Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

reply to post by spikey


I agree. It is indeed the opposite of mind to all that is Christian. Because war is just that. If I AM going to fight a war, I'm already sinning. I will give mercy where I can, but I am going to end the war as fast as possible with maximum results. War is ugly, and I don't intend to pretend to be a clean fighter.


Certainly hell is for this purpose, but I don' see you raping and pillaging with your kids. So I don't expect God to be doing that any time soon.


I am not condoning it. It is everything that I hate. But like I said, I will become what I hate to win a war as fast and quickly as possible. Such quick brutal motions not only prevent other wars out of fear, but prevent further deaths over the normality of this "thing" we call war today. This lie that we can be the noble people whom liberate a nation. Well alright, if I'm in a war, I will end it. Brutally efficiently, and fast. And it is evil. I am not condoning it. But it is the only way to minimalize your own losses and maximize theirs.


I have not seen military service, nor do I desire to. But I have seen bad things, and I know how to respond to bad things with utmost efficiency and maximum results. God help me if I ever do go to war, because I honestly am afraid of what I will become. I am afraid of what I will do. I know me. And I know I have no rules when it comes to the defense of my own life, and the lives I am assigned to protect. I know that I would not simply shoot some silly terrorist. I would honestly chase after them, and keep perusing them irregardless to my orders, until they, their whole base, and whatever in it is gone. The reason I have such fear and disgust of war, is because I know everything I say that I would do in it, I would do. I don't want to be that person.

Nothing I say about war or what I would do in it is Christian. Nothing I say I would do is right. What I am saying is that if I was in that situation, where I was forced to go to war or do something, I know that my mind has no rules when it comes to violence. The walls and defenses in my mind between peaceful and violent are many, and massive. But once crossed, there is no other dividing mark.

For me, being in combat, defense, or anything, means a complete allowance for the rage in my blood to do as it pleases.

The one thing I fear in this world is myself in that situation. I do not honestly know, nor care to know, what I would become. Nor do I wish to go down that path. I am afraid of war, and I am afraid all the more what it would make me into.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by Section31

 

Not my intention to put words in your mouth.

But if your going to say religion takes a different "angle". It would be an angle whereby the earth is only 6000 years, and healing lepors is a possibility for a moral soul, and man was made in the image of "GOD", despite evidence that we evolved from lesser beings.

You missed the point.

When the "Book of Revelation" was added to the bible, I personally think it was man's way of saying. "we are in control". As a result of religious groups trying to control the word, they stopped listening to what he was saying. Sciences are extensions to the word of God, but in a more complex and in-depth manner.

I personally believe they cannot exit without each other.

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Omg yea, Revelation is so mixed up its ridiculous, read the Essene revelation and compare the two it is like night and day. Funny alot of catholics find it to be apocryphal and therefore false, when it was found in the Vatican.

Originally posted by intrepid

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

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Does that explain it?

Are we generalizing?

All Christians are hateful, deceitful, and don't listen to their messiah?



Uncool man.

reply to post by Wolfenz


yea, that makes no sense. If there were more than just one god, then they would probably not care about us, in as much a child looses interest in ants once anther friend comes by, or even worse, they both decide to go burn down the whole ant hill.

The only thing worse than a mob of people, I imagine, is a mob of gods.

If God exists, there is just one. two's a crowed. I think my child analogy stands for itself.

Originally posted by NeverForget
The preaching of Christ could do with some improvement, not until the introduction of the "gentle Jesus, meak and mild" was hellfire introduced.

That's another whole different discussion. How could a loving god sentence his children to suffer for eternity? Personally I believe this to be another bastardization by the RCC. The translations of "sheol" and "gehenna" actually refer to the "pit". A place where dead bodies were hurled to get them out of the town and burn. Not a place where god sends the "wicked". Like I said, once man gets involved, things go to hell. Pun intended.

reply to post by intrepid


Agreed Intrepid.

The sentiments of compassion i wholeheartedly agree with, and like you i have intellectually debilitating trouble with the historical factual truthfulness of it all.

The message of love and compassion is fine, but in this case i'm definitely incline to shoot the messenger stone cold dead. (metaphorically speaking of course)

Edit: Off topic post removed and kicked myself.

reply to post by intrepid


Well it kind of says it right in there that it's for eternity. Not sure if it's really ever said to be temporary, but it is definable said to be for ever.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by NeverForget
The preaching of Christ could do with some improvement, not until the introduction of the "gentle Jesus, meak and mild" was hellfire introduced.

That's another whole different discussion. How could a loving god sentence his children to suffer for eternity? Personally I believe this to be another bastardization by the RCC. The translations of "sheol" and "gehenna" actually refer to the "pit". A place where dead bodies were hurled to get them out of the town and burn. Not a place where god sends the "wicked". Like I said, once man gets involved, things go to hell. Pun intended.

It's always "a different discussion".

Again, either those who wrote the bible lied, or Jesus really did support the law and prophets of the Old Testament AND preach hellfire.

If it's the former, it certainly doesn't add credence to the rest of the dogma within.

Originally posted by Centurionx

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by Section31

 

Not my intention to put words in your mouth.

But if your going to say religion takes a different "angle". It would be an angle whereby the earth is only 6000 years, and healing lepors is a possibility for a moral soul, and man was made in the image of "GOD", despite evidence that we evolved from lesser beings.

You missed the point.

When the "Book of Revelation" was added to the bible, I personally think it was man's way of saying. "we are in control". As a result of religious groups trying to control the word, they stopped listening to what he was saying. Sciences are extensions to the word of God, but in a more complex and in-depth manner.

I personally believe they cannot exit without each other.

edit on 8/30/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Omg yea, Revelation is so mixed up its ridiculous, read the Essene revelation and compare the two it is like night and day. Funny alot of catholics find it to be apocryphal and therefore false, when it was found in the Vatican.

Some, not all, Catholics take the "Book of Revelation" literally.

Same with certain sections within the "Book of Genesis".

Grain of Sand = Atom
Apple of Knowledge = Evolution of human awareness.
Tree of Knowledge = Evolutionary tree of humanity, which lead up to the first Adam.

Once people translate the fundamental aspect of "Genesis", through modern science, they will see how primitive man translated God's visions through examples found in the environment.

Why six days? If the person interpreting the vision is getting information in a flash, God sending "Genesis 1" quickly, they could very well mistaken 6 billion years of geological evolution for six days. God just hit the fast forward button, and mankind was not capable of slowing the vision down.

As we grow with our understanding of science, our biblical interpretations should also evolve.

Be humble or...

Get humbled, no matter what your belief(or unbelief).

'Sheol'...The pit? Ah yes, even Job, the oldest book in the bible talks of Sheol, and it is clear it is not just a wholly physical place. It is death, but it is like dying over and over and over. God does not 'send' anyone anywhere, we dig our own Sheol. Tragic, I know.

Originally posted by NeverForget
Again, either those who wrote the bible lied...

Or have been mistranslated by humans, for whatever reason. The RCC was sure an organization that displayed an aptitude for controlling the masses.

or Jesus really did support the law and prophets of the Old Testament AND preach hellfire.

Not according to texts. He said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill." Referring to the prophesies of genesis.

Hell is a creation of the RCC and by extension ALMOST the rest of Christianity.

reply to post by Centurionx


It's interesting that you bring up the book of Job. THAT is what ALL the bible is all about. Well said imo.

reply to post by intrepid


Estimated 162 references in the New Testament alone which warn of hell. Over 70 of these references were uttered by the Lord Jesus Christ!

Lost in translation? Or very direct and to the point?

Can't blame everything on the Roman Catholic Church, easily done though.

reply to post by intrepid


Through pain and long suffering the consciousness of man evolves, therefore making him more understanding. Think of man as a single entity both fleshly(physical) and soul(spiritual). By destroying each other we are a detriment to ourselves and thus to God. It is my belief man will one day cast off Fear which is the pinnacle of Death itself. Making death, pain, crying, fear, etc non existent in the universes.

Hope and Love is key here.

Originally posted by NeverForget
Can't blame everything on the Roman Catholic Church, easily done though.

Very easy actually if one has done research. The entity is more political than theological. That is my point of view. I don't mean to insult Catholics, I'm just pointing out the disparities between dogma and truth.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by NeverForget
Can't blame everything on the Roman Catholic Church, easily done though.

Very easy actually if one has done research. The entity is more political than theological. That is my point of view. I don't mean to insult Catholics, I'm just pointing out the disparities between dogma and truth.

When it comes to Christ's approach on taxes and law, he definitely gave responses that seemed political. I can agree with that. "What belongs to Caesar belongs to Caesar. What belongs to God belongs to god." is just one example. Even though the statement looks political, we could also say Christ was making a distinction between the physical and metaphysical.

Money = Physical property of man.
Soul = Metaphysical property of God.

Reading about what the Conquistadors did to the Mayan people and culture made my blood boil. They clearly were agents of death and destruction, but I take solace in the fact that the Vatican will be brought to it's knees by the angel of death. A fitting demise, they 'corrected' us now we will correct them. I don't hate all Catholics, I try not hate period, but the hypocrisy makes my stomach wretch. Refer to the Death card in astrology..

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I know I am spitting doom here, but also rebirth. So rejoice in our renewal and do not fear ever.

Originally posted by Centurionx
Reading about what the Conquistadors did to the Mayan people and culture made my blood boil.

They clearly were agents of death and destruction, but I take solace in the fact that the Vatican will be brought to it's knees by the angel of death. A fitting demise, they 'corrected' us now we will correct them. I don't hate all Catholics, I try not hate period, but the hypocrisy makes my stomach wretch. Refer to the Death card in astrology..

www.kathycooper.com...

I know I am spitting doom here, but also rebirth. So rejoice in our renewal and do not fear ever.

History can be an ugly thing.

As long as we learn from such mistakes, we will turn those ugly tings into something positive. Not the events themselves, but what we do after they occur.

Admit your flaws, learn from your flaws, and allow yourself to evolve.

What is important is that there are Christians learning.

reply to post by Section31


Amen.