Avatar: The Heart of the World.. Are "Godmen" among us?

Originally posted by Nosred
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Who are you that assumes to know the nature of a god?

Lets just say my dealings with him/her/all and a angel/godman in a human form have given me some insight to how I am supposed to know him/her/all. We all have our own reality that have its own view of god that will probably be wrong in the end. Who cares if I get the details wrong. But It seem he/she/all have a very specific way that he/she/all want to show him/her/all as to me. Namaste

Originally posted by tetra50
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This reply is actually to apushforenlightenment's post above....

I am sorry, but I think you may have misunderstood my question... I certainly wasn't talking about children, when I referred to something being born which was right and good....I was talking really about a movement
Of awakening, just like you seem to be, if I understand correctly. And if you read my other posts in this thread, you will see that I totally agree and believe that many have this "light" inside them, and have the capacity to spread a change for the human race, just like you are talking about. I hope very much for this as well. Do you think I don't understand the control, the level of it and am thoroughly disgusted and disheartened by it. That's really what I was trying to say, was with the level of control we are all under, I am not sure that we won't end up awakening to our very own slavery and slaughter. Let me be very clear on this point. This is what I was talking about, and worrying that we will be divided and conquered by the very awakening you are speaking of, because the controllers have planned and maintained and instigated an incredible level of control--such as eugenics, technology for mind control, chips allowing for remote control, mechanisms that if you think about it, and combine that with the powerful bring part of the same cabal and using these techs and psedo science to engineer this race in such a way, our awakening, as you call it, could very well be being orchestrated, as I believe many of our difficult paths which you speak about, have been and perhaps even our physical health or lack thereof....to slow us down.

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I have my own proof that it's not the "power to be" here that are controling me by what have happened to me. You have a beutiful mind that can think very very deep. That is both a blessing and a curse. I love you as a soul brother. Namaste

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
I think that the biggest obstacle or hindrance to our realization of God-consciousness, is 1) the degree to which we take our experience of being alive for granted and 2) what we already presume know about ourselves, our fellow man, and our life

With an open mind and heart, that is open to new possibilities and to the mystery of life there remains, until it is made, the possibility of making contact with God as the All-in-All.

Free of all judgement we are then free to enter through the gate and into the sacred space of the holy of holies and therein come to know as we are known.

But can we enter this gate if not led to do so, and who can pass through it unless a way has been made by the one who is the height of the twin pillars of justice and mercy?

In Him we are then granted the power to become children of God, and since children don't remain children for ever, future God's in our own right, where the greatest among us are the servants of all.

Regardless of what we do, or what our material economic stature may be, we then are given the power to steward and to govern his kingdom according to the governing dynamic and principal, of love.

"Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven."

You and i are the same but different soulbrother. I will frase it as ALL is One and One is ALL. Servent of god=Servent of all. Reasearching god=trying to understand everyting (yourself, physical reality, spirituality). To walk thru the gate and be reborn and be like a child again and learn to let go of hate, ego, fear. To become what you was before you where tought wrongly. To know the angel of silences is listening but not speaking in the way we are used to. From my point is "May our will be done on earth as in heaven". But do not send me to a place that im not ready for. If my going to heaven will destroy heaven then send me somewhere else. Already been in a mental hell and survived but I am still healing so probably not ready for heaven yeet. Pride and some hate have not yeet left me. Namaste.

All you who don't get anything from what im writing can just ignore it. It's ranting from a crazy person as if any of us (humans) on this planet is sane. .

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I like how you brought up the issue of trust.

That's the key to heaven, imho.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by tetra50

 

With faith the size of but a tiny seed (maybe even as small as a photon of light who knows?) you will be able to say to the mountain (of causation) move, and it will move.

Once the irrational and unreasonable principal of the utter absurdity of "modern" human thought is undone, and once that self is undone, the one for whom there is never enough to satisfy, once that one passes away, and love is reborn, then at that precise moment, you yourself are the "omegapoint" of the cosmogenesis of the noosphere, the new creation.

it can happen in the twinkling of an eye, whereby every fear is removed, beginning with circumstantial fear with respect to one's own life, and then extending outward, to embrace the whole sphere of human being, blowing away and sending "into the abyss" all evil, which at core is rooted in ignorance, and misunderstanding. "There is nothing now hidden which will not be brought to light and made known."

These are fundmantal principals of evolution and historical transformation.

We must remember I think that "Christianity has a chip in play" (Terrance McKenna).

The chip is up in the air, since we do not know just who and what we really are, and cannot.

The 20th Century was the "Century of the Self"

The 21st shall be remembered, I tell you in all truth (said like Jesus) - as the "Century of the Human Being"! (listen to my little brother here he knows what he's talking about

)

But there is no global human being unless and until the individual is raised high all over the world, not the nation and most certainly not the corporation, but the human being, as a person.

Our personhood then (when placed in God), is the most powerful force in the universe for historical change from every dimension.

Do not be afraid therefore, nor let your heart be troubled. Just stand relative to it, in and with higher understanding, and smile (what else is there to do?).

Resist not evil. In fact, Ignore it altogether (the devil hates that).

We're in good shape. My typing this and you reading it and getting it "grokking" it most fully

means that we're in good shape.

What - you don't think a mere seed of faith can move a mountain?

Oh ye of such little faith!

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I am made to be like I am and I have faith that what will happen is meant to happen. I trust that I will get the tool I need when I need it. Evolution unfortunatly takes time and it's one step at a time. And that it takes so long time is annoying me like an itch I cant scratch . Is it not nice to know that whatever happens is not the end. When you let go of your life you figure out that everything that seem so important is so small in the scale of everything. Unfortunaly I have to deal with the small things and yes I am sometimes really pissed of at the race called Homo Sapiens Ego. But i know they can evolve into Homo Sapiens Sapiens or Homo Sapiens Spiritus so I love their potential. Namaste

reply to post by apushforenlightment


Those are kind words, and your love is much appreciated, and I extend the same to you, as well, as a loving sister. I never said I knew WHO, and I think that is one of the biggest challenges in facing us, knowing what is being done, but not knowing the face behind the mask, because there are many wearing masks, and able to look like many to the point of making the innocent guilty, and the guilty, innocent. But I appreciate our exchange of ideas very much. Please take care

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Cool topic and cool videos, thank you for posting.

Hey, have you ever read Meher Baba's "Highest of the High" message? He leaves no doubt about where he thinks he is in the "spiritual hierarchy" of Creation....

www.avatarmeherbaba.org...

He was also very careful to define the word "Avatar"--decades before anyone else, as far as I can tell. Baba said the same one God takes human form as the Avatar every 700 to 1,400 years (when the world most needs a "spiritual kick in the butt"--my words). He said God came down as Zarathustra, then Rama, then Krishna, later as Buddha, then Christ, then Muhammad, and finally as Meher Baba. In each advent, the Avatar gives humanity the same one Truth from a different angle, as much as that time and culture can hold. Sometimes the Prophet says, "I am God." Sometimes he says "I'm the son of God" (but "the Father and I are one," wink wink). Sometimes he says, "I talked to God, I know Him personally." As Buddha he avoided the word God entirely, and cut right to the chase--the end of suffering, the Bliss beyond illusion. Whatever people can accept. Why be counter-productive by saying too much before it's the right time to reveal the more hidden truths?

Baba also said we are all God--the same one God (but retaining Infinite Individuality, each of us, even after God-realization, which is the ultimate, final and complete enlightenment)--but most of us haven't woken up to it yet. So he is also saying that there is no difference between him and us, we just don't know it yet. It's a matter of removing the focus of our consciousness from illusion and all our attachments/fears relating to it, and turning it to Reality, instead.

One bridge to this Reality is the Avatar in whichever form you relate to best...and if that's Jesus for you, I believe you already have your own Avatar/Master.

But since Meher Baba seems to be on your mind...and you seem to already have a relationship established with Christ...why don't you just ask Jesus what he thinks of Baba? Ask him who Meher Baba really is? Just ask him to show you? You can do that. If you ask sincerely, if you really want to know...he will answer you.

It took me over a year to understand the reasons for Meher Baba's suffering. When I finally got it, it was hard to hold the tears in.

Thanks again for everything you shared, I really enjoyed your sincerity, even when I saw it a bit differently....

And let's not forget the most famous phrase Meher Baba is known for:

"Don't worry, be happy!"

(What, who thought it was Bobby McFerrin?)

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I think some confusion arises unless one makes a distinction between those undergoing a spiritual awakening, and those experiencing a certain degree of enlightenment, and finally those who experience a complete and total enlightenment--God-realization.

I believe there are many people in the world today--millions--undergoing some degree of awakening. Even as the old paradigm totters (organized religion, reality TV, the economy, etc.) and Illusion reaches its height (anger, lust, greed, gluttony, etc.), at the same time, I see millions of others becoming more intuitive, seeking deeper meaning....establishing a new paradigm, a New Life.

Then there are apparently thousands (possibly millions) of those, who, generally keeping it to themselves, experience higher states of consciousness--without the use of substances. Many of them live in India, where the culture is more understanding and accommodating of those going through this process. They care little for material things, and only want to remain in their God-intoxicated bliss. Or some remain more sober and functional in the world, as saints, yogis or saliks.

And finally, you have your God-men, and God-women. Meher Baba cited numerous examples throughout history: Rumi, Hafiz, Tukaram, Zarathustra, Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Kabir, Hazrat Babajan, Narayan Maharaj, Sai Baba of Shirdi (not the one with the afro), and many more. He said there are five present in the world at all times, in charge of Creation, but all one in consciousness as God.

I spent years trying to figure this out, until Meher Baba clarified it for me in just 15 pages of his book, God Speaks, which explains the entire journey of the soul from beginning to end. As another poster said, Baba said there are seven planes of consciousness one experiences as the veil falls away and one remembers that one was God all along. There is an increasing amount of bliss and truth that one experiences as one proceeds on this journey, according to Baba. It's so much more blissful than one's old, physical life, that it seems one must be enlightened. But there is further to go, yet, one realizes, if one is honest with oneself--until the 7th plane, the ultimate Liberation.

Some more examples Baba gave of those in the higher, saintly planes of consciousness (5th or 6th plane) were St. Teresa of Avila, St. Catherine, Krishnamurti, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and St. Augustine. I've read enough of their works now to see a consistent pattern in what Baba described about them. They're all individuals, but who all reflect certain distinct states of mind.