The American Holocaust: A conspiracy of denial

Very rarely do conspiracy theorists mention the Native Americans as part of a conspiracy. But it is a known fact throughout the founding of America that the Native Americans widely influenced the English, Catholic settlers. This was probably one of the most deadliest wars in the world and it is deeply buried in the archives of the time line.

How could the American society denounce such an amazing culture? Simple, we still do. Of course it wasn't as bad as when it was happening but we still haven't said sorry to those families that were destroyed, the land that we have taken and the culture that we have destroyed forever!

The trials that do make the case from the Native American society is big news and is talked about throughout the media for perhaps a day. The families usually find out who controls their land because the US government will not let them build something on it. The family hears about the American 'Justice' system and sues the government for ownership of the land. Why do we not stop them? In most cases we do, but those that win has so little impact on the American way of life that know one will even care.

During the time of exploration the British and Spanish were sending people to colonize the land. They discovered peaceful societies of people working together. It was a Utopia! People were not fighting over religion, money, goods, land, or anything else. The colonists were confused especially the catholic ones. If catholicism was supposed to be the ideal way of life to lead to internal peace and everlasting life how could these primitive tribes be living like this? The English way was the only way and the church and kingdom was not going to hear about it.

Instead of asking the Native Americans about their gained insight the English assimilated them into their culture or killed all those who opposed. The English were no better than the Borg in Star Trek the Next Generation which echo, “Resistance is Futile!”

Aside from the Catholic Church's oppression of these harmless people they had help from an outside force which furthered manifest destiny, Diseases. According to 'official' records most of the Natives died from diseases from which they never had previous contact. This also raised some suspicion from the Church. How could these people never have gotten these diseases? The Natives were seen as a pure and peaceful society, perhaps the English felt threatened that people will want to convert to this way of life to escape the struggles in England. And many did just that but it wasn't until another 100 years.

This was still during the time or pirates and during the trips to the Americas people regularly came into all out wars with the pirate ships. Luckily for us the pirates never came close to conquering the land that so many others were fighting over. Perhaps they thought that it was not their war.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Very rarely do conspiracy theorists mention the Native Americans as part of a conspiracy. But it is a known fact throughout the founding of America that the Native Americans widely influenced the English, Catholic settlers. This was probably one of the most deadliest wars in the world and it is deeply buried in the archives of the time line.

How could the American society denounce such an amazing culture? Simple, we still do. Of course it wasn't as bad as when it was happening but we still haven't said sorry to those families that were destroyed, the land that we have taken and the culture that we have destroyed forever!

The trials that do make the case from the Native American society is big news and is talked about throughout the media for perhaps a day. The families usually find out who controls their land because the US government will not let them build something on it. The family hears about the American 'Justice' system and sues the government for ownership of the land. Why do we not stop them? In most cases we do, but those that win has so little impact on the American way of life that know one will even care.

During the time of exploration the British and Spanish were sending people to colonize the land. They discovered peaceful societies of people working together. It was a Utopia! People were not fighting over religion, money, goods, land, or anything else. The colonists were confused especially the catholic ones. If catholicism was supposed to be the ideal way of life to lead to internal peace and everlasting life how could these primitive tribes be living like this? The English way was the only way and the church and kingdom was not going to hear about it.

Instead of asking the Native Americans about their gained insight the English assimilated them into their culture or killed all those who opposed. The English were no better than the Borg in Star Trek the Next Generation which echo, “Resistance is Futile!”

Aside from the Catholic Church's oppression of these harmless people they had help from an outside force which furthered manifest destiny, Diseases. According to 'official' records most of the Natives died from diseases from which they never had previous contact. This also raised some suspicion from the Church. How could these people never have gotten these diseases? The Natives were seen as a pure and peaceful society, perhaps the English felt threatened that people will want to convert to this way of life to escape the struggles in England. And many did just that but it wasn't until another 100 years.

This was still during the time or pirates and during the trips to the Americas people regularly came into all out wars with the pirate ships. Luckily for us the pirates never came close to conquering the land that so many others were fighting over. Perhaps they thought that it was not their war.

Your OP is filled with such fantasy I do not know where to begin.

Yeah, that's not true. The Aztecs were doing the whole human sacrifice thing, and the Iroquois and Algonquins got along about as well as the English and the French.

One thing that was true, however, was disease was used as a weapon. Colonists would sell natives blankets from sick people as a weapon knowing they would decimate their populations, but the early colonists faced many dangers and not every welcome was friendly. Not that I blame the tribes either.

Did you copy this out a High school history book, and then add your own liberal dose of religion to it?

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Ha funny thing is I am not liberal. you can't judge by one post

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While I hate to see any culture lost or nearly destroyed, your perception of Native Americans sounds like it was formed out of new age materials. I think various tribes had some good ideas, but to say it was a completely peaceful, utopian society isn't exactly right. Some of them were fierce warriors, some had strange rituals and sacrifice, etc... But like I said, there were some great things they had (have) to offer as well.

Originally posted by jjf3rd77
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you can't judge by one post

I judged no one, you judged your self.

Originally posted by mileysubet
Did you copy this out a High school history book, and then add your own liberal dose of religion to it?

The word: "liberal" was not intended to be political. It was meant to function as a literary device...

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The Vatican played a major role in the Americas.

Some think tanks speculate that we are still paying for "lease rights" set forth.

And that includes the debts to England set forth in the Treaty of Paris that "ended" the Revolutionary War !

The Vatican claimed the land by way of "Columbus"......

The Privileges and Prerogatives Granted to Christopher Columbus April 30, 1492

The Privileges and Prerogatives Granted by Their Catholic Majesties to Christopher Columbus April 30, 1492 established admiralty jurisdiction in the New World.

FERDINAND and ELIZABETH, by the Grace of God, King and Queen of Castile, of Leon, of Aragon, of Sicily, of Grenada, of Toledo, of Valencia, of Galicia, of Majorca, of Minorca, of Sevil, of Sardinia, of Jaen, of Algarve, of Algezira, of Gibraltar, of the Canary Islands, Count and Countess of Barcelona, Lord and Lady of Biscay and Molina, Duke and Duchess of Athens and Neopatria. Count and Countess of Rousillion and Cerdaigne, Marquess and Marchioness of Oristan and Gociano, &c.

. . . . That you, Christopher Columbus, after discovering and conquering the said Islands and Continent in the said ocean, or any of them, shall be our Admiral of the said Islands and Continent you shall so discover and conquer; and that you be our Admiral, Vice-Roy, and Governor in them, and that for the future, you may call and stile yourself, D. Christopher Columbus, and that your sons and successors in the said employment, may call themselves Dons, Admirals, Vice-Roys, and Governors of them; and that you may exercise the office of Admiral, with the charge of Vice-Roy and Governor of the said Islands and Continent, which you and your Lieutenants shall conquer, and freely decide all causes, civil and criminal, appertaining to the said employment of Admiral, Vice-Roy, and Governor, as you shall think fit in justice, and as the Admirals of our kingdoms use to do; and that you have power to punish offenders; and you and your Lieutenants exercise the employments of Admiral, Vice-Roy, and Governor, in all things belonging to the said offices, or any of them; and that you enjoy the perquisites and salaries belonging to the said employments, and to each of them, in the same manner as the High Admiral of our kingdoms does. . . .

Said land claim took effect upon the planting of the Spanish Admiralty Crown flag into the soil of America.

They knew about the Americas. The myth of finding an alternate route to India was propaganda.

A History of Land Claims in the Americas

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It would have been nice if you had backed your claims with links or references and had given concrete examples. Not everyone in the world knows about the native situation in the USA.

I am from north of the border where the indigenous tribes were numerous and did not all get along with each other. However here in the 1600s, the French did have to trade with the native people when their food supplies ran low. They traded food and fur pelts for goods and liquor. (Monseigneur de Laval signed a letter to the Intendent Talon, to water the booze down 5 to 1 as part of the church's political advice to the French rulers.) Some tribes disappeared in the process, the women forced to marry the colonists and their men killed. Their land was seized and despite treaties arranged and signed by various cardinals of the church, there was never any intention to honor them.

FWIW, the Canadian Parliament gave a formal apology to the native peoples for the way they were treated, so some injustices done to them have been recognized by Canada. However the government has dragged its royal backside in settling land claims. At present the famous upcoming pipeline to the Pacific is to run through 5 or 7 (?) native settlements and the indigenous peoples have not yet been consulted about it, despite the law that says they must be, even though the plan is considered finalized. The government's/corporate's viewpoint is that they will consult with them until the natives consent. And they will use jobs as their selling point, even though one chief says the pipeline is to be placed just a few yards from his house.

Native children were physically snatched from the arms of their parents at the age of five and forced to attend residential schools far from their home, not returning home for weekends or holidays. In those places many died of mistreatment and illness, not to mention physical and sexual abuse. They were mostly run by the Catholic and Anglican churches. There was/is a national inquiry into this. There were forced relocations in Labrador, for instance, where the communities almost perished because they lost their way of life. The kids took up sniffing gasoline. The situation in some northern communities is not ideal. Their teen suicide rate, substance abuse and high rate of diabetes is very troubling. And potable water! We give money to third world countries to help them with their impure water, when we have communities without potable drinking water. If it weren't five in the morning, I'd write more lucidly, but I must go to bed.

I think that it is terrible that a whole civilization was destroyed, and of course I feel terrible for those that survived that had to witness such a horrible event. My heart also goes out to the families/relatives that have lived on knowing such an extermination of their ancestors could even have occurred; and was carried out by other human beings at that!

None the less, speaking as a person who's family tree stemmed from these Native Americans(Louise Riel is my great-great-great uncle. If you know your Canadian history you'll know that name.), I think it's time as a society we stop with the whole 'poor, poor Indians' boo hoo, and I say that in the utmost empathy and understanding for the Native peoples of North America.

In Canada Native Indians are exempt from paying taxes(provincial & income tax) or College/University tuition including the books for the course. On top of a limitless free education they are entitled to countless bursaries just because they are 'Indian' as opposed to 'white' students who are lucky if they ever receive $100 from the Government during their secondary education which they only got from being at the top of their class. Native Americans are also entitled to free property on Reservations - most of which is on some of the most beautiful land in world(Canada) - and are offered building incentives non-Natives would never be offered, nor do they ever have to pay property taxes on the land(since they say they don't 'own' the land - why the hell can't non-Indians in Canada be exempt from property taxes as well when they pass land down from their parents/grandparents when their is no name change? Those people faught in those two tiny events called WWI & WWII; I think their was one or two casualties suffered there too.)

I could go on with what Native Americans get handed to them in Canada, but the whole thing is just not worth my time since it is frustrating in this day and age that the whole thing is swept under the rug, and the Natives peoples are basically being paid off which is obviously not working/nor will it ever. The only way that the persecution of Aboriginal people will ever stop is set a date for settlements in the near future and end it there. Let them decide for themselves if they want to pay taxes or for education etc on their land/reservation, but keep it there.

Native peoples always complain about how the 'white people' are responsible for them not being able to 'live' as their ancestors; this is TOTAL BS. They offered a free ride into a very wealthy adulthood, but they choose to blame another race for them not being able to 'Live'. No one is making them say 'F U' to a free education, and install multiple satellite dishes on their paid for homes, and choose social assistance(which is more for natives then 'white' people social assistance I will add) over working, and a bottle over.... anything else.

I am sorry if I sound like a a$$h*le, but coming from someone who has seen, is related to it, and is educated on it, as harsh as my opinion may seem it is the stone cold truth. As I said yes it is terrible what happened hundreds of years ago, or even as recent as 60 years ago by the Catholic Schools to Native children, but sh*t happens. People have been killed and wiped out all throughout human history. Personally I think the whole Aztecs/Mayans using human sacrifices story is BS that was made up historians to justify them being murdered by Europeans, BUT I do not in any way prescribe either to the idea that all Aboriginal people were of an universal and peaceful society.

What about all the middle eastern people that are being killed NOW by Canadians and Americans which Canadian and American citizens don't even know what for anymore! Lol. That is the insane sad truth. Canadian & American citizens don't even know why the hell we are even in a war still with the middle east which has been going on for 10 years! Where are the free homes, educations, tax exempts, incentives, bursaries, etc for all those human beings? The ones that are being killed Right Now.

If people want to come together then they need to stop with all this segregation of singling out races into minorities and arguing over who owns what land. Again coming from someone with a Aboriginal blood line I think it is absolutely ridiculous for Native Indians or ANY Aboriginal person to claim that they 'own' or are the 'rightful owners' to any land on Earth. In case anyone involved in this 'It's mine! No It's mine!' land war all I have to say is 'Hello! there is Over 7 billion people on the Earth! it's 2011!'

No matter what your religious background is/personal thoughts on evolution(how man came to be) there is no way of denying it all started with one or two being(s) that somewhere(Earth/the Moon/Jupiter/Orion's Belt/Ether Realm/wherever) at some point in time made baby beings, yadda, yadda, it's 2011 on Earth, and in that sense we all are thieves of someone ancient persons land. Period.

During the time of exploration the British and Spanish were sending people to colonize the land. They discovered peaceful societies of people working together. It was a Utopia! People were not fighting over religion, money, goods, land, or anything else. The colonists were confused especially the catholic ones. If catholicism was supposed to be the ideal way of life to lead to internal peace and everlasting life how could these primitive tribes be living like this? The English way was the only way and the church and kingdom was not going to hear about it.

Oh boy.
Those peaceful societies were fighting each other with the same intensity as anywhere else. Their elite was just as exploiting as anywhere else. Wars were waged because of religion,money,goods,land and slaves. Just as in the rest of the world.
Englishman who came to America were not Catholics. Spanish,French ,Portugal - yes. You do know that not only Spanish and British settlers came to New World? New Amsterdam - rings a bell? It is New York now ,pal. It was Dutch in origin.
So while what happened to natives is a tragedy ,turning it into something completely mythical without bothering to learn what happened is ,well, a denial in itself.
Read a books about the period. It will help.

It's really quite simple, be it right or wrong. It's called being conquered and the winners always write the history.

The Indian Imprisonment Act, of 1675

Living in New England, and having Native heritage (Choctaw and Cree) I often wonder why there are so few Native Americans....? A little research about the past explains why....and yes, they were exterminated.

This law was actually still on the books in Boston until relatively recently 2005. It was a direct result of the King Phillips war, which was actually incited by Europeans, one Myles Standish, who cut the head off of an Indian Chieftain after having first invited himself over to trade. There still exists a plaque/monument that exposes how Standish was protecting the settlers by carrying out this act ...
And scalping for profit of Indian scalps was also initiated by the settlers....the Indians only responded in kind.

Pilgrim Myles Standish eventually got his bloody prize. He went to the Indians, pretended to be a trader, then beheaded an Indian man named Wituwamat. He brought the head to Plymouth, where it was displayed on a wooden spike for many years, according to Gary B. Nash, "as a symbol of white power." Standish had the Indian man's young brother hanged from the rafters for good measure. From that time on, the whites were known to the Indians of Massachusetts by the name "Wotowquenange," which in their tongue meant cutthroats and stabbers

And hence The Official Story and subsequent wars began...




A brief history of the United States...






The Boston Law
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