Tarot cards.. possible dangers

Originally posted by SeleneLux
reply to post by Devestator

 

You did this a s a teen. I assume you are female. When females go into puberty and especially at the peak of puberty weird paranormal anomalies happen quite often. I feel it is because all women house the gateway to the soul and when that gateway goes active it creates chaos.

The cards also open gateways.

The reason why divining, witchcraft and the like are forbidden in the bible is because most of the masses do not have the inner discipline or character to handle such power. It really should only be practiced by the few.

Male actually as a teen

Using the Tarot cards for divination is one of the more profane uses for the cards. They aren't meant for divination, the meanings withing the artwork of the cards is very specific and outlines a path to spiritual growth and perfection. Before continuing on your search through the cards I suggest that you read some real books on their meaning and understand the symbolism involved in them.

Those that think the occult is all dark are severely misinformed, there is nothing malevolent in 90% of all occult teachings and philosophies. It is meant as a personal path to spiritual growth, enlightenment and eventual understanding of the universe.

Tarot cards will not summon demons to your house. The worse that will happen by using them for divination is that you will completely miss their true purpose and the centuries of knowledge packed into them, knowledge which had to be kept from the profane and religious until very recently.

If you wish to learn then you must have courage

reply to post by thebtheb


Right? Me too.

reply to post by Shadowflux




Your suggestions are right on the money. Learn more about what the cards REALLY are and what they represent before you start trying to translate them based on half information. I've been reading for 28 years. And have studied their art work and the meaning behind it for years now. Tell me......their is a secret formula within the "8" of the cards, no? Are you familiar with this? Some of them I undersand represent REAL Entities within this particular Oracle, correct?
Are we on the same page?

Originally posted by SeleneLux
reply to post by Devestator

 

You did this a s a teen. I assume you are female. When females go into puberty and especially at the peak of puberty weird paranormal anomalies happen quite often. I feel it is because all women house the gateway to the soul and when that gateway goes active it creates chaos.
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I second that also. I had quite a bit of things happen to me such as objects being thrown around. Granted, I was practicing a bit of magic and spells and using the Tarot. I was so anxious to find out anything and everything about my future that it got out of hand. Everything that had to happen with the paranormal was during my teens. Now that im almost 30, things have completely shut down. No more stuff thrown around or anything. I also completely seized to use the Tarot and dabble in WC 12 years ago. Havent looked back since

Originally posted by blackmetalmist

Originally posted by SeleneLux
reply to post by Devestator

 

You did this a s a teen. I assume you are female. When females go into puberty and especially at the peak of puberty weird paranormal anomalies happen quite often. I feel it is because all women house the gateway to the soul and when that gateway goes active it creates chaos.
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I second that also. I had quite a bit of things happen to me such as objects being thrown around. Granted, I was practicing a bit of magic and spells and using the Tarot. I was so anxious to find out anything and everything about my future that it got out of hand. Everything that had to happen with the paranormal was during my teens. Now that im almost 30, things have completely shut down. No more stuff thrown around or anything. I also completely seized to use the Tarot and dabble in WC 12 years ago. Havent looked back since

You know what? I had the same thing as far as nothing happening for years after I grew up. I was so focussed on my kids and work and so on. I had dismissed it all as fantasy. It wasn't until the kids were in their early teens and became interested in spooky stuff, that we thought it would be fun to go up to Prescott, AZ and spend the weekend before Halloween at the Hassayampa Hotel (purportedly haunted). I just thought it would be fun for the kids, but when night came, I was drifting off to sleep, and was woken up by feeling somebody sit on me - like your Mom starts to sit on you by accident when she is about to read you a story - and then stands back up again - the mattress physically depressed under me when this happened. Later, I was lying on my side/partly stomach, face into the pillow, and I felt an arm slide off to the outside from around my waist! That night is what made me join ATS in the first place. That experience was such an eye-opener! ALL of the stuff I had dismissed as just childhood imagination came flooding back and I had to consider that it might be real. I have had multiple experiences since then (various different things involving felt touch and shadow-persons, mostly). So, my point is, you may rediscover it, like I did.

Tarot cards are not mysterious... Your sub-concious is all knowing and all powerfull. The Tarot cards are simply a tool used to communicate with your sub-concious. If strange things started happening perhaps you are more in tune with spiritual things tham you thought? Your extended use of Tarot cards (I'm picking you don't have a spirit guide to protect you or haven't contacted them) could have brought you to the attention of spiritual beings or your focus on spiritual things could could have heighted your perception of what was happening around you. Perhaps you yourself had a direct involvement in these strange things occuring.
Do what you feel is right. If you are ok with doing Tarot again than by all means do it.

Trust yourself.

I believe that tarot and Ouija are bad.

My advice would be to stay away from both.

If bad things happen as a result of using either of these, they are caused by bad spirits

I've been reading cards for 40 years, and have never experienced anything paranormal in connection with my cards. A Tarot deck is a tool that a person can use to channel their brain's astounding ability to calculate linear trajectories involving specific events as they naturally develop along lines of progression. The best example of the human brain's capacity for linear trajectory calculation is a baseball outfielder tracking a flyball as he runs to ensure that his glove will intersect that ball's linear trajectory before it intersects with the ground. It may seem simple to most of us, but the calculations that the outfielder's brain is making, as the ongoing linear trajectories of the fielder's body and the ball itself change and shift in relative association from split instant to split instant until the two collide and the ball rests inside the fielder's glove, are whithering. If you had to program that entire episode, you'd be surpised at how complicated it is to do so, and that's from 3rd party perspective. Calculating it as you're dynamically affecting it, as one of the principles involved, is really complicated. And yet, the human brain does this without breaking a sweat.

When examining a progressive event trajectory (if I continue in this manner of dealing with our relationship, what can I expect to see develop between me and my wife?) the human brain is actually just as capable, but due to the personal and emotional investment we each have in our own daily lives, it's unlikely that any one of us has the true capacity for intellectual detachment when engaging in such an examination. This is what the Tarot was designed to help with - stepping between the seeker and the seeker's prejudices, as the ongoing event trajectory in question is examined, so as to provide that disinterested outside view of how that progression is progressing.

And the only questions that actually work with a Tarot reading are "trajectory questions", like "If I pursue this specific course of action, what will be the likely result?". The cards are simply helping your brain channel its capacity for calculation, and through the same bizarre ability that allows Savants to count cards at a blackjack table, your brain (if you do it right, and have the understanding that this is what's happening) shuffles the question "into the cards" and arranges the right cards to mix toward the right positions in the reading. It helps that there are several cards that will be suitable in any given position to suggest the same overall response, since exact card migration to the appropriate layout position, by way of a few quick shuffles, would really be a supernatural feat. In short, a good reader makes a successful reading, and a reading can be improperly interpreted a lot easier that you might imagine.

Still, there are no spirits involved in Tarot readings. Just two people (or one, in some cases) and the human brain's capacity for both precise calculations and precision in revealing those calculations by way of moving cards from here to there by way of having the hands manually shuffling them. This is why many really experienced readers require the seeker to spread out the cards, face up, and "photograph them" before gathering them up and shuffling their question into them. After all, no one can read a card if it's turned away from them, and what's being sought is clarity.

If your house is haunted, it's not the cards. Maybe it's how you're trying to use the cards, and what you're inviting in as you project that very clear and compelling intent? The human mind is much more of a beacon than a deck of cards, regardless of what's printed on those cards.

Let this thread be a warning to anyone willing to accept a free tarot reading by any witch on ATS or other place.

That witch craft is a sin against God and you are making your self vulnerable to attack when you do that.

Witchcraft is also forbidden in The Holy Bible.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
Let this thread be a warning to anyone willing to accept a free tarot reading by any witch on ATS or other place.

That witch craft is a sin against God and you are making your self vulnerable to attack when you do that.

Witchcraft is also forbidden in The Holy Bible.

Sorry my friend you seem to be mistaken... Tarot cards are not evil they are simply a tool used to communicate with the subconcious.

They are neither good nor bad just a tool. Much like a computer if you put garbage into them you will get garbage out of them.

Think of it as being not entirely different from the isrealites casting lots to devide up the promised land.

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I've never thought of it that way but what an interesting point of view! Yes, the mind is very powerful.

Devestator,
I've always thought of my cards as a mirror, reflecting back what is going on in my life, reflecting issues my subconscious is sensing under the surface, things that are in my peripheral field of vision consciously so to speak. And, as when you are physically looking in a real mirror, there is the possibility of seeing only what you want or choose to see. Being grounded to reality and learning to detach from the the outcome when I read my cards is what I have to constantly practice. Still learning to do that.

Perhaps things were going on in your life that your subconscious was picking up but that your conscious waking mind balked at verifying and the cards were the tool that allowed your consciousness/sub consciousness to manifest said "thing/s" in your reality. Hope that makes sense?!

Also, having been raised, born and bred a 3x a week church goin' Southern Baptist, believe me when I say maybe it's time to examine your thoughts on organized religion and come to some kind of terms with your inner self over it because the mind/psyche has a real hard time dealing with dichotomies (opposing points of view) within itself and more often than not experiences cognitive dissonance (discomfort) because of it. ie: you practice Tarot, yet believe it's a major sin in the eyes of the church.......it makes you uncomfortable, no? so why do you do it? See where I'm going with this?

Me? I got over my religious upbringing long ago--and grew all the more spiritual because I let it go. All I'll say here is that people have a right to believe what they want to believe but they do not have the right to shove their beliefs down my throat.

Good luck with whatever path you choose.
Namaste

reply to post by hudsonhawk69


Then why do only witches use tarrot cards?

reply to post by Devestator

Hi Devestator,

I agree with many other posters here -- there is nothing wrong with the Tarot -- they are simply a group of cards that represent the potentialities life may present and work by using your own intuition and the intuition of the reader, so they are not capable of 'acting' on their own, if you follow my meaning: they do not hold harmful energies in and of themselves (but should be cleared after each read).

I have read for hundreds of people over a 25 year period and have never connected them with anything other than guidance...and gentle guidance at that. Accurate guidance. My own feedback from folks is that the cards were right on and that the advise given was well-issued. I have also read my own cards from time to time and again, they either confirmed and validated my own feelings, or gave solid suggestions/advise. I have had paranormal experiences, but they were never connected to Tarot cards.

I have to ask whether you have ever played with a Ouija board because that certainly IS a doorway for all manner of entities, especially if you don't know what you are 'playing with' (fire). That is one oracle I have always sensed an odd (I don't want to say evil) energy around -- and I have not (nor will I ever) played with one.

As with anything that makes you feel confused, scared or anxious, keeping that 'anything' within your home will produce toxic and dark energy -- so if you feel as though something is threatening about a deck (or 'anything' else), get rid of it. And don't play with things you don't understand (no offense).

Namaste
GI

Wow, there is a lot of very good insights about Tarot in this thread!

I read Tarot for several years,
until I got to a point where I really did not need them anymore as they are just a tool.

I still do use them on occasion, but my deck was destroyed after 13 years worth of use.
I have never gotten another deck that felt "special" to me, and as anyone who reads Tarot knows, your deck is YOUR deck. Once it is tuned into your vibrations, it becomes almost magical.

One of these days I will go to a store somewhere and get all touchy feely with their tarot decks until I find the right one.

A lot of people have misconceptions of what Tarot really is. You can use them for "fortune telling", and in the right hands they work very well, however, that IS NOT what Tarot is for.

Tarot is a spiritual journey. It begins with card #0, The fool, who is stepping off into the unknown and beginning his spiritual journey, and ends with # XXI The World. All of these cards are the journey of the mystic.

The idea is to start with # 0 The fool,
and to meditate on this card, its meaning and symbols, and then after a period of time you go to card # I, and meditate on that card, all the way through card # 21 The World.

In studying such information, you begin to lift the curtain between worlds as is explained in card # 2, The High Priestess.

The lessons of the Tarot are stored in the sub-conscious mind and as one begins to open their sub-conscious up spiritually, the super-conscious mind begins to filter through as well.
At least this is how it began to work for me.

Dangerous?

It depends on what your belief system is.
If truly used the way they are intended, and if you get the meanings, symbols, and sub-conscious messages, I see nothing dangerous at all, only self-exploration on a mystical level.

reply to post by RevelationGeneration

Why do only witches use Tarot?
That is a silly question.

I will answer this for you as simply as I can.
To you everyone will be a "witch" who messes in the occult as that is what you believe and have been taught.
It is a troll question.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by hudsonhawk69

 

Then why do only witches use tarrot cards?

edit on 26-10-2011 by RevelationGeneration because: (no reason given)

I guess we can thank people like you for the 'dark ages' and the 'Salem witch trials"... Thanks your norrow minded dogmaitic practice of your religion shows us again one of the many blindingly obvious flaws with christianity.

CHEERS...

Its a fable devised by traveling fairs in the 18th century. They used tricks like this and many others to con money from people. They still use these same tricks all over the world today and people still fall for it. Please wake up and stop. Thinking it is true,
Fools are as fools do.

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I was possessed after using the Universal Fantasy Tarot deck.And the demons havent fully got out of me , cause I havent visited a priest yet.

Originally posted by Darkblade71
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

Why do only witches use Tarot?
That is a silly question.

I will answer this for you as simply as I can.
To you everyone will be a "witch" who messes in the occult as that is what you believe and have been taught.
It is a troll question.

I have successfully read tarot for many years, with rather a spooky amount of accuracy ( the feedback shows that anyway !! )
Of course maybe these people are just being polite !!

You know the secret to my success baby ???
It has absolutely nothing to do with a certain gift of cold reading people, oh no, the secret is I am a witch !!

Black cats regularly turn up on my front doorstep, the last one was called fluffy. But she died. Just awaiting the arrival of the next moggy.

Anyway off to fine tune the broomstick....