Those who oppose Christ and His messengers will disregard ~ Leave New York City + San Francisco

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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astrophysicist!!! ohhh... cool, rocket science

Not really, astrophysicists don't work on rocket science...that would be a rocket scientist or general physicist.

now go ask him why we don't have levitation as a means of travel then get back to me and Ill refute his denial, how's that for belief?

Mhhhhhhh, we do have levitation...and it's already being used for travel.

Magnetic levitation:

And some countries like Japan are already using that technology for magnetic high speed railways

But let's just ignore facts, right? All you had to do was spend 3min on google and do a little research...instead you chose to post more uninformed nonsense

maglev is not true levitation as it is still riding a rail that is on the ground. I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

please quit the condescending attitude or be met with the same ... fair warning

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so tell me, in which zoo are the gorilla evolved into humans kept in? you do see the problem with your evolution theory I hope...

Wait...what? Your understanding of evolution is that it's basically like gorillas evolving into humans? And that's why you don't see the theory as the sound theory it is?

That makes perfect sense, because you are right...humans didn't evolve from gorillas because that's not how evolution works and NOT what the theory states. No wonder you don't believe in the theory...you don't understand it at all.

Here's the link...read if you care about facts: LINK

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You didn't evolve-from-them. You share a common ancestor. There is a pretty big difference.

As to the OP: Love your neighbor as you love yourself + Judge not, or risk judgement yourself.

reply to post by anoncoholic

maglev is not true levitation as it is still riding a rail that is on the ground. I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

Mhhhhh...if you are in space, you are already "levitating" because there is no significant gravity pulling you to the ground.

It's not levitation that's our issue in space, it's thrust...

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

Yeah, and clearly we're doing an amazing job at resource handling and are constantly improving...right? That's why the divide between rich and poor isn't increasing at all, right?

Given that we're doing a horrible job at it, overpopulation IS A MASSIVE ISSUE!

PS: Sorry for posting a colored graph, I will post a black and white one next time so your eyes don't get hurt by all those facts

edit on 29-9-2011 by MrXYZ because: (no reason given)

well at least you do see the problem even though you refuse to admit it.
The problem has always been one of greed and it costs money to ship goods to starving people. Perhaps some can reconcile that simple fact in their conscience but personally I am not motivated by the money but I am feeling for all those dying. I don't need to ask where you stand becasue to you we are all just monkey trash so what the hell, we can lose a few billion right?

funny how morality works that way isn't it... if you have respect for others then others respect you and we would all be looking out for each other. I guess the bank account was too much to pass up and pissing on millions of lives comes easier to man.

... you are a man aren't you? Even if you think your great great great to the umpteenth power of your ancestry was a monkey.. How do you think your parents feel about being called a beast though?

Just to make it clear, I don't hate Christians at all...everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. It's just that I really really really hate bigots, and this thread is crawling with them As for you having a common ancestor with today's monkeys...that's the truth. The fossil record confirms it, DNA confirms it, migratory trends confirm it, and we're actively using findings of the theory in modern medicine to predict future outcomes. If the theory were wrong, we couldn't accurately predict the future. You're right though, you didn't evolve from the monkeys I posted, you just share a common ancestor with them

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Let me start by saying I am a leader...not a follower. I don't take someones word for something. I have to analyze it and come up with my own conclusion.

There is missing links to the evolution theory IMO, and I just don't buy it for a second. I have many reasons to NOT believe in a text book taught evolution. Man goes further back than the dinos...believe it or not. I mean we have similar DNA to a worm.... that does not mean we came from worms. Humans have been around for thousands of years and none of us are scratching our backs on trees and tree hopping. It is more complex and perhaps as simple as a messed up and confused DNA that will never prove anything. Our DNA has been noticeably changing in recent years yet we still look the same. I have yet to see a different mutated chimp as well...just wont ever happen. Why? Because it is not accurate. There are too many holes in the theory that just do not add up.

With ANY science comes the usual gaps. Just remember....the source of the "ALL" created Science.

This thread is not about monkeys though and sorry for getting us off topic.

I hope everyone who reads this thread will know that whether or not you are gay or straight...blue or brown...we all bleed the same and none of us are better than the next.

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Common or not...I didn't come from a monkey...sorry...but I didn't. Did you?

reply to post by anoncoholic


The old "only Christians act morally"? Really?

Morals are imposed by society which is why there's different moral standards all over the world.

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

so tell me, in which zoo are the gorilla evolved into humans kept in? you do see the problem with your evolution theory I hope...

Wait...what? Your understanding of evolution is that it's basically like gorillas evolving into humans? And that's why you don't see the theory as the sound theory it is?

That makes perfect sense, because you are right...humans didn't evolve from gorillas because that's not how evolution works and NOT what the theory states. No wonder you don't believe in the theory...you don't understand it at all.

Here's the link...read if you care about facts: LINK

you read it somewhere so it is gospel truth I know... oh wait you don't believe in the gospel as truth.

You know, the odds of man evolving from ape has been likened to a tornado passing over a junkyard and building a jumbo jet.

By your own contention man shares a common ancestor in a monkey ( I don't dispute that) but then what I was saying was if a monkey evolved then where is the gorilla evolution and you stammer like it is me who doesn't know what I am talking about?

You can't have it both ways, if evolution is as you contend then all species evolve and magically morph into a new being.

I do agree that we share aspects with other creatures but we sure didn't evolve "from" them.

I would also ask you just stop basing everything you know on wiki. Wiki is opinion based and is easily edited by anyone.

meh it doesn't matter, you know what you know and your mind is closed

... not my problem

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

maglev is not true levitation as it is still riding a rail that is on the ground. I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

Mhhhhh...if you are in space, you are already "levitating" because there is no significant gravity pulling you to the ground.

It's not levitation that's our issue in space, it's thrust...

you fail to see the obvious. I am talking about ground to air to space travel but apparently you are intimidated talking about it and need to belittle it like it is something you already know (why am I not surprised?)

let me put it this way... levitation in 1 G (just hovering) is equal to 1 G of force in a vacuum. Make it easier to understand now?

reply to post by MamaJ

Man goes further back than the dinos...believe it or not.

Actually, that's incorrect. The earliest evidence of modern humans is 200,000 years old.

Dinosaurs on the other hand went extinct over 65 million (!!!) years ago.

I hope you see why saying humans lived during the age of dinosaurs is nonsense

I mean we have similar DNA to a worm.... that does not mean we came from worms.

No...it just confirms we share a distant common ancestor.

Humans have been around for thousands of years and none of us are scratching our backs on trees and tree hopping.

And we aren't doing that because we ADAPTED to our environment and tree hopping isn't necessary any longer...and we found other ways to scratch our back. You just posted more evidence of evolution

Our DNA has been noticeably changing in recent years yet we still look the same.

Of course our DNA changes as we adapt over time. But that hasn't been happening in a few years, it's a loooooooooong process. On a cosmological timescale it's been a short time, but I wouldn't consider 10k years short for human timescales.

I have yet to see a different mutated chimp as well...just wont ever happen. Why?

You won't see many visible changes because it takes a LONG time. Longer than you'll be alive. And yet chimps still adapt, some populations can be more resistant against certain diseases than others...

There are too many holes in the theory that just do not add up.

Actually, if the theory had holes proving it wrong, it wouldn't still be classified a scientific theory after 150+ years. A prerequisite of being classified as a theory is that it can't be "debunked".

This thread is not about monkeys though and sorry for getting us off topic.

You're right...if you want to, start a thread in the creation section and we can take our discussion there

Originally posted by MamaJ

Just to make it clear, I don't hate Christians at all...everyone has the right to believe whatever they want. It's just that I really really really hate bigots, and this thread is crawling with them As for you having a common ancestor with today's monkeys...that's the truth. The fossil record confirms it, DNA confirms it, migratory trends confirm it, and we're actively using findings of the theory in modern medicine to predict future outcomes. If the theory were wrong, we couldn't accurately predict the future. You're right though, you didn't evolve from the monkeys I posted, you just share a common ancestor with them

reply to post by MrXYZ

 

Let me start by saying I am a leader...not a follower. I don't take someones word for something. I have to analyze it and come up with my own conclusion.

There is missing links to the evolution theory IMO, and I just don't buy it for a second. I have many reasons to NOT believe in a text book taught evolution. Man goes further back than the dinos...believe it or not. I mean we have similar DNA to a worm.... that does not mean we came from worms. Humans have been around for thousands of years and none of us are scratching our backs on trees and tree hopping. It is more complex and perhaps as simple as a messed up and confused DNA that will never prove anything. Our DNA has been noticeably changing in recent years yet we still look the same. I have yet to see a different mutated chimp as well...just wont ever happen. Why? Because it is not accurate. There are too many holes in the theory that just do not add up.

With ANY science comes the usual gaps. Just remember....the source of the "ALL" created Science.

This thread is not about monkeys though and sorry for getting us off topic.

I hope everyone who reads this thread will know that whether or not you are gay or straight...blue or brown...we all bleed the same and none of us are better than the next.

yes, brings to mind the issue of aids jumping from monkey to man and yet in a monkey it isn't lethal but normal. Says a lot about evolution theories

Gay monkey thoughts make me laugh though (with a Tim Allen voice) "aryouuu?"

ok, you are right, this thread went all over the place and my apologies for the derail too.

Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

maglev is not true levitation as it is still riding a rail that is on the ground. I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

Mhhhhh...if you are in space, you are already "levitating" because there is no significant gravity pulling you to the ground.

It's not levitation that's our issue in space, it's thrust...

you fail to see the obvious. I am talking about ground to air to space travel but apparently you are intimidated talking about it and need to belittle it like it is something you already know (why am I not surprised?)

let me put it this way... levitation in 1 G (just hovering) is equal to 1 G of force in a vacuum. Make it easier to understand now?

No you weren't talking about ground to air

Let me quote your own words:

I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

Mhhhh, you specifically mentioned "not interplanetary" but rather INTERSTELLAR. Maybe you should read your own posts before accusing people

As for your g force stuff: You are confusing the universal gravitational constant (Newton's constant) with g forces which has to do with free fall acceleration.

Here's the link explaining the difference: LINK

Make it easier to understand now?

I hope my links make it easier

Originally posted by Jordan River

At any rate if you are a gay christian I am most positive that you are forgiven. It is a tough road.

Yahad

Funny, because "forgiven" implies a sin. Explain why homosexuality is supposed a sin, please?
Or masturbation..or "not so proper" sex....or sex in general....or nudity...etc..etc..

Religion = Fail.

Actually, that's incorrect. The earliest evidence of modern humans is 200,000 years old. Dinosaurs on the other hand went extinct over 65 million (!!!) years ago. I hope you see why saying humans lived during the age of dinosaurs is nonsense

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Actually you are basing your assumption on theories that uses carbon dating.... that in my opinion is not at all accurate. The earliest evidence of human existence is debatable as no one was around millions of years ago to say whether it is fact or not. I happen to believe we have been around for much longer than a half million years. 200k is definitely not accurate..not sure where you obtained that info. Science goes on a lot of faith and to me...that is what biased religious people do as well. To be open to possibilities sets a stage for knowledge to be obtained instead of lost. I am open to all possibilities but until there is solid evidence...I will continue my research and not be swayed by someone else's assumptions.

No...it just confirms we share a distant common ancestor.

No it doesn't...it just shows there is a similar DNA (we have many with other species) ....it does not prove anything other than by faith we are to look at it as fact but really it isn't. It is faith based still.

And we aren't doing that because we ADAPTED to our environment and tree hopping isn't necessary any longer...and we found other ways to scratch our back. You just posted more evidence of evolution

No....my opinion is that we do adapt to our surroundings (over the course of many thousands of years) but we have and always will be human. Just because we adapt does not prove we came from Neanderthals. Just not proven. Period.

Of course our DNA changes as we adapt over time. But that hasn't been happening in a few years, it's a loooooooooong process. On a cosmological timescale it's been a short time, but I wouldn't consider 10k years short for human timescales.

Research your above quote....

Actually, if the theory had holes proving it wrong, it wouldn't still be classified a scientific theory after 150+ years. A prerequisite of being classified as a theory is that it can't be "debunked".

It has been bunked though...by many. Evolution is taught in our text books...they need to change it. They will change it when the Darwinian cult phase out and new ideas are thrown on the table to suggest it was wrong all along. That will hurt the community drastically....don't ya think.

You're right...if you want to, start a thread in the creation section and we can take our discussion there

There are plenty of thread on ATS to choose from. They are pretty exhausting as people try to argue with assumptions and not facts.

Evolution has not been proven. Period.

If you think you came from a monkey...so be it. I think I came from a spirit that is well and beyond more intelligent than a monkey will EVER be. That is my faith and evolutionists have their faith. SO be it.

Wonder if the monkeys are gay too?

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by anoncoholic

Originally posted by MrXYZ
reply to post by anoncoholic

 

maglev is not true levitation as it is still riding a rail that is on the ground. I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

Mhhhhh...if you are in space, you are already "levitating" because there is no significant gravity pulling you to the ground.

It's not levitation that's our issue in space, it's thrust...

you fail to see the obvious. I am talking about ground to air to space travel but apparently you are intimidated talking about it and need to belittle it like it is something you already know (why am I not surprised?)

let me put it this way... levitation in 1 G (just hovering) is equal to 1 G of force in a vacuum. Make it easier to understand now?

No you weren't talking about ground to air

Let me quote your own words:

I am talking about space travel type of levitation that takes us interstellar not merely interplanetary.

Mhhhh, you specifically mentioned "not interplanetary" but rather INTERSTELLAR. Maybe you should read your own posts before accusing people

As for your g force stuff: You are confusing the universal gravitational constant (Newton's constant) with g forces which has to do with free fall acceleration.

Here's the link explaining the difference: LINK

Make it easier to understand now?

I hope my links make it easier

no, perhaps you should read with understanding. My very first post I asked about levitation and inter-stellar travel is a natural extension from it if we had the technology made available to us. Do you know why we don't have it already was my question, go ahead and scroll back and see for yourself. I am curious since you are so filled with wisdom, what does wiki say about us not having levitation for space traveling craft that can break the FTL barrier. Oh wait, I just gave a new variable and this thread isn't the place for it and neither will you be able to answer that off a wiki regurgitation.

you know, the way you talk down to others all the time is a "nonsense" you will have to mature out of. Not everyone here is in a pissing contest that you so want (need?) to win.

in fact I am going to show you how to be a better man... think you won something it matters little

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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by Jordan River

At any rate if you are a gay christian I am most positive that you are forgiven. It is a tough road.

Yahad

Funny, because "forgiven" implies a sin. Explain why homosexuality is supposed a sin, please?
Or masturbation..or "not so proper" sex....or sex in general....or nudity...etc..etc..

Religion = Fail.

You are right in some cases, but I have a theory based with religion which might explain a few things.

From the time of Adam and Eve the pure genes in us humans have weathered away and with it certain traits and corruption has led man to have more impure mutations and maybe this impure mutation also effects sexuality, but this is not just a human thing it effects the animals too, they become extinct and die out, some become more savage than the way God intended so it effects everything.

God only puts judgement on with floods and fire if the human race is going to die out because of a certain group effects his overall plans for us which many forces are against us for it.

Jesus knows we are no longer perfect as man once was but he does not dictate that we should eliminate each other over difference just have control on it an his message is to have some guidence on our own futures without them being too dictatored about every detail.

In Daniels vision of the Statue he sees man in form of different kingdoms and the first gold empire was purer and stonger than the silver one and the bronze and iron and the last empire will be brittle Iron mixed with clay, man's genes will be brittle his choices and sinful nature will be greater than before.

Like I said Jesus knows our imperfections and he message is that we deal with our selves without using harsh methods on each other like they did on him. His message is the heart of what makes a human good and some savage barbarian in which so easily man could become.

Originally posted by Jrocbaby
Because of people like you, more and more people side against christianity, and rightly so.

You are aware that this John Leary person is openly AGAINST the church, he actually thinks the current pope is the anti-pope and he is actively attempting to drive people away from the pope and Church?

So..hatred against established Christianity/church is actually what he wants. Careful in generalizing all christians because of a small number of lunatics please

Are the religious heads in this thread actually bothering to read , never mind comprehend the response posts from the non religious heads?

Common ancestor , does not mean we evolved from monkeys , down the line we share SHARE a common ancestor. Every species on this planet can be drawn back to single cell organisms , the mitochondria in our cells are symbiots from another species , which have evolved over millions of years to help us process oxygen!

take back religion to our tribal roots , before we had civilisation , before organised religion, we have groups of nomadic tribes and settlers living in communities, their shamans performing ritual to heal the group and care for them, their gods were far different from the ones we have today , so why is it then we have so many differnt aspects and versions of religion! because we all got it wrong or did only one group get it right!

Another thing a great example of chimps evolving , they have over a period of time since humans began recording their behaviour we have noted they use tools and learn to use more tools , most likely the result of evolution and adaptation to their environment, much like our common ancestors before us humans started using tools to adapt!
Crows and ravens even use tools !

I really suggest you read hamlets mill , a great book , and also the invisible landscape by terrence mckenna , find out more about human evolution and how we developed religion.
Religion or the concept of gods were created in part to explain the great beyond and how we came to be because no human no matter how smart could explain our existance.

The greatest thinkers of our species , were religious yet branded heretics for daring to ask why and how , the great philosophers who were around before the christian god even chose to ask why against their own religions!

Humans are indeed a great species , we have come so far in such a short time on the cosmic scale, we have created many wonderful things , however our greatest failure was the creation of the god concept !

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You laugh, but homosexual behaviour and relationships have already been recorded in animals - and that's scientific study and knowledge, not faith. What the evidence tells us is that if non-self aware animals have same sex relationships, then the argument about 'choosing to be gay' is well and truly over. If animals behave that way unconsciously and without premeditation, then there's no natural reason for humans to need to 'choose' to be bi/gay. Ergo - if you believe in a God creator - human sexuality was also created by Herself.