I've typed up a flyer that I'm going to pass out at church and then possibly put it on every windo

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by mishigas
Fine. As long as you admit to being a bigot.

I do not. I do not regard religious people with hatred. I was stating a simple fact: Most religions do not support women's reproductive rights and equality for gays. Stating this fact doesn't make me a bigot. But if you wish to call me that, feel free.

I'd like to see proof of your 'simple fact' as initially stated. Not that it matters, because you won't be able to prove it, but the fact that you saw the need to bring it into the thread is telling. And now you're trying to make it 'religions' instead of religious people, as you initially said. Nice try.

And all of that has absolutely nothing to do with the great number of good people who are religious.

Right. I was talking about Ron Paul there, not religious people. I don't know why you're mixing the two.

Nice try again. You are the one who mixed the two:

Don't forget to mention that Ron Paul will turn over personal freedoms guaranteed by the US Constitution to the whim of the majority in the states and he will allow the states to decide whether or not to discriminate against women and gay people. Of course, that would probably make the religious people all warm and fuzzy inside.

You could have talked all day long without mixing the two and still had an OK post. You chose to make the bigoted statement, not anybody else. And it seems as if you don't like our Constitution -- why are you against states rights? Never mind -- this discussion is pointless. Can't argue with someone in denial.

reply to post by Swing80s

What would you want?
- $10,000 worth of paper or $10,000 worth of Gold?
10 years from now what will you need?
- $10,000 worth of Gold or $10,000 worth of BULLETS?

This type of sensationalist hyperbole won't convince anyone to even consider Dr. Paul. It will even make him look more goofy than he already does. That's just my opinion.

reply to post by whaaa


i agree, it seems more of a wakeup call then a ron paul info page. I would suggest just throwing out Ron Paul and what he believes, and some interesting facts on how the MSM ignores him.

Or just drop Paul completely, and just write a paper to try to enlighten the people that they are all being controlled by a handful of people, who are using them as slaves for their agenda, poisoning their people's food, causing mental illness and disease, spraying toxins into our atmosphere, stopping technology from moving forward to keep their profits up, and blurring the lines of fact and fiction with their MSM propaganda machine.

Okay guys... So when I tried to print these out for church my parents (my step dad is on youtube on the ACS website and is in charge of the ACS and Relay for Life in the NW, I keep telling him he needs to run for city counsil, look up John Drollinger on Google he had to bathe his father when he was 16 and carry him back and fourth from the bathroom and bedroom until he died around the same time from colon cancer). My parents said "separation of church and state, blah blah blah". So I was told to ask our new female pastor. But I'm having some trouble as I got in an argument with another liberterian childhood friend of mine who was going to New York while I was telling him that most people in Wall Street are leeches because they're just gamblers synonymous with a 50 year old woman playing the penny slots in Vegas only using millions of dollars instead. He claimes that they aren't leeches but essential in starting up new companies to create jobs, but I tried to convince him It's not like in the new Wall Street movie where the kid is trying to invest in a "breakthrough" scientific company and trying to help them start up. In reality the second the stock in that company would drop what do you think a "real" businessman would do? But these companies like to recruit the best and brightest to come up with great ideas like "derivatives" instead of letting them become doctors, scietists, etc... that might actually benefit society.

I accidently hit delete and my page went back before I could copy everything so I'll try to remember everything I posted before it was lost.

- Anyways my personal beliefs (please don't call me a bigot as I don't flaunt these beliefs in a hateful manner they're just what I believe to be right)

- I believe in a smaller federal government
- I believe in "states rights" but not to the extreme that the confederacy went to and of course not stemming from racism
- I believe that you should be able to what you want in the privacy of your own home without looking behind your shoulder
- I almost forgot this but since this is probably the most controversial I'll just come out and say it - I don't believe in gay marriage, I do have plenty of gay friends though but personally I believe marriage has been taken too lightly recently with divorces skyrocketing etc... If gay marriage passes throughout the country what's next? Can I marry 3 women? I mean if the fundamentals of marriage are thrown out then where will it stop? Can I marry 10 women? Can I marry 10 men? Can I marry my pet cat? Can I marry a tree? Do you guys understand where I'm coming from? I'm not a homophobe or gaybasher though I just believe marriage was and always should be between a man and a woman or where will it stop?

- I believe that your urine, blood, and hair shouldn't be taken from you under threat of "non-compliance" etc... Do you know how demeaning it is when some dude is watching you pee in a cup paying close attention to your penis to make sure you aren't trying to "trick" them? I have a story from a friend about how he got called into probation for a UA but he had to relieve his bowels soo bad that when he got called into the restroom the only way he could try and collect urine was to actually sh|t in front of this guy he hardly knew while the guy just watched him and laughed (PO's have powertrips because it's the only thing they get out of their bland jobs). He couldn't collect urine so had to drink tons of water so he could try peeing again in front of the same guy who made him wait even longer when he really had to urinate. It's not the first time they've made people who were on the verge of peeing their pants wait usually resulting in them going to the public restroom to pee and then waiting around an hour until they could go again.
- I believe in the legalization of some drugs and the prescrpition of class A drugs like heroin and coc aine like they do in europe and the opportunity for addicts that are unwilling to change to get a prescription under the doctor to get their drug in a pure, clean form i.e. Britain and Switzerland. This would would essentially end the violence in mexico with the cartels. Just like how the end of Prohibition ended the majority of the Mafia's grip on the country.
- I STRONGLY believe against abortion (especially late term abortion). As a phlebotomist soon to be attending PA school I think it's attrocious to kill another living being it isn't "My Body My Choice" it's "Two Bodies One WRONG Choice". I understand that there are and have been acceptions but as a healthcare worker I just can't accept it. I hope most of you know that Margaret Sanger was a racist and was "offering" free birth control to help stop African Americans to breed."The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race www.dianedew.com...
- I believe that you should MAKE your own person out of the hardwork it takes to get that position whatever it maybe... I had a little trouble choosing what I felt about it but I do believe that families shouldn't suck Uncle Sam's tit for handouts while pumping out babies to get more of a payoff most likely for their addictions
- I do believe that certain people DO deserve money from the government in certain cases (like my dad a retired Airforce Cpt and PA who's boss made him hand out scripts at the pill mills he was running causing my dad to unkowningly give prescriptions to DEA agents who arrested him and caused him to lose his liscense even tho he cooperated fully and was about to report his doctor (Dad didn't go to prison but the doctor did it was all over the news)

Oh yeah I forgot to mention about all this affirmative action and all these "handouts" for "bright" minorities. Let me give you a story about a friend of mine. We were best friends in college and she was Veitnamese, not South Veitnames but Communist Veitnamese. After her parents probably shot at my great uncle and killed Americans in the Vietnamese War, they fled on a boat to Hawaii. Since she was born in Hawaii we'll call her "Kim" was a citizen while I'm sure her parents claimed refugee status. Anways she went to CWU with me all paid for. While I was scrounging around in college to try and make a life she just breezed through the classes even though she smoked more pot than me. Anyways "Kim" got another full ride to Pharmacy school where she promptly cut off contact with me even though we were best friends. Now please tell me if it's right that a girl who's parents shot and killed americans and could have even shot at my great uncle and grandpa get to come over here and get all these free handouts for there children. While my ancestors on the other hand, my Dad, uncle, great uncle, and 3 grandpas fought for the US during the cold war to stop communism and my Dad gets arrested, threatened with prison, and gets his lisence revoked (even though he got a job the whole thing sickend him enough to just give up medicine now he collects unemployment and his wife who was a pharm tech in the AF and drug rep before now scrubs toilets at a nursing home). I know "Kim" wasn't communist but even though she's got better grades why can't they take what my family has doen for this goddamn country into consideration when I go to interview for PA school. I gave up on pharmacy school after seeing that out of each of the graduating classes half of them were asian. And I bet most of them were only 2nd generation like "Kim". Why don't we treat everybody equal because when it comes to the medical grad school field it feels more like in the past except asians are treated as whites and everybody else are just the riff raff "minority" and they just HAAAAAVE to take in these non-asians even though blacks, whites, etc have more deep rooted ties and they're ancestors have done more for this country then these recent imigrants have.... sorry for the rant but when you notice this kinda sh|t in pharm school it pisses me off. Anyways please help me with this flyer I'm not racist I'm just explaining what I've experienced...

Additional rights I believe in:

- they can take my guns off my cold dead body lol we'll just call it gun rights
- I believe that there was no talk our founding fathers had about a "2 party system"
- I strongly believe that EVERYBODY should have the right to run for president but I understand that because it's so expensive to run successfully you need to be extrememely wealthy or have the backing of one party. I sincerely believe that there's a way around it through some brain storming and that we can find a way

Originally posted by gimme_some_truth

Originally posted by Swing80s



- $10,000 worth of Gold or $10,000 worth of BULLETS?

Yeah, I don't get why you are asking if we will want $10,000 worth of bullets 10 years from now. Are you saying that if we don't elect Ron paul everyone is going to go on a shooting spree 10 years from now?

You still have not answered this question. A few people were wondering.

So, what is up with the bullets? I would honestly leave that part out.... You are likely to scare people away with that.

Originally posted by Swing80s
Additional rights I believe in:

- they can take my guns off my cold dead body lol we'll just call it gun rights
- I believe that there was no talk our founding fathers had about a "2 party system"
- I strongly believe that EVERYBODY should have the right to run for president but I understand that because it's so expensive to run successfully you need to be extrememely wealthy or have the backing of one party. I sincerely believe that there's a way around it through some brain storming and that we can find a way

I saw a great RP video the other day. It outlined his platform in a kinder and gentler way, and was in his own words...maybe you could take a look....let me research a little to see if I can find it.

Originally posted by Swing80s
Additional rights I believe in:

- they can take my guns off my cold dead body lol we'll just call it gun rights
- I believe that there was no talk our founding fathers had about a "2 party system"
- I strongly believe that EVERYBODY should have the right to run for president but I understand that because it's so expensive to run successfully you need to be extrememely wealthy or have the backing of one party. I sincerely believe that there's a way around it through some brain storming and that we can find a way

I saw a great RP video the other day. It outlined his platform in a kinder and gentler way, and was in his own words...maybe you could take a look....let me research a little to see if I can find it.

Here you go.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I tried to help you after you pm'd me to keep your thread going...but honestly, after your last two posts, I give up! There is no help for you, you seem to have everything in the world figured out, and extremely set in your ways.

Too bad, I almost went against my personal beliefs, to help someone out!

Sorry if my personal beliefs bothered you... and yeah I was pissed off and "ranting". But come-on I've graduated from college in a recession (with an AA degree, a B.S. in IDS, and a minor in Psych and Zoology, I've had to move back into my parents while I'm taking additional prereq classes for PA school at the same community college that I graduated from with an AA degree during highschool graduation ( a program called running start), and it's taking FOREVER for my phlebotomy program to get me my externship which was guaranteed for me when I started it 6 months ago and is constantly for lack of a better term "jewing" me and my family. Seriously I have NO repsect for doctors and lawyers and other people that got thier degrees and jobs decades ago. If these same people knew how hard it was to get a decent job of the same calibre nowadays they would be horrified! Old people are lucky they got to walk into a store and ask for an application for a job. NOW if you want to get ANY job you must do it through the internet and you don't get to show them what you look like, how you speak, and what kind of person you actually are!

What I mean by bullets are is if this kinda crap continues there's gunna be more and more civil strife like in the rest of the world. And what do you think those Arabs in Tripoli would rather have 200 dollars or an SKS with 200 rounds of ammo?

OK that link WAS AWESOME! I'll take away the reference to bullets and tone it down, I might even just simplify it. But I need MORE links to provide so people that check it out can receive even more info!

I'll prolly say "Today would you prefer 10,000 dollars in gold or 10,000 dollars in paper?" then "if our country countinues to decline would 10,000 dollars in gold be best for "survival"(might not include survival) maybe "living" or something.