2008 Fremont CA UFO

This is another example of footage that actually shows something unique and deserves to be labeled "UFO". The part to focus on starts at about 20 seconds. The reason why I find this one interesting, is that it appears to be a craft using covert lighting. This type of lighting is used by the military. It mainly consists of IR emitters located in specific spots on the airframe, which help give shape to the vehicle, which can then be seen using NVGs. This could be used in AR tanking and other situations where aircraft would want to be able to see each other, without using standard lighting. However... Covert lighting is something still fairly new. Very few known aircraft have been retrofitted, or designed with it pre-installed. Companies such as Oxley and CPC specialize in this, and their equipment has been utilized in retrofitting some aircraft. But during the time of this video, very few known aircraft would have had this. And the shape that it conveys is interesting. It could possibly be some sort of regular light leaking out in very small amounts from a normal aircraft. But it would seem very odd in those specific locations on the craft. Also... You can see in the beginning of the video that there's another aircraft at a higher altitude, which has a normal strobe. You can compare the difference by how much brighter that normal lighting is. The location of the sighting is also odd, as it is nowhere near any restricted range. This is all assuming the video has not been doctored of course. Which is becoming more and more difficult to detect.

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It definately looks like an aircraft flown by people to me.

I don't really know what you mean by the lighting, is it light you can't see with the naked eye but you can see with a device or something?

Maybe they are just testing it out and stuff.

I'd say UFO in the sense that we don't know what kind of craft it is, but I would definitely say it is military. One way to check would be to get the Radar data from that time period.

As one of the comments in the video said too, it looks like it could be from a F117. It would make sense to have our stealth tech be retrofitted with the IR lights first.

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Well then, I'd say it is identified, kinda.

We know who's flying it, and that's the military!

Too far away to be exact on what kind of aircraft it is... I don't know much about aircraft, but I could see that it was a stealth plane.

The person who was filming this, how did he have the thingy to see the plane? the umm device that can see IR lighting.

I like that footage. It's been discussed a number of times.

Very strange lighting arrangement for a single aircraft though. I think it's a tight formation at fairly high altitude using, as you suggest, NVG.

The 940th ARW is based quite near Fremont.
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It was Night Vision Goggles. You can also use a IR filter to see them too in certain situations if you know the wavelength of the Infrared(IR).

It could be as Phage said too though. Which is a few planes flying in a tight formation. Considering that it is Military there is no telling what they are experimenting with. They could be running odd formations like that so when they are flying combat missions they can simulate the appearance of a UFO for the whole psychological impact. There is no telling.

The shape is in fact consistent with the 117. However, to my knowledge... none of the test/eval airframes, nor the combat production airframes, ever had external covert lighting. If they did start working on updating them, it would have first been retrofitted to one of the early EMD test airframes at Palmdale. Specifically, it would have probably been either 84-0811 or 85-0831, as those two were the last to be used in most testing and upgrades, before the 117 testing came to an end. To my knowledge though, that upgrade was never addressed in that program. UAV would be unlikely, as they are severely restricted to where they can work, and that area is not one of them. Unlike standard lighting which could be non stealthy on a 117, due to the fact that it can be removed during actual combat sorties... Covert lighting would have been a fairly involved upgrade, as it would have had to be stealthy, since it would be utilized during combat. That would mean new RCS testing and such... Even for something as small as that.

This video is still unsolved, this video turned up in the Irish Sun as, UFO spotted above Dublin as Ireland turns X-Files
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The same video originally showed up in 2008 with the location given as Freemont, California....


Some say It's just set of airplanes that is flying in formation. It would be one hell of tight formation especially at night, I have my doubts there are no beacons and the visible lights are very, very close.
Another explanation- hang glider. Its illegal to fly hang gliders at night. Its illegal to fly a hang glider over a city. Also the altitude and speed are not consistant with any hang glider.
FAA regulations:

FAA rules concerning ultralight vehicles and hang-gliders: § 103.11 Daylight operations. (a) No person may operate an ultralight vehicle except between the hours of sunrise and sunset. § 103.15 Operations over congested areas. No person may operate an ultralight vehicle over any congested area of a city, town, or settlement, or over any open air assembly of persons. § 103.17 Operations in certain airspace. No person may operate an ultralight vehicle within Class A, Class B, Class C, or Class D airspace or within the lateral boundaries of the surface area of Class E airspace designated for an airport unless that person has prior authorization from the ATC facility having jurisdiction over that airspace.

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Here is a letter written by the original up loader.

1. I no longer live in the area and so from memory, I believe it was traveling in a northwesterly to southeasterly direction. I'd have to go back to the site and reconfirm to make sure. 2. That was the only time I saw it. The night before I saw another odd shape flying around going in the opposite direction. It's the "night vision / infrared ufo 001" clip on my youtube page. 3. Check out my youtube page to see the other clips I have. 4. No, hang gliders are not common in this city. In fact, in the 4 years or so that I lived there, I never saw one anywhere in town. Hang gliding is not popular around here at all. As to my story, I bought a 3rd generation ATN PVS-14 night vision goggle. I hooked it up to a modified infrared/uv capable Sony camcorder. You can use any camcorder for this sort of thing but I had mine modified so that I could capture UFOs during the daytime. On a side note, on my first day out with it during the daytime, I captured a definite otherwordly craft that I put up on my youtube page titled, "daytime infrared black ufo". While the technical quality of the video sucks big time, the object in the video blew me away and left me speechless. But back to the current video in question... At the time of the craft sighting, I would usually go out in my backyard for anywhere between 10 minutes up to an hour skywatching. I would just pan and zoom in to whatever I would catch through the goggles. That night I saw the regular commercial planes flying about until I spotted something moving at a much higher elevation and going at a faster speed than all the other planes. I zoomed in with my camcorder and spotted the unknown craft. I was awestruck as this thing flew by and I could only see it with the goggles and not my naked eyes. It also was completely silent as it whizzed by. It was somewhere around 8:30pm-9:45pm when I saw the craft. After it left, I went inside my house and converted the clip to upload to youtube. When the TV crew came over for the interview, it was quite funny to see how staged the whole interview process was. They were definitely actors with some interest in the paranormal. They were there with me for about two hours filming. I was probably on camera for at least 30 minutes as the actors/hosts asked me many similar questions. The funniest part was how much they tried to insist on what I saw was an "alien spacecraft". We did a few takes as they asked me that question a few times and I kept on telling them, "NO. I don't think it was an alien craft. I really don't know what it was. Whatever I say is just conjecture on my part. I really don't know." As they kept on insisting I say that it was an ET craft I told them, "If I had to guess, I would say that it was probably a secret government craft". They balked at that response and said that it wouldn't look good for their TV show if I said that since their show was supposed to be about "paranormal" stuff and not conspiracy theory-regular mundane government stuff. So we did a few more takes until they got the response they wanted to hear. Ha ha! In the end they asked, "Would you be at least open to the possibility that it was an alien spacecraft, even just a little bit?" Seeing that they still didn't get it, I said that it was possible but I still didn't think so. If you review the clip on the show, you'll see they quickly edited out my direct response to their question about it being a "possible" ET craft. The actors/hosts then asked me if I had more similar footage. I said yes but that their producers told me they weren't interested in my other clips. They seemed to be mesmerized by my daytime ufo sightings as I told them what had happened. The actors/hosts were then confused and asked the onsite producer why they didn't look into my other clips. He told us that it would take the focus away from the current clip and that they would have to try and dubunk the others as well. He told us that basically it was too much work for them to do. :rolleyes: When I saw the final result, I was disappointed with their outcome. One of the producers had told me that he thought the clip was "very good" and he said they wouldn't be able to debunk it. Based on the show, it was a supposed hang glider?! That was hilarious! That is sooooo wrong on so many levels. Hang gliders do not fly over this city. There is no place for them to take off and land from where I live. Hang gliders do not fly at night here, even if they did, you would be able to see their mandatory FAA anti-collision lights which always blink. And like I said, I could not see the craft with my naked eyes. Hang gliders do not fly above 30,000 ft in the sky above commercial planes, as I showed the object flying over those planes in my clip. I have the raw footage (which by the way they didn't even want and only used the youtube low quality version, go figure) which shows I did not use any post-processing to remove the stars or supposed man flying the hang glider...I could go on but you get the idea. All in all, the TV crew were nice people and I enjoyed working with them but I saw with my own eyes that these guys don't seem to be really interested in investigating in its true sense. I quickly saw that this show is more about sensationalism/misinformation and TV ratings above everything else. That was sad indeed.

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I guess what I'm getting to is... I don't know what it is
A UFO....

Yup, a true UFO. As in we don't know what kind of conventional human piloted aircraft it is.

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I would agree, not saying it's ET...

i was born and raised in fremont and lived there over 20 years.

theres plenty of hang-gliders in fact the mission peak/warm springs area is somewhat of a hotspot.

but hes right that they wouldnt be flying at night or 30,000 ft.

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but hes right that they wouldnt be flying at night or 30,000 ft.

There is NO WAY to determine the altitude from the information we have here. Saying 30,000 feet or believing that is REMOTELY accurate is an example of profound ignorance.

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more likely came from Travis AFB in the north bay.

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i never said any of that. im commenting on his words from the transcript.

out of the various things he said, the 2 that are correct are that a hang-glider wouldnt be gliding at night or 30,000 feet.

the "there are no gliders in this town" comment is incorrect.

Mission peak is the highest point in fremont that a glider would be able to take off from which is a maximum of 2517ft.

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is everybody in the ufo forum this uptight?

Most people say F-117. I wouldn't rule it out, even though it's officially retired. A couple videos and forum threads say otherwise, particularly when some training exercises out west are being done.

However, I propose an alternate.

If it's a good way up there (30,000+ ft), a B-1B Lancer would also be a very good candidate for a known aircraft that could produce this light formation profile. It would also be a faster jet than the F-117 at cruise, which would seem to fit the footage better. Anybody know the layout of any IR marker lights it may have?



Still, given what we know right now it falls in the UFO category.

I had not seen his explanation. I'm glad he was honest about the TV show. Not that I am surprised one bit, but it is good to hear it from the horses mouth. It just shows that you cannot take any TV show, or media piece seriously. They have one goal, and that is to produce entertainment.

What would be great to know is his exact location and exactly what direction it was moving. It seems like it's in a turn to me, but that might be an optical illusion and actually the camera panning. If it IS turning, that would indicate a fairly medium or less altitude, and slower speed. And it would also indicate the craft was in a local control area, like a class B... having possibly just left somewhere or approaching somewhere. That's what it looks like to me.

I highly doubt FL300. That is very high, and the craft would have to be giant to be seen so clearly. It strikes me as being a fairly small craft and at a middle altitude... probably teens. Can I prove that... No. But you can see the other airliner in the beginning, which does show the characteristics of a much higher altitude. If it was in the teens, that would also give the appearance of higher speed.

Also don't buy the formation thing. You'd have to be the Blue Angels to look like that in a formation.

On the B-1... Once again, to my knowledge, there has been no effort to convert to covert lighting that I know of. It would be easy enough to see one that had it, as they're readily viewable. The covert lighting would most benefit aircraft that do a lot of tanking... ie: tankers and fighter size craft. That's the main benefit of the covert lighting, is to give each of them an easier chance to spot one another during AR. One of the requirements of KC-X tanker program is covert lighting as original equipment.

I also just found a white paper outlining needs for upgrades to existing KC-135 Guard tankers, which calls for added covert external lighting, dated 2011. So the capability is still very new. And as mentioned, this video was quite a while ago. If it is in fact covert lighting on a craft, I would guess possibly something new.