When did Stellarium become the know all see all of star gazing?

reply to post by busterbunni


The Flat Earth Myth

I'll admit that I agree with the overwhelming sentiment in this thread that the OP's ideas are pretty asinine, but what else in new on ATS?

Honestly, when I read posts like the OP's I imagine a young, questioning person that is filled with curiosity and doubt if not an adequate amount of scientific knowledge. Now who here among us are scientists? The OP should be guided towards a more enlightened way of thinking about these matter by those who know better, not ridiculed.

Imagine how far we've been set back as a species because people chose not to ask questions for fear of ridicule. Give the kid a break.

Originally posted by Illustronic
It's obvious here that we have another student of denial and with this great gift he proved Einstein's ToR to be wrong. I see so many of these kinds of people with no higher degrees of education in the specific fields they seem to know better, that use a calculator to balance their checkbook, and such disrespect of the field comes from not ever being in the groundwork of said field.

Everything seems easier before you try. I run up to nearing a deadline on a project I have yet to develop a creative on and in my mind runs this scenario of it getting done effortlessly like one of the simple success flashes I may have had in the past. That is until I sit down to work it out and all of a sudden I'm like so far behind I can't sleep.

The OP's a Monday Morning Quarterback...ehem, physicist? Yea I can see that. Still the more you rail against the misinformed and misguided the more defensive they will become to protect their current paradigm. If you want someone to evolve their opinion from its current position then simply attacking the current position will not help. Of course if you want to help someone they need to be complicit at least by admitting they might be wrong, which the OP seems unlikely to do.

Originally posted by nineix

Ooooo, let's see; 'I see a light in the sky and it's really freaking me out because when i look at it I haves bad feelings'.

Enter Sollarium: oh, it's Jupiter.

Glass roofed rooms designed for warmth may help you see the stars, but will not verify that what you see is Jupiter

Stellarium may do it however.

I know lol, just funny...

But I get the OP, to a degree... I can never work out how to use stallarium properly tho.. :/

Originally posted by busterbunni
reply to post by NoNameBrand

 

The same reasons that things on Earth are hidden from view, I don't completely understand why but apparently some of our Earth's terrain is need to know. That couldn't be true for the sky then right, only for Earth?

What are you talking about?

What parts of the earth are 'need to know' except for private government places by which the ability to see from above can give nefarious persons a possible manner to attack?

Please please please do not tell me you think that the stitching methods used, the image capturing methods used and the fact that some areas have not yet been captured at full resolution, is evidence that something is being covered up.

Perhaps google street view is also hiding something, because I can't see the blue lines depicting street view capabilities on that dirt road leading out to an old shack in the middle of the outback.. must be a coverup!!!

reply to post by busterbunni


You know the little kids in Africa, the ones starving and dieing. The people starving and dieing even in Western countries. Thats a Third World Problem. Yours sir is a true First World Problem.

Seeing you bag a free, editable, easy-to-use skyviewing program is about as low as one gets here on ATS.

When you've hit rock bottom, the only way is up.

Random kid:
I don't trust Stellarium because it told me that light in the sky that is really freaking me out is Jupiter, and whenever I see that light in the sky it gives me a bad feeling so it just can't be Jupiter, so I don't trust Stellarium.

Enter a dozen other free sky viewers available for online viewing or download:
It's still Jupiter kid, no matter how much it freaks you out. It's just Jupiter., calm down.

Random kid:
I can't calm down because I know in my heart that it really can't be Jupiter, and since I know in my heart that it isn't Jupiter that means that all the free online and open source downloadable programs like Stellarium must be controlled by the secret shadow government, so I can't trust any of them.

Enter Giorgio A. Tsoukalos:
Could it be POSSIBLE that this LIGHT, in the SKY, just MAY BE an ancient race of ALIEN visitors coming to show US how to stack rocks on top of each other? MAYBE!

Random kid:
oooo, I'll trust that guy cuz you just can't get hair more epic than that and he's on tv.

I think the OP's question has been thoroughly answered. It just seems to me the OP is miffed that people use it to debunk what people are viewing in the evening sky. Jupiter has been the latest culprit appearing in many threads as to what is near the moon in the early morning hours.
Sorry, I can not help someone in these forums out, by letting view it in my scope, so stellarium is the easiest to referrence. if you already know the basic constellations, it would be very hard for stellarium to make it up.

I was out smoking about 10 minutes ago. Tracked an object going North, it flared bright then went dim as it continued. I could have took pics and loaded it over in the UFO threads.. I looked up on the Simple Satelitte tracker from spaceweather and found my answer. I'm sure there are more not listed do to security reasons, but the list is fairly accurate.

reply to post by busterbunni


No, because you can use other things to stuck a nail on a wall, but a hammer is a affordable tool made specifically for that.

More than 30 years ago, somewhere in the previous millennium, before I had access (or even know that would have a computer in the future, at the time banks, insure and airlines were the only sure place where we could find a computer, one with those spinning roles of magnetic tape) to the Internet, I used a book (that I still have) to do the same thing. At the time that was the most affordable and easy way of knowing where to look for stars and (with the help of some tables from another source) planets.

reply to post by mugger


I was going to guess an Iridium flare on your mention of the object flaring bright.
Was it an Iridium or another other satellite flare?

Originally posted by busterbunni
Not according to what they teach children in school today, so how was it accepted as common knowledge way back then but not taught as fact thereafter?

Maybe not on the schools you know, or even in a country-wide level, on your whole country, but that's what they teach in other countries.

From another post of yours:

I use all available rescources I can find to answer a question when I have one. The question comes first and I try to look at many sites, as well as other peoples observation to arrive at a conclusion that I find to be plausible at that time. That doesn't mean my question is answered because I continue to observe and take into account other sources. I try to keep an open mind because I don't have the knowledge of absolute certainty, and I also assume other people use some of the same techniques as myself. I believe in the existence of things we can hear and see as well as things we can't. The only thing I can say with absolute faith is that I don't know everything and everything I do know I try to question.

That's what I do, but I use a "weight" system, with things getting different "weights" in my mind according to my interpretation of the information I find, so I never consider one explanation as absolutely certain and all others absolutely wrong, I just "bring some to the front" and keep the others on the "back burner" in the vent they may turn out right after all, even partially.

So, if I were (is it "if I was" or "if I were"?) in you position, doubting sources because they may be connected or controlled by government or whatever, I wouldn't had any real reason to doubt some source that was confirmed by people from all over the World. Also, I never use my feelings as proof of anything, that way I know that it's easier not be affected by some bias I may have.

Or at least that's what I try to do.

reply to post by nineix


CZ-4B R/B 06:43:09 am ,Pretty positive it was that. Somewhat cloudy which may have obscured it more

reply to post by ArMaP

I used a book (that I still have)

Imagine that. I still have a few around also. When i was a child, my Aunt got me started. We took coat hangers, bent them into a square and covered with plastic wrap. Layed the hanger over the constellation in the book and copied it with white out. Went outside and they aligned perfectly. I think my brother has the book and was a great way to get started sky watching.

Big difference between free software like Stellarium, and crap malware such as Google Earth.

If it were up to me, I'd prosecute Google for installing crap on american's machines. GoogleEarth and other tools they provide could be as non intrusive as Stellarium,

except that a crap company like them wouldn't know how to do anything simple, or without a malware type of schema. They simply must make their software phone home, and collect data, and create vulnerabilities.

Simplicity is impossible, for the truly stupid. So I would choose Stellarium-type programmers and software (simple, free) over GoogleAnything.

reply to post by LaughingatHumanity


sumerians called Jupiter Nibiru !!!...and i ask you a common sense question : since when planet are shining like stars????

Originally posted by sabalsis1972
since when planet are shining like stars????

What do you mean by that?

Originally posted by busterbunni

Originally posted by Violater1
I wasn't aware of this "know all, see all" attribute, but it is an easy reference to use.

Try asking anyone on here a question about the stars and see how many times people respond with check Stellarium...

And?? If the said star shows up in stellarium you will know which object it is instead of guessing or making wild theories. But i guess people like you aren't interested in the truth?

Originally posted by Chamberf=6
reply to post by busterbunni

 

Ok we get it. You dislike Stellarium. What do you use? Why (if you use Anything) is it better?

How can you "trust" the info you use? Couldn't it be part of a gigantic worldwide conspiracy too? And all those amateur astronomers and star gazers around the world? -- All conspiring to feed You false info, right?

:shk:

edit on 10/15/2011 by Chamberf=6 because: (no reason given)

I bet he uses his imagination. ;\

Originally posted by busterbunni
reply to post by Chamberf=6

 

I attempt to use an unbiased outlook, try to use an ever changing mentality and take into account others experience combined with what my government (schools) told me to believe. Somewhere in the middle there is a truth of sorts I guess... debate seems to spark hostility here.. lots of I'm right you aren't so you are all right! Congratulations.

So what exactly are you saying then?? That the objects/stars/planets listed in stellarium is in fact something else??

Originally posted by sabalsis1972
reply to post by LaughingatHumanity

 

sumerians called Jupiter Nibiru !!!...and i ask you a common sense question : since when planet are shining like stars????

What the heck do you mean??? They look similar to stars because they REFLECT sunlight, which i thought was something that was common knowledge and even taught in elementary school??