420


I remember when people were forced to sell their houses in my area so that the road could be expanded and diverted.
The area was farmland.

reply to post by Aestheteka


Half of it was there land, the other half was on a greenbelt area, which has very strict rules for building/living on. This rule applies to all people living within the UK so how come these gypsies are void of this rule….

Yes the government and banks are nasty, but were mostly in this together and the travelers have managed to get away with this for years, whereas honest decent folk wouldn’t have got away with such living for a very long time at all so SOD em.....

reply to post by eddiemaiden_80


You seem like a decent bloke but you've been conned.
There is a difference between a decent, law abiding citizen and a sheep which obeys any and all bureaucratic nonsense thrown their way.
I am proud to be British and I love England. I'm one of the few remaining who believes in the monarchy. I swore an oath once to defend Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors and I intend to keep that promise if and when required.
However, England is an ancient place and we've had more than a few disturbances over the last millenium which resulted in certain agreements being made. The Magna Carta being the most famous. We even have our own Constituion but few will have heard of it as it is something that has been fiercely silenced.
One thing we do have, and this is set in stone, is Common Law and this is for the protection and welfare of every English person. For example, a man may go onto a patch of common ground at dusk, throw an axe head and the distance from where he's standing to where it lands is his to make a home on if he can erect a hovel and light a hearth fire before dawn. Greenbelt is some nonsense city planner's phrase to protect industry, urban developers and large-scale agriculture.
The system we have in place is but a temporary and fleeting glitch in the long history of our green and pleasant land. We have had pirates in power before and we will again but there have always been those who take a stand (some more successfully than others).
The travellers are parasites and they're not travellers. On the whole they're squatters, benefit scroungers and thieves. But when they buy a piece of land, even if it's in a disbanded scrap yard labelled a 'greenbelt' (until the council decides to make a profit by selling it to a developer), erect a home and raise their kids there, then they have as much right as the most seated Earldom or Barony in the land to keep their home.
IMHO, the 'system' needs to be picked down to its bare bones and rebuilt sensibly, laws included. I have no wish to discard tradition and institute some Venus Project socialist nightmare - a decent meritocracy is what most want. With a monarch, of course...

Originally posted by Aestheteka
reply to post by eddiemaiden_80

 

You seem like a decent bloke but you've been conned.
...
I am proud to be British and I love England. I'm one of the few remaining who believes in the monarchy. I swore an oath once to defend Her Majesty, Her Heirs and Successors and I intend to keep that promise if and when required.

You say the other guy's been conned yet you *believe* in the monarchy?!

I'm british and I too love England. But if you want to stick two fingers up at the establishment and government and all that AND say you believe in the monarchy.... That's just plain bizarre. They are just as effed up as any other institution in this country. I certainly wouldn't go to war for the Queen or her heirs - they're no better than the govt they don't answer to...

reply to post by noonebutme


And you call yourself British?
Without tradition or a monarchy we might as well be... French.
Or, worse still, dare I say it... ?
You know to whom I refer....

Just thought that people here should know about some of these poor travellers at dale farm. A very interesting link. www.dailymail.co.uk...
It seems that all is not what it appears to be.
I noticed that it was all the women who were protesting. Where are all the men? No doubt out doing work on the roads/roofs or just collecting/stealing scrap metal. All done with out paying any tax. And i will bet that every one of them is also getting benifits.

Originally posted by Aestheteka
reply to post by noonebutme

 

And you call yourself British?

Well yes - i was born here, I have a degree, a full time job, a mortgage and family and pay my taxes, albeit begrudgingly.

But supporting the monarchy isn't a "british" trait. I'd argue that nowadays, it's more british to shun them Besides, the majority of our monarchy comes from Germany and other Eastern european ancestries. They don't run the show, they don't conrtibute politically or economically - in fact they do the opposite.

I wouldn't use the monarchy as a means to judge one's britishness. Just saying...