Secret nuclear drill in The Netherlands

Originally posted by snewpers
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The Dutch gov. never confirmed anything, nor denied it. A leaked document 'confirms' it, but that is not the Dutch gov. So, there *might* be nukes there but I really doubt they will install one on a jet anyday soon as that would really confirm that they have nukes. Would be silly, no?

As far as I can tell, the jets that landed there are pretty common and nothing special at all. The fact that they are able to transport a nuke is not a criteria, so could a boeing 747. It's a drill, yes, but nuclear? I really doubt it.

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Okay, I'll play along. Actually the English wiki misses a snippet that the Dutch wiki does not. In 2009 the Dutch labour party, PVDA (in the government at that moment), publicly stated that they wanted to get rid of the American and NAVO nukes on Dutch soil. It caused quite a stir, because indeed the Dutch Government has publicly always refused a statement about nukes in Holland. The foreign affairs minister, Maxime Verhagen of the CDA, mentioned that unilateral disarming makes no sense, so he does not agree with removing the nukes. Although he does not specifically acknowledges that they are there, his reaction implies there are. It took a meeting behind closed doors to settle the peace in the coalition again. After that the government returned to its previous statement, being 'no comment'. Which in light of the afore mentioned is the same as: they are there but we cannot confirm it. Some extra info: ever since the cold war the USAF 703 Munition Support Squadron (MUNSS) to maintain 'special' weapon systems. Quite recently they have given a demo on disarming a B61 nuke. With a dummy.

By the way, the nukes do not have to be taken up in the air. It could simply be testing of the mounting sytems. That could happen in a closed off hangar. The jets are indeed nothing special, but (again) they all have mounting systems for the B61's believed to be in Volkel. That is a coincidence that you cannot ignore.

reply to post by cappuccino


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There's nothing to play along with It's a public secret that
there are nukes on Volkel. All I said was that the Dutch gov.
never confirmed that they were here.

You have stated a lot of 'facts' to support the headline of a
nuclear drill in the Netherlands, but for me at least they are
unrelated.

Testing the mounting system of a nuke can be done with a
mock up model. The jets don't have to be in NL to test that
stuff.

There's a drill with NATO jets that could carry a nuke, they
will most likely do some air defense testing and that'll be it.
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reply to post by snewpers


Ah, but that is what ATS is all about, isn't it? Trying to find seemingly unrelated facts and piece them together to find out the truth and debate the outcome. I for one think it's a fishy situation, and you can either chose to with it, or not. Your biggest argument is that the government has never officially confirmed that they were there. Well, if we had to believe everything our governments said then ATS would probably not exist.

And indeed, the jets do not have to be in the Netherlands to test the mounting.. But what is they were to test not only the mounting, but also the whole situation in and around the base, how the exact procedures are, the surroundings, so that they are at the utmost prepared in case they need to carry out bomb runs from Volkel with the B61's? They can get familiar with the specific hangar, the runways etc. I for one think it's very plausible that the drills they are carrying out involve a scenario where the nukes play a part.

reply to post by cappuccino


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Well I'm on ATS trying to find some good stuff

It's not about gathering some facts that are not related
and shape them into a nice story.
My argument is not that the Dutch gov. didn't confirm
the nukes. My argument is that your story is flawed.
You assume there are nukes, you assume there are
jets to carry the assumed nukes. You assume it's for
testing the mounting procedure.

It's a drill.
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reply to post by snewpers


In all fairness, we join forums such as this one to discuss what the government isn't telling us..

So why would you be basing your analysis upon what the gov. says?

We are here to connect the dots, I see these set of circumstances at the very least to be remarkable.

However, the initial headline was sensationalized. I see your connects, and I think they are more than worth exploring further.

reply to post by EvanJP


I wonder if Belgium will be holding exercises soon,I'l see what I can find,maybe something in kleine brogel^^

reply to post by snewpers


Ah. But the government also did not deny the existence of the nukes. But if you so firmly believe that when a government says something is not there it really is not there, then what are you doing on ATS? It does not make my theory flawed, because they have never denied the nukes being there.

Yes, it's a theory I pose, not a solid fact. I wish I had the facts to prove it. You yourself mentioned that it's a public secret in the Netherlands that there are nuclear bombs on Volkel. I only have circumstantial evidence, but it is strong circumstantial evidence. For instance, check this topic on the spottersforum for Volkel. Having these jets here is quite exceptional. Fighter jets from other nations usually land on the other AFB's in our little country, especially when they are with this many. It is clearly 'not just a drill'. It's a sign of things to come.

reply to post by EvanJP


I wanted to add a question mark at the end of the title, but once you post a thread you can't edit that anymore.

Here's some more upcoming exercises so you can plan your threads accordingly. Make sure you choose ones that you can put some spin on, as these are all likely to be "training" for the global domination by the NWO and elite PTB...

home.tiscali.nl...

Originally posted by AngryAlien
Here's some more upcoming exercises so you can plan your threads accordingly. Make sure you choose ones that you can put some spin on, as these are all likely to be "training" for the global domination by the NWO and elite PTB...

home.tiscali.nl...

I'll pretend you didnt just make the last quote, cause that's just plane stupid with regards to this thread. Have you ever heard me say that?

Back on topic: It confirms the nuke scenario:
28sep - 06oct: Steadfast noon2011 (volkel): NATO cross servicing exercise to train crews in loading, unloading and employing B61 tactical nuclear weapons. Participants: Volkel F-16's, Kleine Brogel F-16's, Aviano F-16's, Büchel Tornados, Ghedi Tornados and Balikesir F-16's,

It's also the only nuclear training in 2 years.

By the way, that mysteryship site is pretty cool; it monitors all military comms on UHF, VHF and HF. I've bookmarked it!

Originally posted by cappuccino

Originally posted by AngryAlien
Here's some more upcoming exercises so you can plan your threads accordingly. Make sure you choose ones that you can put some spin on, as these are all likely to be "training" for the global domination by the NWO and elite PTB...

home.tiscali.nl...

I'll pretend you didnt just make the last quote, cause that's just plane stupid with regards to this thread. Have you ever heard me say that?

Back on topic: It confirms the nuke scenario:
28sep - 06oct: Steadfast noon2011 (volkel): NATO cross servicing exercise to train crews in loading, unloading and employing B61 tactical nuclear weapons. Participants: Volkel F-16's, Kleine Brogel F-16's, Aviano F-16's, Büchel Tornados, Ghedi Tornados and Balikesir F-16's,

It's also the only nuclear training in 2 years.

edit on 27-9-2011 by cappuccino because: info

In 2 years, lol. So what were they planning for 2 years ago? You're just trying to preduct the future and speculating that this is more than just a standard training exercise.

What exactly do you think they are planning for? I think this is just a standard military training exercise, just like all the other upcoming events.

this exercise is called Operation Steadfast Noon 2011(SFNN 11), it is not secret, and it is on the list of upcoming and current events that I posted.

Here's some pictures from Steadfast Noon 2010(SFNN 10)...

forum.scramble.nl...

I'll pretend you didnt just make the last quote, cause that's just plain stupid with regards to this thread. this is an exercise that has occured in the past and will likely occur next year.

reply to post by snewpers

It's not a secret:
At present (2008) the USAF still provides 22 tactical B61 nuclear bombs for use by the Netherlands under the NATO nuclear weapons sharing agreement. These weapons are stored at Volkel Air Base and in time of war they may be delivered by Royal Netherlands Air Force F-16 warplanes.

Source: en.wikipedia.org...

Maybe the drills are a reaction to this...

en.ria.ru...

Russia and China are not going to stand down to UN agendas. It's inevitable that a major conflict will conspire at some point in the near future. The posturing continues...

Im very afraid we're going toward another World War. The globalists will not stop until they have total control... Psychopaths.

reply to post by colbyforce


Excellent find!
It seems that the prophecies I know of are coming true. When the UN/Nato/USA/Israel will attack Iran, Russia will start to move westwards. We all think that after the iron curtain fell, Russia's army became weak.
But Russia is pumping most of it's money in the army right now. Russia's financial minister stepped down yesterday because of a dispute with Medvedev about this.

reply to post by cappuccino


Oh boy. I heard about this major excercise on Dutch TV, but did not connect it with a subject I have been researching throughout this year: Germany wants to attack Iran. Germany has a shopping list to achieve a surprise attack:

- European economic unity through an engineered Euro crisis, with EU members handing over their sovereignty
- This will pave the way for a huge European Defense Force with a new HQ somewhere in Europe by the end of this year if you believe Catherine Ashton
- a German/Saudi led military coalition of a group of Arab nations
- EDF (and/or UN) military presence at strategic positions in the Middle East
- nukes on the ready: French, British, Pakistani nukes borrowed by the Saudis, whatever they can get their hands on.

Unfortunately, Germany can only get all parties on board if the Palestinians get their West Bank and East Jerusalem. Israel would never have that, because the land belongs to God and they can't give away God's land, as they see it. But the Israelis are in a mighty pickle: surrounded by enemies and not enough protection. So they will agree to a swap: land to the Palestinians in return for German led European protection. Their chiefs of staff have already cozied up together and made strong joint statements to warn off Iran.

Will Angela Merkel pull it off? After all, she promised us two things by this autumn: 1. economic unity in Europe, and 2. a Comprehensive Middle East Peace Agreement. Her very own words. Spoken earlier this year.

I find the ESA seminar far more ominous than the NASA news conference. ESA = European high tech defense. All decision makers together in one handy place on the day the German Bundestag votes on economic unity through some cleverly crafted 'rescue' package, and who knows, will the UN Security Council have finished their back room negotiations on the same day and be ready to vote on Palestinian independence, the lynch pin of the deceptive Comprehensive Middle East Peace Agreement, which is nothing more but a huge military alliance to attack Iran?

The date: 29th of September. Or to be more precise: in the dark of night after sunset.

Dare to think the unthinkable. Inspired by Peter Woolford's book The Genesis Grid, which predicts something major happening in the night of the 29th of September. A headline grabbing event which will involve power, the end of an empire and the beginning of a new one, and fraud & deception and finance. A major power will be cut down, through fraud, deception and hidden powers.

Watch the night after the 29th of September. Watch the Bundestag's vote. Watch the UN vote in New York. Because I think the delegates to the ESA seminar will.

I have all the links pertaining to Merkel's statements, the joint Israeli-German chiefs of staff, the Saudis borrowing Pakistani nukes, even the German/Saudi trade officals joking about the idea of calling this military alliance a 'peace agreement', but I am writing this way after my bedtime. So please check these aspects for yourself: don't believe me, believe Google! (Peter Woolford explains his book in great detail in his regular radio interviews at X-Zone radio. It's all archived on their website)

Oh boy. Another piece of the puzzle. I so hope I got it all wrong.

reply to post by BooBetty


Yes, you got it partially wrong.
Technically the second world war never ended.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Germany is an illegal state aka occupied territory.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
If you hear (das) Merkel talking, you're listening to the voice of the USA and Israel.

I've just listened to Radio Nederland, and here is the rough translation of what general Theo de Graaf explained about ‘Falcon Autumn’:

Operation 'Falcon Autumn' is held over a period of 2 weeks, spread out across the provinces of Gelderland, Overijssel, Drenthe, Friesland en Groningen. Today's excercise takes place at the TT circuit in Assen, and civilians are being/have been informed through local radio, newspapers and other media. All presented in a very laid back way: a so-called National Freedom Movement is threatening the peace, and Dutch forces will be approaching civilians and 'key leaders' like local mayors etc to ask them for intel. They will use intel gathering techniques and technical methods perfected in Afghanistan, as General Theo de Graaf explained. All very jolly.

Last time they had a large excercise was in 2003, preparing for Afghanistan. 'Our people enjoy getting this hands-on experience', de Graaf explained. Only the US, UK and NL have the capacity for this kind of 'aerosol?' helicopter style excercise. Fort Hood in Texas is used sometimes to finetune this collaboration. Source: Radio Nederland interview today.

Unnamed EU officials say that "Crown Vigilance" wants to steal nuclear weapons from Volkel AFB for nefarious purposes.

But a more careful look at the situation reveals the bluff, as we're not in 2000. We're in 2016. Crown Vigilance might be soon exposed ...