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Jesus said: If those who lead you say to you: See, the kingdom is in heaven, then the birds of the heaven will go before you; if they say to you: It is in the sea, then the fish will go before you. But the kingdom is within you, and it is outside of you. When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will know that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you are in poverty, and you are poverty.

-Gospel of St Thomas.

The catholic church and Judaism and their sadistic circumcision rituals.

[ His disciples said to him, "Is circumcision beneficial or not?"
He said to them, "If it were beneficial, their father would beget them already circumcised from their mother. Rather, the true circumcision in spirit has become completely profitable." ]

This thread is right up that alley. It comes from the very same place of deceit.

aren't comfortable with.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by colbe

 

seagull,

I like your underlined. I disagree about sharing the faith...
Are we not to shout it from the rooftops what we hold most dear?

a quote from the Holy Father ~

"Anyone who has discovered Christ must lead others to Him.
A great joy cannot be kept to oneself. It has to be passed on."

World Youth Day, 2005

If by shouting it from the rooftops you mean a constant repetitive chorus of "our way is the only way to Truth", while denigrating all other beliefs, and/or behaviors, then no you shouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops. There are ways to share the word without being obnoxious... I leave it up to you, and others, to define obnoxious.

When one finds happiness, and fulfillment, in their lives, regardless of the reason, and no one is being hurt; who are we to judge? You, quite obviously, find a certain level of happiness in your religion. Others find it in other ways, some that perhaps others aren't comfortable with. That, dare I say it, isn't the problem of the one who has found their happiness. It lies with the one condemning.

I thought my comments to you were positive, you sound like "the one condemning." Are you saying
I repeat? I am trying to reply to a few hundred posts with the same three objections. "Aren't comfortable
with" is a way to know something is a sin. God has given everyone a way to know, no matter their upbring and belief, the natural order and a conscience.

Jesus not me said in the message certain "behaviors" are a motal sin. God is warning He is not going stand
for them much longer.

reply to post by anoncoholic



"These sexual sins are calling on My punishment for HOMOSEXUAL ACTS AND FORNICATION.

and this is an example of the duality of meaning. Is it written to imply Jesus should be punished?"

How do you interpret this from Our Lord's words in the message Anon?
"My" is referring to God, Jesus is God, second person of the Blessed Trinity.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
The Vatican is the epitome of evil and hypocrisy. The richest country in the world that claims to be religious has more pagan or Egyptian symbols and obelisks then anywhere else in the world. There is hardly anything religious about the church and Catholicism is the fake religion meant to alienate everyone. In the end you give a finger to "GOD", the vatican smiles.


How can these vatican heathens lets people starve all over the world when they have enough money to feed everyone for decades. Thinks twice before you give your money to the catholic church. It is a corporation and they hate you.

edit on 29-9-2011 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)

Shadow,

Reading your comments, I think it is you who hate the Catholic Church. I pray you change, it's the true faith.

The Vatican is not the richest country in the world. The most famous works of art honoring God were donated to the Vatican by the artist. If the Catholic Church is 'the fake religion' there is no revelation from Christ. Everything you know Christ comes from the Catholic Church. The Gospel of Thomas is not divinely inspired.

Originally posted by colbe

Shadow,

Reading your comments, I think it is you who hate the Catholic Church. I pray you change, it's the true faith.[/.

If the Catholic Church is 'the fake religion' there is no revelation from Christ. Everything you know Christ comes from the Catholic Church. The Gospel of Thomas is not divinely inspired.

The vatican has nothing to do with Christ. If you actually read the bible which I highly doubt you did even if you say you did you would understand who and what the vatican/catholic creators are.

But I guess it is so Jesus like to worship an idol of a dead man when Jesus says not to, the catholics want to you to confess to your father/priest when the lord said there is only one father. But pick up your beads and chant some pagan chant 20 times and it will be ok.

You are blinded. Dont worry it is an elaborate hoax that has been going on for sometime before you. Dont let pride mess with you because you have been fooled.

There was a real Jesus and he was the most perfect model of man that has walked the earth. The catholic/Jews are really the ones that killed him and the resurrected him 1-200 years later demanding people get on their knees, give up your cattle or give 15 percent of what you own in return that god may forgive you and you wont goto hell.

Quite silly and you wonder why there are so many atheists and hater of religion. Its blasphemous garbage that gets spewed in the name of Christ that turns anyone and everyone away. Good job!

Read about the Rothschild family investments and connections to the Vatican. Learn about its true origin and how they hijacked religion to suit their long planned agenda. Learn who funded them, learn the blood they have shed, the wars they approved, the deaths they gloriously caused in the name of religion. Learn about the truth origins of Hitler, Nazism, who funded them, learn that there is a huge veil over the worlds eyes and be excited that we are part of the greatest hoax this world has ever seen.


Meh, forget it, im gonna see what is on tv and toast Pb sandwich.

reply to post by Shadow Herder


Shadow Herder,

Jesus meant do not worship false gods. Looking at a statue or a painting or a crucifix,
they are a reminder of Our Lord who we both love.

Confession to a priest is Scriptural. You have to tell your sins to someone for them
to hear them. John 20:23, Jesus commanded the Apostles, the first priests stating
"whose sins you shall forgive."

I returned to reply and tell you I shall offer my rosary for your intention.

colbe

John 20:23
Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

reply to post by colbe


Rosary? really. Their only effect is to render such persons ridiculous, if they really put faith in them; and, if they do not, they are rogues who deserve to be punished. All such formulas are mere jugglery; there is no 'sacramental word,' no cabalistic sign, no talisman, that has any power over spirits; for spirits are attracted by thought and not by anything material

Keep that up and you will turn more people away. Keep your pagan trinkets but I always welcome a prayer as I will pray for you.

The inferiority of the human faculties renders it impossible for man to comprehend the essential nature of God. In the infancy of the race, man often confounds the Creator with the creature, and attributes to the former the imperfections of the latter. But, in proportion as his moral sense becomes developed, man's thought penetrates more deeply into the nature of things, and he is able to form to himself a juster and more rational idea of the Divine Being, although his idea of that Being must always be imperfect and incomplete.


Btw the Vatican has numerous IDOLS. Read about them

As far as the Vatican, one thing they rarely bring up is "Jesus."

Jesus is the type of the moral perfection to which man may attain upon this earth. God offers Him to our thought as our most perfect model and the doctrine taught by Him is the purest expression of the divine law, because He was animated by the divine spirit, and was the purest being who has ever appeared upon the earth.


If some of those who have professed to instruct man in the law of God have sometimes led him astray by the inculcation of error, it is because they have allowed themselves to be swayed by sentiments of too earthly a nature, and because they have confounded the laws which regulate the conditions of the life of the soul which regulate the life of the body.

Many pretended revealers have announced as divine laws what were only human laws, devised by them for serving their own passions and obtaining dominion over their fellow-men.

reply to post by MamaJ


Im not trying to school you , just make your realise that in three posts you still couldnt grasp the idea , that you came from a shared common ancestor with the great apes and chimps !

you still think that evolution is the theory we evolved from monkeys !
which is what you have stated in three posts back to back despite our efforts to tell you otherwise!
It's the part where you dont actually take on board what the opposition is protesting which irks me !

With regards to you coming from a spirit , where is your evidence , other than a gospel book ?
there is none what so ever , unless I havent been made aware of it !
So please why dont you school me and give me some evidence that you came from a spirit ?

As I said there is documented evidence , acknowledged by everyone including my gran and the pope
that humans evolved from single celled organisms , the proof is in your body at the microscopic scale.
Take a skin sample and grab a microscope and check it out !
these single celled organisms have existed on earth for billions of years , and through evolution and adaptation we have highly advanced multi celled complex organisms , animals plants and us Humans !

yet you say we came from a spirit ? ok so where is the proof or evidence to suggest such a claim?

ever since man walked the earth we have asked the question where we came from ?
we have debated the existance of the soul for a very long time , and we still have no direct proof.

The closest I have come in research and that hinted at by a chemcial produced in our brains , which again is the result of evloution ! The chemical '___' , most likely developed to relieve the stress of death on our bodies and our minds

You dont have to take onbaord anything I say , becuase you havent taken on board anything I have said or anyone else arguing against god in the last 10 posts .So im doubtful to begin with.

but please know this , your god doesnt have all the answers , the greek gods didnt , the roman gods didnt , the egyptian gods didnt , the mayan gods didnt , how many gods dont have the answers?
but yours is supossed to have it all , yeh right!

reply to post by colbe


They were. As far as they went. I was not condemning Christianity. I don't condemn anything that brings happiness, however fleeting it may, or may not be; into peoples lives and souls.

So long as no one is hurt in the process, why should anything that does that be condemned, or considered a sin? Two people find happiness together as consenting adults, be they two men, two women, or man and woman, should be celebrated, not condemned. It can not, by any goodness I recognize, be a sin to love and be loved, can it?

The root of this is the question of whether or not happiness is a sin. I submit that happiness makes the world a better place for all of us. I see a happy couple strolling down the street together, I'm happy for them, I don't see a sin, or even the remote possibility of it being one.

I am not God, I can not see and know everything that is, everything that will be, nor am I particularly enamored of the idea of being so... So I can only look through my own eyes at things around me, and judge them for what they are in those eyes. I will not, I can not, condemn anything that brings happiness into lives and harms no one. Be it the love of two mortal souls who've found each other, or religion that comforts those same souls.

So... It comes down to this: Does happiness in what ever form constitute a sin? If your answer is yes, then we've reached an impasse that will be tough, if not impossible, to over come.

reply to post by seagull


sins were created to scare us humans into falling in line and trying to have a good morale life , yet if you are a good person , you dont need religion to make you follow a good morale life !

if having fun is a sin then well im a sinner through and through!

Anyways if a god , whatever and whoever they may be , does exist and does come to judge earth one day , I can tell you this , there will be a whole bunch of religious people getting damned to hell for all eternity , and those of us left will be given the thumbs up by god !

Im not trying to school you , just make your realise that in three posts you still couldnt grasp the idea , that you came from a shared common ancestor with the great apes and chimps !

reply to post by sapien82


Yes you are....and like I said...appreciate the effort. I grasped the idea years ago when I was in school and just as I did to my Bible teacher...I questioned. I still question what does NOT make sense to me...and you have not proven anything. Sorry but you do not know me after a few posts. Assuming stuff is not scientific by the way.

Something "irking" you is your problem...not mine. I know what evolution says...I promise...all the arguments and all the data that does not support a fact. It is a non proven theory. IMO (take note of the IMO and you have the right to your own)!!

With regards to you coming from a spirit , where is your evidence , other than a gospel book ? there is none what so ever , unless I havent been made aware of it ! So please why dont you school me and give me some evidence that you came from a spirit ?

I do not want to school you.....thats not my "spirit" My proof of spirit is based on OBSERVATION of my spirit and connecting with it. This has nothing to do with any book, although there are many talks of it on the internet and in the library and in religious texts. If you do not believe in your own spirit...that is on you. Seek it. you will find it.

ever since man walked the earth we have asked the question where we came from ? we have debated the existance of the soul for a very long time , and we still have no direct proof.

Where "we" came from is debatable and there is no proof either way. My proof lies within my observations. They are both faith based theories....sorry but believing in Evolution is a faith driven belief.

but please know this , your god doesnt have all the answers , the greek gods didnt , the roman gods didnt , the egyptian gods didnt , the mayan gods didnt , how many gods dont have the answers? but yours is supossed to have it all , yeh right!

Please....do not tell me what to know anymore....It is making me dizzy. Go on about this thread and forget about me.

My God? I laugh at you!!!! Your God must be evolution.

Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by colbe

 

They were. As far as they went. I was not condemning Christianity. I don't condemn anything that brings happiness, however fleeting it may, or may not be; into peoples lives and souls.

So long as no one is hurt in the process, why should anything that does that be condemned, or considered a sin? Two people find happiness together as consenting adults, be they two men, two women, or man and woman, should be celebrated, not condemned. It can not, by any goodness I recognize, be a sin to love and be loved, can it?

The root of this is the question of whether or not happiness is a sin. I submit that happiness makes the world a better place for all of us. I see a happy couple strolling down the street together, I'm happy for them, I don't see a sin, or even the remote possibility of it being one.

I am not God, I can not see and know everything that is, everything that will be, nor am I particularly enamored of the idea of being so... So I can only look through my own eyes at things around me, and judge them for what they are in those eyes. I will not, I can not, condemn anything that brings happiness into lives and harms no one. Be it the love of two mortal souls who've found each other, or religion that comforts those same souls.

So... It comes down to this: Does happiness in what ever form constitute a sin? If your answer is yes, then we've reached an impasse that will be tough, if not impossible, to over come.

Good morning seagul,

I am trying to think of some kind of sin that brings happiness, I can't think of one.
You're not seeing, accepting that sodomy is condemned by God.

Originally posted by colbe
I am trying to think of some kind of sin that brings happiness, I can't think of one.
You're not seeing, accepting that sodomy is condemned by God.

Lets see...

Friendship Ja 4:4

Eating bacon

Not reading your bible daily.

Eating shrimp

Gambleing

Gay sex

Straight sex

Astrology

Eating blood (Blood pudding is yummy)

Offending a child of god (Im catholic, but make you people mad is just so danm funny!)

Complaining

Science
1 Tim 6:20


And oh my guess what another sin is?

DEBATE

Yes, according to the bible DEBATE is a sin. Guess we are all screwed if we dont REPENT and get off this site.
Ro 1:29


Say I if your gonna be in hell with me? Wanna meet up at Elfuego Bar and grill?

Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

"These sexual sins are calling on My punishment for HOMOSEXUAL ACTS AND FORNICATION.

and this is an example of the duality of meaning. Is it written to imply Jesus should be punished?"

How do you interpret this from Our Lord's words in the message Anon?
"My" is referring to God, Jesus is God, second person of the Blessed Trinity.

My God never uttered this blaspheme! These are not the words of God, in fact I rebuke you for putting them in front of everyone.

If you do not comprehend English then you should stay away from cunning devils who speak with forked tongues because you are too easily led astray..

Putting your Faith in what a man said over what God says is shaking hands with the devil, spreading the lies is dancing with it and you wait for your soul to end.

Explain how you can claim these words as coming from God when they were NOT in the Bible God gave us with His word.

you can't and had been led astray but what is worse, you now proceed to attempt to lead others astray.

... discernment of spirit dude... I am beginning to think you are Leary

A massive influx from the God Squad again I see. If I believed in such nonsense, I would pray for you all...

The latest from Our Lord to John Leary ~

September 22, 2011

Tuesday, September 20, 2011: (St. Andrew Kim, et.al.Korean martyrs)
Jesus said: “My people, many times history repeats itself since many civilizations have risen and fallen. The prophets were sent to warn Israel not to worship idols and foreign gods, but the people of Israel would not listen to Me or My prophets who brought My messages. As a consequence, Israel was conquered and exiled in Babylon. Later, they were allowed to return to rebuild their Temple. So it is with America because you are also idolizing money, sports, fame, and gold. Because you are turning your back to Me with your abortions, homosexual marriages, divorces, fornication, and not worshiping Me on Sunday, you also will be exiled from your own land. My faithful will be making an exodus from their homes to My refuges..The Antichrist will kill, torture, or enslave those who do not come to My refuges. Even your many disasters in the weather are reflecting the violence of your sinful society. My faithful will be returned to a renewed land of My Era of Peace when all the evil ones will be separated and cast into hell.”


www.johnleary.com...

To help explain one sentence. Before evil arrives to "chip" you and/or haul you off to the camps, saying in the name of Our Lord Jesus Christ, call on your guardian angels to guide you and your family to the "refuges." An "exodus" in which we will be invisible to those whose plan is to enslave or kill Christians.

Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

"These sexual sins are calling on My punishment for HOMOSEXUAL ACTS AND FORNICATION.

and this is an example of the duality of meaning. Is it written to imply Jesus should be punished?"

How do you interpret this from Our Lord's words in the message Anon?
"My" is referring to God, Jesus is God, second person of the Blessed Trinity.

My God never uttered this blaspheme! These are not the words of God, in fact I rebuke you for putting them in front of everyone.

If you do not comprehend English then you should stay away from cunning devils who speak with forked tongues because you are too easily led astray..

Putting your Faith in what a man said over what God says is shaking hands with the devil, spreading the lies is dancing with it and you wait for your soul to end.

Explain how you can claim these words as coming from God when they were NOT in the Bible God gave us with His word.

you can't and had been led astray but what is worse, you now proceed to attempt to lead others astray.

... discernment of spirit dude... I am beginning to think you are Leary

Figure it out, Jesus is God, He is speaking of His judgment for two grave sins, SODOMY
and FORNICATION.

And "Bible Alone" is not written in Scripture because it's a heresy.

reply to post by colbe


Rev. 22:18
Rev. 22:19

I am done with explaining it to you