Holocaust theater, soccer, concerts, etc. WTF?

Ok I just finished watching "The Last Days of the Big Lie". Very disturbing that some of the Holocaust survivors stories turned out to be frauds. What was very shocking though, was that some of the Holocaust Survivors described Auschwitz as a picnic where they were entertained by music, sports, theatre, day care, arts and crafts, books, given money allowances, healthcare, etc. I've never heard of that before. WTF?!

Here are clips from interviews with Holocaust survivors who tell a very different story than our media and Steven Spielberg do.



How do you all explain that? They also show pictures from Auschwitz where the prisoners look normal and well fed, not malnourished or dying. Here are some you can see below. They paint a very different picture of the Nazi concentration camps from the ones we've been shown.

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Auschwitz camp nurses



Auschwitz camp concerts




Auschwitz soccer team



Auschwitz post cards to send at the post office




Auschwitz credit allowances that were redeemable in the cantina




Gee, do all those photos above look like part of an extermination death camp? You gotta wonder...

The documentary ends with an explanation of Hitler's Big Lie quote and how it applies to the Big Lie of the Holocaust. Today, most people think that the Big Lie technique is a propaganda tool Hitler used to trick the masses of Germany. In actuality, Hitler pointed out that the Jews were the creators and master of telling The Big Lie.

In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote:

But it remained for the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood, and their fighting comrades, the Marxists...


All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself -- that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.


From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race! One of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true. He called the Jew "The Great Master of Lies."


Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.

- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter X, Causes of the Collapse

Here is a series of clips of arguments from Holocaust Deniers. They are very interesting, especially the part where David Cole explains on the Donahue Show why the physical evidence at Auschwitz doesn't match what is claimed there as gas chambers.



So what do you all think? Mind blowing isn't it? Doesn't that totally rock your paradigm?

There is more evidence showing that the Holocaust DID happen.
These pictures could have been from anywhere and anyone.
Have you talked to a Holocaust survivor yourself?
I have, I've seen their tattoo and scars and listen to their stories.
Way to intricate to be a hoax.
Even if it were a hoax, don't you think more than a "few" survivors would
have told the same story as the people in the video?
I think this thread is a hoax.

They were in "concentration camps"! Does it matter if there were pool tables and swing sets in the yards?

What about the other pictures that aren't so smiling and friendly around that time period?
Before someone starts a "The horrors of the Concentration Camps" thread, I'll just post these...

I think you're getting confused.

The football was probably a team of guards who were there.

The postcards also were for guards stationed there. You don't honestly believe that a prisoner there is going to dash of a postcard to his family (if they wern't imprisoned also) do you?

Also the Germans made propaganda films making some of the camps (possibly Auschwitz) look more like a holiday camp and that the prisoners were looked after really well. It was nonsense.

Originally posted by GmoS719
There is more evidence showing that the Holocaust DID happen.
These pictures could have been from anywhere and anyone.
Have you talked to a Holocaust survivor yourself?
I have, I've seen their tattoo and scars and listen to their stories.
Way to intricate to be a hoax.
Even if it were a hoax, don't you think more than a "few" survivors would
have told the same story as the people in the video?
I think this thread is a hoax.

But I could play the same game and say that the conventional pics you see of the Holocaust could be from anywhere too. In WWII, many civilians died from disease, so how do you know those pics you saw weren't of that?

Have you seen the film "The Last Days of the Big Lie"? Some of these survivors were debunked as frauds and impostors. Why would Spielberg interview frauds?

Originally posted by Kram09
I think you're getting confused.

The football was probably a team of guards who were there.

The postcards also were for guards stationed there. You don't honestly believe that a prisoner there is going to dash of a postcard to his family (if they wern't imprisoned also) do you?

Also the Germans made propaganda films making some of the camps (possibly Auschwitz) look more like a holiday camp and that the prisoners were looked after really well. It was nonsense.

But the soccer photo was of kids, not of adults. Didn't you see it?

How do you know which side is lying? The US fabricated atrocities in Kuwait to justify invading Iraq too. It all turned out to be a hoax as well. There are more lies than you can imagine.

How do you explain those interviews above?

Why do you think that Germans lie but Americans don't?

reply to post by WWu777


Naom Chomsky says it best. Although everyone has the right to question it..

Even to enter into the arena of debate on whether the Nazis carried out such atrocities is already to lose one's humanity.

The holocaust happened, I've been to two concentration camps - including Auschwitz. There's certainly enough evidence, there and beyond, that proves unquestionably that it did - including the medical records and personal belongings of those who died in unthinkable manners. As well as the testimonies of those who were there.

I highly doubt that there are many frauds pretending to have been victims of the holocaust, to imply as much is an insult of the highest kind to those who lost their lives there, their families and humanity as a whole. The guys in your video are the real phonies, if anyone.

The Nazis tried to cover their tracks, blowing up gas chambers and all before the allies reached them but there's still plenty of evidence left standing.

Shame on you.

A good book for you to read would be, "Man's search for Meaning" - by Viktor Frankl (one of the best books i've ever read in my life and has had a profound influence on me).

Or, "Dafka" - by Magda Watts (Magda is a friend of mine and not prone to lying)

I don't understand something. Why would Germany imprison people who deny the Holocaust? Wouldn't they have the most to gain from disproving the Holocaust, since it would vindicate history's perception of their past crimes?

Also, why did the Nazi's film the concentration camps so that it could be used against them later?

If they wanted to exterminate people, why would they need a concentration camp? They could just kill mass numbers of people quickly with efficient means.

Originally posted by arollingstone
reply to post by WWu777

 

Naom Chomsky says it best. Although everyone has the right to question it..

Even to enter into the arena of debate on whether the Nazis carried out such atrocities is already to lose one's humanity.

The holocaust happened, I've been to two concentration camps - including Auschwitz. There's certainly enough evidence, there and beyond, that proves unquestionably that it did - including the medical records and personal belongings of those who died in unthinkable manners. As well as the testimonies of those who were there.

I highly doubt that there are many frauds pretending to have been victims of the holocaust, to imply as much is an insult of the highest kind to those who lost their lives there, their families and humanity as a whole. The guys in your video are the real phonies, if anyone.

The Nazis tried to cover their tracks, blowing up gas chambers and all before the allies reached them but there's still plenty of evidence left standing.

Shame on you.

Well then Chomsky ought to understand this quote:

"Truth does not fear investigation."

Laws are made to protect lies, not truth.

I went to Auschwitz too. But Auschwitz is not proof of anything. It's just a bunch of cement buildings, wooden barracks, wooden buildings, etc. with signs on them. Investigators say that there are HUGE inconsistencies there, and zero evidence of gas chambers. What they claim to be gas chambers could not have possibly served the function of a gas chamber.

You should not be emotional about this, but logical.

Just cause everyone thinks something doesn't mean it's true.

The Holocaust most certainly did happen. I used to work near Munich. Just north of there is a little holiday camp called Dachau. I have visited there and the museum on site many times. The tales posted there are certainly not painting a picture of a life of leasure. Conditions were so bad that the prisoners would climb the wire in order to get shot to end the suffering.

It is required of all school children in the area to visit Dachau and see what the NAZI party did during their reign. Ther are photos clearly showing the piles of dead bodies laying in the storage area, awaiting disposal.

When the camp was liberated by the Americans, thepopulation of the city of Dachau were herded through the camp to show them what was being carried out in their name.

Trust me, the show is not a pretty sight.

Ok I don't get something.

Why would the Nazis make videos of the dead bodies in concentration camps, to be used against them later? Wouldn't they wanna keep that a secret?

Why would they need concentration camps to kill mass numbers of people? Wouldn't they have more quick efficient ways of doing it?

Why does Germany outlaw Holocaust denial today? Wouldn't it have the most to gain from disproving it and fixing their historical reputation?

Even if the Holocaust happened, on a smaller scale than the exaggerated version, there is definitely a bias in focusing on it as the only tragedy in WWII, isn't there? What about all the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? And all the millions that Stalin killed? Why is all the focus on the Jews, as if they are somehow more special than the others? What's the logical reason for that? Does anyone deny that there's a bias?

Hitler was no saint. But he was not as evil as Western history portrays him. If you listen to his speeches and read what he wrote, he was far less insane and far more rational than you might think. But most people never read what he wrote or listen to what he said. They just go by the Western perspective and view of him. Sure he committed atrocities. But so did FDR and Churchill. And definitely Stalin too. So why aren't those other leaders demonized the way Hitler was? There's obviously a bias isn't there?

If anyone is interested in researching the opposing views, here are some films someone told me about.

Auschwitz
www.youtube.com...
The David Cole Video. A young Jewish holocaust denier, posing as a believer, puts some hard questions to the senior curator of the Auschwitz State Museum. After making this video, a "hit" was put out on Cole, and a reward for information on his whereabouts was issued by Irv Rubin (who years later, was arrested by the FBI for planning to kill a Lebanese-American Congressman.) Fearing assassination, Cole went into hiding. He never surfaced again publicly. (1992, 52 minutes)

Buchenwald. A Dumb Dumb Portrayal of Evil
www.youtube.com...
The liberation of Buchenwald presented an opportunity for a Psyche Warfare operation meant to denazify the Germans. But it 'blew back' into the USA which is why Americans remember growing up with stories of human skin lampshades. 22 episodes. 2 hours 22 min.

Nazi Shrunken Heads
www.youtube.com...
Explains how the media and politicians manipulate the masses to be pro-war by using myths. Discusses not only the holocaust myth, but also myths promoting Western aggression toward Africa and the Middle East. Compares assertions made at the Nuremberg Trial in the mid 1940's, to assertions made about Idi Amin in the 1970's. 25 minutes.

One Third of the Holocaust
www.youtube.com...
Explains how Treblinka, Sobibor, and Belzec were not death camps, thereby debunking 1/3 of the holocaust. Asks questions like, "Would the Germans have really put a fence made out of tree branches around a deathcamp?" Answer: "Uh, no, that's silly." And would they have then conducted a huge burning operation inside this flammable fence? Banned at Youtube. 30 episodes. 4 hours 15 min.

The Last Days of the Big Lie
www.youtube.com...
Info and download: www.holocaustdenier.com...

The first four films listed above are also available at:
- www.holocaustdenialvideos.com...
- www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com...
"9 hours of free internet video about how the holocaust is a hoax. Seeing the hoax as part of a belief system which justifies war."

Additional resources:
- www.youtube.com.../p
- www.youtube.com.../p
- www.erichufschmid.net...

777 linking to 999 video. This is nice way to avoid what is in between. So while i see that objectivity and truth is hardly a purpose of this post i just want to say a few things :
Your photo of football team is:

British soldiers at Auschwitz were allowed some privileges, including their own football team. But their POW status did not make them immune from brutal treatment at the hands of the Nazis

www.thejc.com...
And they were in camp Auschwitz E715. Not Auschwitz 2.
Of course there was no Holocaust, Jews were not killed in Aushwitz because..... British POWs there had their own privileges and were living/eating in separate camp and had their own football team,some only working with Jews.
There were German criminals in this camp. There were Western POWs in this camp. They had "priviliges" and mainly survived, but even they describe it as brutal.
Jewish,Polish and Soviet prisoners did not have privileges. Nor soccer team. They were forced to play for Nazi camp leadership and for new arrivals. But it is not a concert.
Goebbels is proud of your post,though. If you repeat a lie often enough....

reply to post by WWu777

Well then Chomsky ought to understand this quote:

"Truth does not fear investigation."

Laws are made to protect lies, not truth.

That's exactly what I began my post with, you have the right to question it. But to do so is to lose one's humanity. Naom Chomsky defended a holocaust denier's freedom of expression, despite his emotional reservations.

I went to Auschwitz too. But Auschwitz is not proof of anything.

Are you kidding? That isn't proof, yet a single video on youtube is?

It's just a bunch of cement buildings, wooden barracks, wooden buildings, etc. with signs on them.

Plus, thousands of documents, photographs, records and artefacts belonging to those who spent time there. As well as a furnace, collapsed gas chambers, etc. I take it you saw the children's' shoes?

Investigators say that there are HUGE inconsistencies there, and zero evidence of gas chambers.

Who are these investigators? Source? What are these inconsistencies?

What they claim to be gas chambers could not have possibly served the function of a gas chamber.

Explain.

You should not be emotional about this, but logical.

My response was entirely logical.

Just cause everyone thinks something doesn't mean it's true.

They don't think it, they know it. It's like saying 'World War II never happened, it was staged.'
Not everything is a conspiracy.

And I maintain it's disgusting to insinuate the holocaust was completely faked, really atrocious. It may be hard to believe that humans would ever allow it to happen, but they did.

reply to post by WWu777

Ok I don't get something.

Why would they need concentration camps to kill mass numbers of people? Wouldn't they have more quick efficient ways of doing it?

No, the systematic efficiency they achieved is shocking. It was not just to kill people either, they executed tens of thousands of people a day - but also used others as labour.

Why does Germany outlaw Holocaust denial today? Wouldn't it have the most to gain from disproving it and fixing their historical reputation?

Because there's no doubt that it happened - and denying it is disgraceful (particularly inappropriate in Germany).

Even if the Holocaust happened, on a smaller scale than the exaggerated version, there is definitely a bias in focusing on it as the only tragedy in WWII, isn't there?

No one said it was the only tragedy that took place during WWII. Everyone knows Horishima/Nagasaki were equally atrocious, as was the behaviour of Japanese troops. You are the one who makes this differntiation.

And all the millions that Stalin killed?

Once again, you're making things up. Everyone knows Stalin was a murderous dictator, even Khruschev.

Why is all the focus on the Jews, as if they are somehow more special than the others? What's the logical reason for that? Does anyone deny that there's a bias?

Yes, I deny there is a bias. You forget that it wasn't just Jews that were slaughtered in concentration camps.

Hitler was no saint. But he was not as evil as Western history portrays him.

He certainly was as evil as Western history portrays him, as were his generals and ministers.

If you listen to his speeches and read what he wrote, he was far less insane and far more rational than you might think. But most people never read what he wrote or listen to what he said.

What are you talking about - most people? Plenty of people have read what he wrote/said, and he didn't even write all his own speeches - which sounded like the ramblings of a mad man.

You keep saying 'most people, most people' with such sweeping unsubstantiated generalisations, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Don't defend your own ignorance, read.