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Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
reply to post by m1991
So everyone is more worried about being fired than the truth? Firefighters who risk their lives and journalists, at least some of whom do their job because of principle, are all - every single one of them - more worried about a paycheck than revealing a monumentally venal conspiracy?
I can't buy that. Even if you are more worried about money than morals I have personal experience of individuals who are not. And history is full of examples of selflessness and conscience of that kind.
Originally posted by nake13
A lot of that is probably because of their loyalty to the government (being firefighters).
Why would you assume that firefighters would demonstrate loyalty to the government in that fashion? really those guys give a professional opinion and it becomes part of the larger conspiracy? what about the firefighters for truth network?
To accuse these firefighters who lost so many of their own during 9/11 does seem to be clutching at straws,unless you can provide evidence to the contrary?
Originally posted by micmerci
reply to post by sir_slide
Here is the rebuttal to the alleged thermite theory.
www.debunking911.com...
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
I invite you to provide even ONE example where any controlled demolition in all of history ever demolished a building from the inside out, in the way that building 7 actually fell
Originally posted by hooper
Really? Prove it. Thats a pretty big assumption, I take it you have something to back it up. Besides, its based on the faulty notion that the media is this one big entangled conglomerate that is under the control of a few evil doers. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Originally posted by m1991
Firefighters would have no connection to the origin of 9/11, so whether they are truthers or OSers it doesn't really matter.
Journalists, you have to remember, they have families to feed and stuff. Most people don't really care about people who aren't genetically related to them.
It's understandable they don't want to lose their jobs. Besides, there are journalists who question the OS.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I don't understand. There are several firefighters on record saying that what happened to Building 7 was expected.
I think argument #2 should be that too many people need to make a coordinated effort to pull off such a huge monumental undertaking. I mean our government can't make a simple decision without an act of Congress let alone commit the acts of 911.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
I don't understand. There are several firefighters on record saying that what happened to Building 7 was expected.
No they didn't.
Find me one firefighter who said building 7 was going to completely collapse into its own footprint.
There is a huge difference between saying a building is going to collapse, and a building is going to collapse into its own footprint in a way normally only possible with a controlled 'implosion' demolition.
If anyone said it was going to completely collapse beforehand they must have known it was set up to collapse, because there is no precedence for such a claim, no past history of steel framed buildings collapsing from fire to base that claim on.
Details man, pay attention to the details.
edit on 9/6/2011 by ANOK because: typo
Originally posted by ANOK
No they didn't.
Find me one firefighter who said building 7 was going to completely collapse into its own footprint.
There is a huge difference between saying a building is going to collapse, and a building is going to collapse into its own footprint in a way normally only possible with a controlled 'implosion' demolition.
If anyone said it was going to completely collapse beforehand they must have known it was set up to collapse, because there is no precedence for such a claim, no past history of steel framed buildings collapsing from fire to base that claim on.
Details man, pay attention to the details.
edit on 9/6/2011 by ANOK because: typo
Originally posted by captiva
I very rarely get involved in 9/11 posts because like "Groundhog day" its just a run on the same info with the usual suspects saying the usual things and playing the usual games.
If I could get a bookie to lay me odds on who will say this and that, when they will join a thread and what tactics they will use to derail, evade the issues and stick to the "Official Story" I would be worth a fortune.
Like it or not people we have all the evidence we need to know everything was scripted that day in the form of the female BBC reporter that became a mystic, looked into the future and told us WTC7 had fallen as we watched it still erect on screen.
I rest my case.
Respects
Originally posted by Cecilofs
The stupid thing about lines like this about 9/11 is that its a conspiracy either way you look at it. If it really was Terrorists, then those Terrorists formed a conspiracy to carry out 9/11. Its just as much a leap of faith to believe terrorists could have done it as the government.
Originally posted by TrickoftheShadeOn your first point I could only speculate. But I think a lot of conspiracy theorists - I use the term in the traditional sense - are quite keen to impose a palatable narrative on a series of events that they find disquieting.
Originally posted by Cecilofs
The point is, neither version of events is palatable. Both are disquieting. So why is one automatically more believable than the other? Either way 3000 people died. Either way its horrible. Either way it involves large-scale plans by powerful entities.
The point is that this is exactly what happens with any official story as well - you come up with an explanation that seems to fit and then release it to the masses. All explanations after the fact are based on inductive reasoning, testing evidence, science, talking to witnesses etc. etc. All of which comes down to fitting an event into a model of how it happened. Sometimes people all agree the model is accurate, sometimes not. At the end of the day, its a model, not the real event.
Therefore, believing any OS is as much a faith-based excercise as beliving any conspiracy theory.
Therefore that argument against conspiracy theories is bull#.