Which Republican Candidate Has The Best Plan To Create Jobs ?

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by beezzer

 

Ron Paul will release his comprehensive tax plan on Monday and that includes zero income tax.

Cain's 9-9-9 plan is a disaster. 9% income + 9% national sales + 9% corporate tax + local state tax = mega strain on the lower and middle class.

If Paul comes up with something better, then great.

As for Cain's plan? It's as close to a flat tax/fair tax as I've seen.

Everyone should pay.
No exceptions.

Before Ron Paul counts on ending the FED and returning to a gold standard, he might want to verify that the gold that is supposedly in Fort Knox is actually there. We all know the story of how every new POTUS goes into his 'orientation' meeting and comes out looking like he's seen a ghost? Well, maybe they have just found out a few not so pleasant facts...

I'm reading through these, and I'm just... wow... WOW.

These are the stupidest mother#ers ever to set foot in a presidential campaign. What the hell, republicans? Is this really your best? I mean... wow, holy #!

First... Michelle Bachman... nothing new here, just GWB's economic plan packaged in an even craxier, more fundamentalist head. Insanity is defined by performing the sameactions and hoping for new results (frankly that applies to all contenders in this case, but at least the rest try tio shake it up.)

Herman Cain... i'm sorry, did this guy really run a business? if so, I hope he wasn't handling the accounting, for the sake of the investors, 'cause... Okay, look guys, seriously? You can get better economics out of a goddamned "Calvin and hobbes" comic strip than this guy. "A dollar must always be a dollar"? What the hell does that mean? Someone give this schmuck a rundown on how currency works. PLEASE, i beg someone, anyone, explain the natural cycles of inflation and deflation! Explain that currency value is relative to the cost of products! Give this bastard some basics, like supply and demand! UGH!

Newt Gingrich... Good ol' newt. Whenever you need some good old fashioned 1994-style cognitive dissonance, ol' Newt's right there ready to help. let's see, decrease taxes? Check. make foreign investment a priority? Check. Follow Reagan's monetary policies to beat inflation? Che- ...uh, wait.Really? 'Cause part of Reagan's plan to stop runaway inflation was an INCREASE on taxes. besides, high inflation makes the dollar cheaper, which is what attracts foreign investment (this is why Japan was buying up so much American business back in the early 80's, folks - our high inflation made it a good return investment). The really sad thing is... I don't think Newt even understands what the hell he's saying. he's just repeating a stack of right-wing dogma, totally ignorant of the contradictions inherent to the message.

Ron Paul... See Michelle Bachman. seriously. Same damn thing.

Huntsman, Perry, Romney... "OBAMA SUCKS VOTE FOR ME I'M WHITE AND HAVE A PENIS" Yeah, vapid empty nothing. Huntman at least scores some points for creativity; rather than the usual "I have good ideas, elect me to find out more!" he basically has an angry blog post going.

Santorum... Okay I admit, I didn't look at Rick Santorum's. I know Rick Santorum, and I already know, he's not going to be delivering any economic holy grails. Frankly I'm terrified that if I look at his plan, it'll just be a mass of Zalgo-style text on a flashing background or something

So, to answer the question, "which republican candidate has the best plan to create jobs?" - Wow man, that's a tough one. None of these plans will create jobs. A few of them will actually DESTROY jobs. Three of them don't even present a plan. it's clear that none of the above are willing to - or perhaps even capable of - understanding the systems our economy works on. They're so tied up in that Grand Old Partisan religion, so mired in the rut that "tax cuts fix everything" that they are probably utterly and completely unable to even TRY.

So who has the best platform? None. All of them should be run over by a #ing truck, THAT'S how utterly miserable all of them are on this score. Run. Over. With. A. Truck.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox
Why don't you tell us how you really feel Obam- er, I mean Walking Fox.

reply to post by beezzer


Becuase how I really feel is best-represented with two pages of Russian profanity, the result of my feeble mortal mind trying to absorb the elder God-level of stupidity found in these candidates... and the mods don't like people posting in Cyrillic

reply to post by easynow


It's exceptionally hard for a President to effect the economy at all, let alone hold it's hand to get jobs and growth .. in the end it takes hundreds of thousands of Dollars to create a single middle class job that is unlikely to even be permanent.

All of those plans require a huge expenditure of money.. whether chucking hundreds of billions of Dollars out the window and hope for a few construction jobs (Obama) or pushing the tax burden onto the middle class (repubs) either way.... it fails.

Because Government isn't the answer. So I'll vote for the guy that promises not to do a damn thing except VETO.

reply to post by beezzer


I like the 9-9-9 plan but it's far to low, it would need to be at least 15-15-15 unless you wanted to see the economy grind to a halt.

reply to post by Rockpuck


Ron Paul believes if government spending can be cut to year 2000 levels (very doable), a zero income tax is realistic and also doable.

reply to post by Rockpuck


A 15% national sales tax, following Cain's plan... a plan which, you'll note, overlays on top of regional sales taxes. So for example, here in King County, Washington, that would be a grand total of a 25% sales tax.

I'll never understand "conservatives." I've never met so many people who are willing to stick their hands in the garbage disposal for no good reason.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by beezzer

 

I like the 9-9-9 plan but it's far to low, it would need to be at least 15-15-15 unless you wanted to see the economy grind to a halt.

7-7-7 would be better.
It woulf force government to reduce spending.

reply to post by beezzer


Governments never shrink ... the grow till either they destroy us or we destroy them. But they never reduce themselves in a permanent fashion. That makes any massive income reduction impossible.. tax receipts would have to maintain current levels.

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Erm I'll never understand Progressive trolls so I guess we will ponder our ignorance for eternity.

And King County is the kind of place where a sales tax would be the poster child for fair tax... all those upper-middle class and wealthy spending like there's no tomorrow .. yes .. the rich and the wealthy all would be significantly more in sales tax than any other tax ----- because you don't get sales tax back.

America could sustain itself if need be. We did before.First Americans have to live withing their means!!!!!!!That being said,a good dose of isolationism,coupled with heavy tariffs for crap coming into this country. End most favored nation status,with China.Bring our troops home,and have them protect our borders,and help daily Americans fix infrastructure.. Give Businesses that produce in America,have workers in America,tax breaks. End the Fed. Get out of the UN. Stop all immigration to this country for 5 years. Let States do what they were designed to do,run themselves. Just a few things I feel could make this country great again,in 1-5 years.Buy American!!!

The problem with this thread, for me, is very simple..........

The Government can not create jobs. They have never created jobs. The Private sector is what creates jobs.

This whole idea that Government can wave a magic wand and create anything is false.

reply to post by beezzer

As for Cain's plan? It's as close to a flat tax/fair tax as I've seen. Everyone should pay. No exceptions.

typical reponse the 999 plan is just like the canadian version of the HST Tax which is hurting alot of canadians if the 999 plan passes the food prices and other everday items the prices on them will increase Cain supported the bailouts for wall street.

A tax plan is not a jobs plan !

and Cains 999 pizza deal will create more uncertainty

and for me ... it would be a tax increase

Cain's 9-9-9 tax plan is simple: Most will simply pay more

When it comes to Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain's proposed 9-9-9 tax plan, there’s one thing all sides agree on: it’s very simple.

If you're a corporation, own a small business or count yourself among the richest Americans, you'll simply love it. If not, you'd simply pay a lot more in taxes.

bottomline.msnbc.msn.com...

Herman Cain does not have a jobs plan

so ... I don't see why anyone would even vote for him

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by beezzer

 

Ron Paul will release his comprehensive economic plan on Monday and that includes zero income tax.

Cain's 9-9-9 plan is a disaster. 9% income + 9% national sales + 9% corporate tax + local state tax = mega strain on the lower and middle class.

edit on 14-10-2011 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

Waiting for Dr Pauls plan patiently...........................

Cain,well hes already been caught fudging the truth,so hes out, in the list of hopefuls....in my book. This country has enough liars,running the show.

reply to post by MrWendal

The Government can not create jobs.

That's not entirely true

They have never created jobs.

What's this then ?

Government has created many jobs we benefit from

Two and a half million Americans were provided with a job between 1933-1942, created by government, and the nation is better for it.

www.idahopress.com...

Infrastructure Spending Builds American Jobs
Public Investments Help Private Businesses Create Jobs

Fortunately, there is something very simple the federal government can do about these problems: Put more resources into infrastructure investment. We know from very recent experience that infrastructure investments deliver the goods for job creation and business growth.

www.americanprogress.org...

The Private sector is what creates jobs

For the majority of job creation, that is true

This whole idea that Government can wave a magic wand and create anything is false.

Then why is Boehner asking Obama ....


Where Are The Jobs?
JohnBoehner - Youtube channel



And why are Speaker Boehner's constituents now asking Him "where are the jobs" ?

Boehner Confronted by His Own Constituents for Failing to Create Jobs

www.jackandjillpolitics.com...

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by easynow

 

The government (R or D) should not be in the business to create jobs.

The only thing that they should do (in relation to the thread) is to create an environment where people/businesses will start hiring.

That would include a comprehensive tax plan.

So, by default, I'd have to say Cain.

Beez

I have to go with Beez on this one. Job creation can't be implemented by political parties.

The only thing that will create jobs is for there to be more disposable income from the people that do have jobs.
Currently the middle class is scared and they aren't spending like they used to. They have drastically cut back their spending.

For the American economy [jobs/spending] to improve, a new sense of optimism in the future, a new vibrant paradigm needs to evolve. Ending the wars would be a first step. People are weary of war and the constant threat of war. Depressed people hoard, they don't spend.

reply to post by whaaa

Ending the wars would be a first step. People are weary of war and the constant threat of war

Unfortunately,

that's not going to happen anytime soon

so what's plan B ?