Those who oppose Christ and His messengers will disregard ~ Leave New York City + San Francisco

One more thing to add , for all the religious people out there hating on homosexuals .
What would you do if your family members were gay or your son or daughter grew up and became a homosexual?

would you dissaprove or disown them entirely !

makes me question your humanity really !

reply to post by FlyingSpaghettiMonster


there are also many asexual species which dont need any partners in order to procreate!
they simply impregnate themselves !

reply to post by MamaJ


there is drastically more evidence that you came from a ( once again a common ancestor with monkeys FFS)
than there is that you came from a spirit !

well if you want to make it perfectly clear you came from the combination of a sperm and egg, both of which are cellular organisms which are part if humans , which have also evolved over millions of years in many species all which can be linked back to single celled organisms ! and thats wayyyyyyyyyyy BEFORE dinosaurs even existed
and before man and before god , because they didnt mention dinosaurs in the bible did they!

Originally posted by sapien82
Are the religious heads in this thread actually bothering to read , never mind comprehend the response posts from the non religious heads?

Common ancestor , does not mean we evolved from monkeys , down the line we share SHARE a common ancestor. Every species on this planet can be drawn back to single cell organisms , the mitochondria in our cells are symbiots from another species , which have evolved over millions of years to help us process oxygen!

take back religion to our tribal roots , before we had civilisation , before organised religion, we have groups of nomadic tribes and settlers living in communities, their shamans performing ritual to heal the group and care for them, their gods were far different from the ones we have today , so why is it then we have so many differnt aspects and versions of religion! because we all got it wrong or did only one group get it right!

Another thing a great example of chimps evolving , they have over a period of time since humans began recording their behaviour we have noted they use tools and learn to use more tools , most likely the result of evolution and adaptation to their environment, much like our common ancestors before us humans started using tools to adapt!
Crows and ravens even use tools !

I really suggest you read hamlets mill , a great book , and also the invisible landscape by terrence mckenna , find out more about human evolution and how we developed religion.
Religion or the concept of gods were created in part to explain the great beyond and how we came to be because no human no matter how smart could explain our existance.

The greatest thinkers of our species , were religious yet branded heretics for daring to ask why and how , the great philosophers who were around before the christian god even chose to ask why against their own religions!

Humans are indeed a great species , we have come so far in such a short time on the cosmic scale, we have created many wonderful things , however our greatest failure was the creation of the god concept !

Im getting limited with time and would LOVE to respond to you in more words than I am allowed right now.

I can say the same for the non religious heads... Say what ya want. Words can be as effective as you want them to be or demeaning....your choice.

"Let me suggest" you read what you like and so will I. I have read more books and the mere thought of how many would make your head spin my friend.

I do my research .... believe it or not.

The Bible teaches the opposite of evolution, everything from the garden of Eden onwards degraded, man dies quicker, weather becomes more erratic, animals become more savage by nature, tree grow thorns and the earth starts to break up.

Eventually as the bible predicts this chaos will affect the earth's crust, it will cause the oceans to roar and the water to be polluted, extinction, war, greed, godless people, persecution of the faithful the stars and constellations will be affected to the point of complete chaos.

What we do here affects the Angelic order of the universe.

Crime will increase, studies show that, earthquakes, weather patterns, hate against Christ, churches burnt down, followers hanged for blasphemy in this very age, the cost of disasters upon the earth effects economy, anti Israel generation before Christ returns, nations gearing for war against the Jews as predicted, one currency and desire to bring all religions together, seeking other gods as in Aliens, Genetic tampering in animals and food like the days of Noah.

It is all here to see in front of us, maybe 2012 have some truth in there but it is only the start for some. Maybe it is a satanic plan to bring his version of the past in which he influenced down to his own new end time revelation counterfeit.

Originally posted by sapien82
reply to post by MamaJ

 

there is drastically more evidence that you came from a ( once again a common ancestor with monkeys FFS)
than there is that you came from a spirit !

well if you want to make it perfectly clear you came from the combination of a sperm and egg, both of which are cellular organisms which are part if humans , which have also evolved over millions of years in many species all which can be linked back to single celled organisms ! and thats wayyyyyyyyyyy BEFORE dinosaurs even existed
and before man and before god , because they didnt mention dinosaurs in the bible did they!

Listen at you trying to "school" me.... I appreciate it...love the effort....but I do not need to learn anything from you in regards to this subject unless you just so happen to discover something new today.

Tell ya what though.... when I have time you can put your faith on paper and so will I.

I have read your words more places and more times than you can imagine. They still don't reach me on a "spirit" level.

As for the Bible including Dino's....it is debatable. Read it if you really want the answer. I can tell you ...but I don't want to be a follower and so I would not want you to "follow" my theories. Do your own due diligence.

Can people agree to disagree anymore? Wonder if monkeys do.

Originally posted by colbe

Did you know there are four cardinal virtues of secularism?

•Pluralism (a relativistic attitude toward truth, religion and morals)
•Tolerance (a non-judgmental approach to contrary opinions and “lifestyles”)
•Equality (giving equal value to any individual or cultural differences)
•Freedom (emphasis on individual autonomy in moral decision making)

See the second, don't judge. Sharing a message from Heaven is not judging. The words
in the message come from Our Lord. He can judge, He is God. God bless you,

And yet, the bible warns Christians to be wary of false prophets. You may say, "Do not be a doubting Thomas. Have faith." But Christ and others specifically warn Christians against false prophets, therefore requiring skepticism against such claims. Literally anyone could post something like what you have in this topic, claiming that it is a message from God. People have in the past, actually, and were found to be frauds when their predictions never came to pass.

This further strengthens people's skepticism against such claims. So for all people who happen to be Christian reading your message know, this message is not from God, but from an individual either claiming that to be the case in order to perpetuate their own judgment of other members of society, or someone simply deluded.

How are people to know? Pray for guidance? And suppose they feel strongly after doing so that this is a fraudulent prophecy? God will punish them anyway when whatever non-specific, unfalsifiable prediction is supposed to happen happens, should they not leave their homes?

I respect your beliefs and your right to them and it is not my intent to sound hostile, but topics like this one are why I so rarely post on ATS anymore. An unfalsifiable, vague prediction with not so much as a date or a specific event laced with judgment of other members of society, supported by another unfalsifiable claim that it is a message from God, which no one can ever prove or disprove. And it's an easy one ot embellish too, because San Francisco is way overdue for a major quake, and when one inevitably happens (whether it's tomorrow or ten years from now,) people can claim that the prophecy was fulfilled and that homosexuality has been punished. And there will be no way to disprove that, because of the vagueness of the prophecy.

Again, I intend no disrespect and no hostility. But do you know how many times this has happened on ATS and nothing has come of it other than users being driven by fear to change their lives with little real basis? And when an earthquake does happen (as it must someday,) the alleged sinner, the supposedly righteous, the straight, the gay, the faithful, the agnostic, and the atheists will all die together and indiscriminately, because that's what happens when the Earth moves abruptly and with great force. I cannot rationalize that in my own mind or heart by concluding that "God made it happen to punish human iniquity." And I won't. But I respect your beliefs and your right to them, as I've now said three times just so it's clear.

Peace.

Originally posted by The time lord
The Bible teaches the opposite of evolution, everything from the garden of Eden onwards degraded, man dies quicker, weather becomes more erratic, animals become more savage by nature, tree grow thorns and the earth starts to break up.

Eventually as the bible predicts this chaos will affect the earth's crust, it will cause the oceans to roar and the water to be polluted, extinction, war, greed, godless people, persecution of the faithful the stars and constellations will be affected to the point of complete chaos.

What we do here affects the Angelic order of the universe.

Crime will increase, studies show that, earthquakes, weather patterns, hate against Christ, churches burnt down, followers hanged for blasphemy in this very age, the cost of disasters upon the earth effects economy, anti Israel generation before Christ returns, nations gearing for war against the Jews as predicted, one currency and desire to bring all religions together, seeking other gods as in Aliens, Genetic tampering in animals and food like the days of Noah.

It is all here to see in front of us, maybe 2012 have some truth in there but it is only the start for some. Maybe it is a satanic plan to bring his version of the past in which he influenced down to his own new end time revelation counterfeit.

Another theory......yet this one "seems observed" can we consider it fact?

reply to post by anoncoholic


I wish I could reply to every post directed to me but there are so many, it's a lot to have to
write.

Anon,

Your post, I'll comment on a couple. You sound sincere to me.

Reading your reply, to me, it is kind of a mix, sometimes you acknowledge Christian facts and then deny others? Like objecting, protesting the Church and then saying, watch out OP, you are opening up yourself to the evil one posting these messages. I think you are Christian?

"All delusions and woefully inaccurate."

How can you believe this about the message in the OP? Darrell Bennett and others messengers, non-Catholic and Catholic have heard this prophecy from Heaven. How can John Leary's message be the very same as Darrell's prophetic? See the date, May 1, 2000.

It's a hard message but you either believe God is speaking, helping us, strengthening
belief in His Truth or He is silent. An all loving God is not silent, believe in prophecy.

We all have God's gift of free will. To grow, to change after discovering something new is everyone's desire. Fits with the meaning and importance of some to being intellectual. The same for being mistaken, misunderstanding something. It takes a smart person, yes? To say fine, I was wrong and change.

I shared the message on the forum because it reads as if the time is closer. I wish and pray for everyone to get prepared. I write over and over, Heaven keeps repeating the way is confession and daily prayer. And for Catholics make use of the grace of the Sacraments. I also have a personal reason for posting John Leary's message.

colbe

Originally posted by anoncoholic
oh, look, a coloring book and everything. More impressive but still utterly foolish
The issue isn't one of over population but resource handling. The entire population of the world could fit in the state of Texas. Where does that leave your ego?

I could fit a cat in a can, that doesn't mean it would survive.

Get real. You people are unbelievably ignorant.

Originally posted by spw184

Originally posted by colbe

Originally posted by Whatsreal
reply to post by colbe

 

That just sounds like a whole bag of STUPID. Why do crazy people who don't want to just live and let live always have to assume Jesus is on their side. As if invoking the name of Jesus is a trump card and automatically adds legitimacy to what by itself are the ravings of a lunatic.

I swear Jesus/the church/religious zealots (from all religions) have caused way more death, destruction, and strife than all the gay/lesbian/bi folks have or could in the future cause combined.

Seriously, we're over populated. having gay couples is a good thing!

there was an experiment done a few years back I remember reading. What they did was put 2 rats in a box. 1 male 1 female. They mated. Then they put 4 in a box... 2 of each and they paired off.. they kept doubling up and by the time they got past 32 they noticed gay couples starting to pair off as space in the box got tight.... the more they added, the greater the instance of gay couples. This experiment would suggest that homosexuality is a natural way of population control.

Think about that for a minute.

edit on 29-9-2011 by Whatsreal because: grammer-typo

Whatsreal,

"Live and let live"...you could say that about anything.

These times, and throughout history, I will not follow God, even when it is so obviously disordered. The natural law, men and women together, this is how He made us....

We can know, the "act" is an abomination to God. He loves the sinner not the sin.

And overpopulation is a myth. There is hardly any next generation. Again, cause people do not follow God.

On both, I wish I could change your mind, it's something you should as God about in
prayer. He would desire to show you.

Well my aunt just had a new kid, and my friends sister just had a new kid, one of my cousins in prego, so i think there is going to be a next generation. Please make more sense in your posts

spw,

Hello, I'll explain. Of course a next generation.

My parents had six children, what is the average child per family today in our country?
And in some countries it is less. Contraception is not God's way. We are seeing
the consequences.

Good to hear about your family being open to life. God said be fruitful and multiply.

The lack of education in this thread is utterly mind blowing!!

Not knowing something isn't a bad thing, but blatantly repeating nonsense after being proven wrong...or even worse, claiming you did your research when CLEARLY you didn't...is pretty bad. Claiming humans roamed the earth with dinosaurs without presenting the slightest shred of evidence is laughably silly...no other way to put it.

Originally posted by Myendica
reply to post by colbe

 

whats the word you like? My avatar is a picture I took out back of my house of lightning. I then inverted the colors..

Myendica,

I mean your avatar name. Your photo is very neat too. It reminded me of a word that stays with me because Jesus used it in a message to describe Himself. He begs us, our God to love Him! Our Lord used the word:

men·di·cant (mnd-knt)
adj.
Depending on alms for a living; practicing begging.
n.
1. A beggar.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
The lack of education in this thread is utterly mind blowing!!

Not knowing something isn't a bad thing, but blatantly repeating nonsense after being proven wrong...or even worse, claiming you did your research when CLEARLY you didn't...is pretty bad. Claiming humans roamed the earth with dinosaurs without presenting the slightest shred of evidence is laughably silly...no other way to put it.

Don't hold your breath.

CJ

Originally posted by seagull
*sigh*

Anyone who has read my posts (both of ya...) knows I have little use for dogmatic religion. I believe there is a God, but that his word (whatever that is...) is unknowable by mere mortals (that would be all of us...in case you missed it.).

But this unrelenting hatred of Christianity is just as bad as any bigotry posited by so called Christians. No where near all Christians defend the wrongs perpetrated in Christianity's name, in fact I'd be so bold as to assert that the majority don't.

Many, dare I say the majority, of Christians live quiet lives and make no effort to shove their religion down the throats of others.

Fuss and fume about the wrongs done by these zealots in Christ's clothing if you will. But don't be so hypocritical as to emulate them in doing so.

Hatred will solve nothing.

seagull,

I like your underlined. I disagree about sharing the faith...
Are we not to shout it from the rooftops what we hold most dear?


a quote from the Holy Father ~

"Anyone who has discovered Christ must lead others to Him.
A great joy cannot be kept to oneself. It has to be passed on."

World Youth Day, 2005

Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

I wish I could reply to every post directed to me but there are so many, it's a lot to have to
write.

Anon,

Your post, I'll comment on a couple. You sound sincere to me.

Reading your reply, to me, it is kind of a mix, sometimes you acknowledge Christian facts and then deny others? Like objecting, protesting the Church and then saying, watch out OP, you are opening up yourself to the evil one posting these messages. I think you are Christian?

"All delusions and woefully inaccurate."

How can you believe this about the message in the OP? Darrell Bennett and others messengers, non-Catholic and Catholic have heard this prophecy from Heaven. How can John Leary's message be the very same as Darrell's prophetic? See the date, May 1, 2000.

It's a hard message but you either believe God is speaking, helping us, strengthening
belief in His Truth or He is silent. An all loving God is not silent, believe in prophecy.

We all have God's gift of free will. To grow, to change after discovering something new is everyone's desire. Fits with the meaning and importance of some to being intellectual. The same for being mistaken, misunderstanding something. It takes a smart person, yes? To say fine, I was wrong and change.

I shared the message on the forum because it reads as if the time is closer. I wish and pray for everyone to get prepared. I write over and over, Heaven keeps repeating the way is confession and daily prayer. And for Catholics make use of the grace of the Sacraments. I also have a personal reason for posting John Leary's message.

colbe

Hey colbe, was hoping you wouldn't miss that post as it got buried

Yes I cam saying it is delusional for a number of reasons. The fact that someone said it ten years ago is neither here nor there, Leary could have read it too and is merely regurgitating it now.

The fact that these" letters" come out now is also suspicious in my eyes, here is why...
forum.rickross.com...,62059,page=8

not only the timing but the content. None of it says anything that isn't already in the Bible and that soul (pun intended) source is good enough for me.

Now while I was here someone posted something that made me think I should actually look into Leary, regarding the black Pope in the Catholic church and this is something I also believe.

www.novusordowatch.org...

I had been looking for a website that has since disappeared (power of the Vatican no doubt) that went into detail about the events of that 1958 enclave that even included the threat of nuclear detonation in Rome if Cardinal Siri were to accept the election. Dark forces continue to work on the Catholic church and the pedophilia is just the most obvious example. The fact that no convictions happened and hush money and relocation occurred spells all the coverup I need to know.

Now having said all that understand that I do believe in prophecy and particularly as the time draws nearer but even the Bible states that many come in His name in these times. There are many like Leary and Bennet and to me we shall know them by their fruits. There was a woman who had a video of predictions up and subsequently closed her account becasue she was afraid of what she knew and was telling others.

Her name is Donna Lyons and she is a Church of God or First church of Christ or w/e but the point is I know for a fact she called the Indonesia quake the day before it happened. I have some of her predictions saved lemme see if I can find them...

reply to post by colbe


You should really stop making christians look so bad.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
The lack of education in this thread is utterly mind blowing!!

Not knowing something isn't a bad thing, but blatantly repeating nonsense after being proven wrong...or even worse, claiming you did your research when CLEARLY you didn't...is pretty bad. Claiming humans roamed the earth with dinosaurs without presenting the slightest shred of evidence is laughably silly...no other way to put it.

and the level of arrogance is only surpassed by the level of underestimation of others. For instance you gave yourself a nick of MR XYZ all in caps like an attention whore demanding respect. psychology101, want to play head games? Show me your body language and I can tell you things about yourself you would rather not know.

Respect doesn't work on demand sorry. Earn it

www.answersingenesis.org...

in case that link isn't enough here, take the entire google search page with 108,000 returns

www.google.com...:en-USfficial&client=firefox

colbe I am still looking for that file and will stop reading here until I find it

Originally posted by Partisanity

The natural law, men and women together, this is how He made us....

He also didn't make us with computers attached to our palms... yet... here we are.

Things not being "natural" isn't an argument against it, and besides, how can you honestly argue that something is unnatural when it is 100% fact that it exists in nature? I'd go as far as to say that suppression of homosexuality is the only thing not natural about the whole situation, and has obviously lead to population problems in more strict areas of the planet. If every single human and animal bred like it was their sole duty, we would be in deep sh# right now. Denying that is beyond ignorant.

edit on 29-9-2011 by Partisanity because: (no reason given)

Partisanity,

Technology is new but important, men and women, our gender hasn't changed. God never made men or women to "act" in this manner. It's so obvious.

Homosexuality in animals is a lame one, no offense. I don't know if "gay" animals are fact but if it is, so what? We are not animals. We are made in the image and likeness of God. We have part of the creator in our souls, God's presence in us.

God has revealed it, the "act" is an abomination to Him. God loves the sinner, we are
all sinners so repent, repent, repent. Don't believe the "gay" agenda. Man is meant for "higher" things like Heaven.

Originally posted by upgrayeddc310t
If I drop everything, leave the Bay Area with my wife, and travel across the country to somewhere remote and NOTHING HAPPENS...will you reimburse me for my troubles?
inb4 somewhere down the road there's an earthquake in California and you/your false prophet "predicted it", being that this is an earthquake prone area. That ain't a prophecy, that's something that's bound to happen sooner or later. So unless you can give me an exact date, or even a date within a MONTH of this prophecy, you will be regarded as crazy.

I have a prophecy too, next year during tornado season there will be deadly tornado's in Tornado Ally!!!!! If you live in the Midwest and the South, LEAVE NOW! GOD TOLD ME SO!

upgray,

God doesn't give exact dates. Human nature, we would wait until the last moment to
repent, to change. It comes down to believing the warnings and direction God gives
us. Believe prophecy. The prophecy is closer...you read it in the message.

Some people will be able to leave San Francisco and New York but not everyone can.
So, be ready to face God as if it were your last day, doesn't matter where you live or the judgments.

Regular confession and pray, pray, pray. Heaven begs us now in the messages.

Whenever I am stressed, I talk to God and I feel better. An example of prayer. There is the benefit of it cause it's true.