Can We Stop?

Can we stop all of this anonymous fuss? All it does is give them publicity when they don't deserve it. This isn't attacking other people who post anonymous news in any way. It's just that all of these "Anon" guys are really just a bunch of jokes. They never live up to what they say they're going to do, and when they actually do live up to their words it's hardly newsworthy. Even for ATS. I don't know who's bright idea it was to give a bunch of pedophiles from 4chan any publicity or power of any sort.
Their Guy Fawkes masquerade is also getting very old. I get it, you guys think you're badass. If anyone is going to start a revolution, it's NOT GOING TO HAPPEN THROUGH THE INTERNET. I know the internet is a big part of our society these days, but not enough to the point where anyone can make a visible impact on anything. So in short, can we please stop pretending we care about these people?

P.S They ruined my favorite movie/comic book.

You are absolutely correct. The internet has no place in revolution.

They shut it down in Egypt not because it was helping people to organize, but just to be mean. What meanies!

www.theatlanticwire.com...

reply to post by TinkerHaus


So, yeah, it's being argued that the internet did anything in Egypt, proving my point. Revolutions have happened through the age of man without the help of the internet.

Which, I can see how the internet can provide people with communication, as have carrier pigeons, the radio, phones, etc. but that's not really what i'm talking about. I'm talking about DoS attacks that get fixed within days and so forth.

i could be wrong but i believe that tinker was being sarcastic... so where did you get the information on the real members of Anon? how did you then track them and find child porn on their computers? also how did law enforcment react when you turned them in?


seems to me your just angry and have given up. so since the net is being used to organize protests, such as in the BART shooting incident, it is a valuable tool for getting things started.

how do you propose getting out the word and organizing protests, since it seems the net wont work for you.

also i had never heard of 4chan til Skeptic Overlord mentioned it in one of his threads as a source for memes...

reply to post by CaDreamer


Haha I actually lol'd at the first part. I've never gone on 4chan by my own decision for any extended period of time, but I have a friend who browses 4chan and similar sites and she linked me a picture of encyclopediadramatica.com of a grown man kissing a little kid on the lips while they were in a pool. Which kind of gave off the pedophilia vibe. I guess I wasn't fair in saying Anon as a whole were pedophiles, but sites they're related to have some weird stuff on them.

And like I said, the internet is certainly useful for communicating with others, but DoS attacks and other hacks do very little. At the end of the day when organizing a revolution, the internet can only do so much.

reply to post by StopFearMongering


there are places on the internet where there is no censorship...the freenet... 4chan is a loose example, yes there is objectionable content there, no that is not all that is there. there are places of free expression of thought. where no topic is taboo, there are no T&C to violate. revolutions are often planned in pubs.
I cant say i endorse such sites, but if you wanted to be able to meet in and where worried about the govt spying on you because you planned to start a revolution, then yeah that is exactly where i would expect such people to smartly disappear in to discuss their plans nefarious or not.

Anon is pretty useless to be honest, if you're trying to find a new meme for your favorite social forum or looking for pornography (and yes, in fact pedophiles (at least in thought if not action) do in fact make up a sizeable demographic at /b/) then yeah, check out 4chan... if you're trying to reputably catalyze social change or create a platform for revolution then I have to imagine you have better outlets on the internet.
That said it can be an amusing site and clearly has a market as evidenced by the masses who flock to it, I don't dispute that it is a major player in the internet viral market; but those who try to force the site onto another level as an agent of change are jokes, even on /b/ where "Project Chanology" is viewed with a mix of pity and contempt.

I just think that before one condemns those more ambitious than oneself one should try to do something to create the kind of change he or she desires.

I can't say whether or not you have.

I, personally, have more respect for those that fight for their convictions than those who are afraid to do anything more than complain.

Just like the OWS protests, these attacks are symbolic. They are not meant to be a fatal blow, but rather a call to arms.

reply to post by TinkerHaus


I can appreciate the symbolic gestures, but calling others to arms is just about the same as not doing anything then complaining about things.

reply to post by Streets


Couldn't have said it better.

reply to post by StopFearMongering


For a protest to be effective it needs to have enough support to prove to the establishment that it is a popular movement. Without calling for reinforcements how would this be accomplished?

I know in theater the idea of a spontaneous musical makes sense, but that doesn't happen in real life. You have to raise awareness and slowly bring people on board.

reply to post by TinkerHaus


Because at the end of the day if your government is afraid of uprisings organized by the internet, they'll just shut down the internet. That being said I am still skeptical about how much of a part the internet has played in the recent liberation of the middle east.