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Originally posted by BrnBdry
When are you ever going to address Jack Parsons?
Seriously, he is the crux of the entire discussion. JPL NASA was taken to space by a man who believed he was communicating with spirits and he even anointed himself as an anti-christ. . . . .
It is obvious you have nothing to counter this.
How about this, Jack Parsons was a lunatic, and anyone that believes him is also a lunatic.
There's your Jack Parsons counter.
BUT!, for arguments sake lets say he was communicating with spirits. Now, just because he's in space, doesnt mean those spirits are aliens. Perhaps spirits can roam the galaxy freely.
Stop being a tool fo the church. It's seems as if youre begging people to believe you.
Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by MasterGemini
Do you believe in evolution?
Thanks,
Erno86
Originally posted by Erno86
reply to post by MasterGemini
I'm not an atheist by a long shot... but I believe in evolution. That is...the human race evolved to a point to where we are today; the same as all the living creature's have done in the whole Universe.
My question is that you have labled all of these space entities that have visited Earth as "demons." So if your so called "demons" have been here, do you think that they were a product of evolution, or spawned from the spirit world or just a plain ole "evil" living creatures?
Cheers,
Erno86
lol. Signing over your soul to a demon or the Devil is a fairly recent literally fairytale that has little to no basis from any historical text. The whole concept is that either you sign a contract with GOD or you default to demons/sin/death/devil.
Originally posted by Chrysalis
And I guess it's also common knowledge that aliens go around tricking humans, giving them gifts and have them sign pacts to sell their soul...
Originally posted by Chrysalis
I don't belittle followers of abrahamic faiths, just the little portion of them that can't keep their rants in the religion / supernatural forums.
The ones that think the words "believe in aliens" is blashpemy.
Don't quote me without referencing me.
You have offered no proof. Just a wide statement saying demons could make us believe whatever they want.
That statement is so broad it could apply to anything, Even the moon could just be a giant demon in the sky.
*sigh* Most of your argument is sound, so I'm going to only point out the things which aren't as sound as they should be:
Originally posted by Komodo
That REALLY sounds malevolent to me~! If demons have ANYTHING do with that encounter, they would have either toasted that plane in a big giant ball of flame or rammed it with their ship ~!!
Don't you think? .........let me put this way, Demons = malevolent, Angels = Benevolent and there's no switching camps for them.. Do I think they're Angels, no, I think they are exactly what they are, ETs, nothing more and nothing less.
I'll be waiting for those scriptures starting from Genesis to Revelations, in context please.
This is but 1 of many: You don't have to commit an evil act for you to be acting upon evil. Intent matters to God. It won't necessarily put you in jail in any given country, but it can warp the long term goals of ANY benevolent behavior. Sort of a: " I feed the children so that no man will dig up my back yard to find all the innocent that I ate, let alone killed." This is what makes our politicians so successful. So can demons be beneficial while still having evil intent?
But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
The thing is we've been in the end times, or era, per se, since Christ ascended. 2000 years of end times. There's been plenty during that whole time that could fit.
Originally posted by BO XIANThe Bible speaks of a GREAT DELUSION of the END TIMES. The evidence indicates the critters and stuff surrounding them fit the description precisely.
Here's the rub: Are you truly paranoid when the world is REALLY out to get you? The only thing that proves whether it is delusion or not is whether or not this all ends, what actually lines up. Hindsight. Now, every single End of Days date set in stone as a prediction, that has already passed, has failed. But just like failing to predict the right date and time of a potential tsunami, earthquake, volcanic eruption, or hurricane, that doesn't change the fact that one will come, eventually. ?The end of time will come. I don't need to hasten it. I don't need to search for signs or alternative prophecies. And I certainly don't have to look at every failed prediction and assume that it will always fail (Although I'm one of those Christians who doesn't believe in knowing the date, via scripture, so I generally have a great day on doomsdays.)
Originally posted by BO XIANThe phenomena fit precisely into the description of the END TIMES DELUSION predicted in the New Testament.
I did. Hence why I really don't care.
Originally posted by romanmel
Label this thread:
inconsequential
in·con·se·quen·tial 1.Not important or significant
- he talked about inconsequential things
A lot of what is proven wrong is often the conclusions drawn from the text source, not the text itself. The latter? Pick your poison. Running away doesn't fix anything.
Originally posted by ImtorHow disrespectful coming from the other forum there to talk about what people here want to stay away from, esoecially when religion is proven wrong so many times.
Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by Diplomat
Any proof of these Magical Ceremonies being real? Because everything i have ever read that was considered to be Demonic or Magical Ritual isnt real.
According to osme contactee's these ET's have a smell and you can touch them they even have an aura about them. Demons arent Physical (if such things exist). So how can Demons be Aliens when they are not even Physical?
Originally posted by Zeer0
reply to post by Diplomat
Any proof of these Magical Ceremonies being real? Because everything i have ever read that was considered to be Demonic or Magical Ritual isnt real.
According to osme contactee's these ET's have a smell and you can touch them they even have an aura about them. Demons arent Physical (if such things exist). So how can Demons be Aliens when they are not even Physical?
I wish you had something to contribute other than trying to find a way to attack my persons