Survey Results: Origins and Evolution

Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by TinfoilTP

Originally posted by caladonea
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

 

So....if Adman Eve are the first man and woman ever on earth .....and they had sons and daughters....then who did their sons and daughter marry and have children with?


The survey results are about what I expected.

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Ahh, you never heard the antidote. IF Adam and Eve's children existed, they would only be one step away from the original God creation with the fewest defects so incest would not create difficulties. As generations branched out they would be less and less related to the original, 3rd cousins 4th cousins etc. making no difficulties at all.

OR adam is a plural word, and as it says in genesis 1:27. adam was a race of males and females created in the image of the elohim (also a plural word). the solution is right in the text. the adam was a race of people, not a single first man, but a whole bunch of males and females. english translators put the word "man" where it originally said "adam." fer shame fer shame fer shame. hehe

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Now that is very interesting undo...

Kind of ties a lot of different theories (hypothesis really) together,

Notice how 'elohim' is very similar to 'elenin'..elohim being a race of presumably advanced ET's that created a race of Adams (humanity) in 'their own image'.

Very similar to the Sumerian stories about a race of advanced ET's, inhabiting or having an outpost on a planet in a system with a dim star on a long and eccentric orbit, itself orbiting our own star.

The 'second coming' of the 'creator' due around the millennium, or 'the rapture' etc., Mayan legend predicting Earth changing events around the same time, and the Hopi, and others.

PURE speculation, NO personal Belief of mine is being proposed here, just thinking out loud, but i find the coincidences are quite profound when all is considered.

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
So your saying you was not actually a Christian...

I went through the motions of being "born again," having been convinced (pressured) to do so.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by Gorman91
God did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because they were gay, he destroyed them because they had sunk so low that it as impossible to save them without direct intervention.

Yet the God of Abraham embraced and protected a man who willingly gave up his virgin daughters to gang rape? I propose that act is more inherently evil than anything that the Bible implies happened in the two supposed cities.

Damn SO, I am quickly becoming a fan. Your almost making me think your a rational human being verses the reptilian disinfo agent I was told you are.

Almost...your fooling nobody!!!

Your forgetting something btw. If God allows atrocities, it is for the greater good...its only evil if God didn't ordain it.
Do as I say, not as I do sort of thing

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Oh that.

Well yea, who was the more righteous man? The one trying to save himself? or the ones willing to be sacrificed? the mob wanting a sacrifice?

I say they were all wrong. I don't see any reason, however, to judge a man's entire life for one wrong deed. Nor the daughters. But we know that Sodom and Gomorrah had a history. So I suppose they were the worst.




I mean to carry this onward, I really don't know what I would do in such a situation as that. I suppose if I were a coward and had daughters I'd do the same. If I was righteous at that moment I would sacrifice myself for their safety. Irregardless to this fact, it is the mob's fault for creating this situation, and for that, hellfire they received, and hellfire they deserved.

whale comes from dragon,
tanniyn
1) dragon, serpent, sea monster

a) dragon or dinosaur

b) sea or river monster

c) serpent, venomous snake

sea monster, the translators assumed meant "whale" but it doesn't.

i have the answer, i do believe. it's found a couple verses later:

Jonah 2:2 And said , I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, [and] thou heardest my voice

the dude was in the abyss. now normally, we think the abyss is the sea, but it's not. the abyss is the bottomless pit, the abyssos, the abzu. and has been likened to hell and the lake of fire because of its glowing appearance. in effect, jonah was thrown into a wormhole, a great one. and since he was on the ocean at the time, i'm guessing he was thrown into one of the HUGE gates of the gods, situated on the ocean floors. this also covers "leviathan" and the norse Jörmungandr and the akkadian-babylonian Tiamat.

Originally posted by intrepid

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by mblahnikluver

 

Read the bible maybe you will know.

I've read the bible many times over and I still don't know.

Definitely one of the more honest posts in this thread.

Thumbs up for plain, old fashioned honesty mate.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
So your saying you was not actually a Christian...

I went through the motions of being "born again," having been convinced (pressured) to do so.

Well no one is born again out of force, to be truly born again as i understand must be fully your decision and yours alone. Every person must have two births if they want to enter the kingdom of heaven. One from earth the other from heaven; one is natural, the other is spiritual: without the first birth they cannot see nor enjoy this world; without being born from above they cannot see nor enjoy the kingdom of God.

Wipes the crumbs from his goatee...

Well we have heard pretty much all angles from both Believers and the Atheistic sides of the issue/debate. I'd like some Agnostics to chime in and give their perspective opinion.


Statistically speaking, they are a large enough group whose voice should be heard.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I think one of the biggest nightmare for some "Atheists" is when a person of faith doesn't hide behind ancient and archaic scripture anymore but rather embraces the sciences and new discoveries.

Conversely, those of Faith who cannot see beyond their myopically held beliefs to the point of ignoring the bulk of what a Creator has in store for us to still explore and discover is sad.

In my humble opinion.

Here are a couple of attempts I made to inject some thought and reason into a debate ripe with ignorance on both sides.

NAM's Question

The Science of God

I wish people would give these ideas some consideration, for the love of God and people, and for the sake of our continued evolution as spiritual beings housed in post-simian hominid form..

Regards,

NAM

Originally posted by Gorman91
Oh that.

Yeah, that. Presenting one's daughters for gang-rape make you righteous in the eyes of the God of Abraham. But those who rejected the offer are marked for death.

But we know that Sodom and Gomorrah had a history.

I think that's debatable.

"Sodom" is known to be a derivative of Hebrew for "having been scorched."

"Gomorrah" is from ‘amar in Hebrew, meaning "a ruined heap."

The past-tense nature of the names of the cities would add credence to the analysis of many that the account in Genesis is simply a parable or a fictional tale.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Define "Agnostic"

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


I don't think it was fictional because it was right around the time of the Minoan eruption, if memory serves me right.

Like I said, I wouldn't judge a man's character for one wrong deed, how ever selfish it was. Though judging from what the daughters did right after, I would give heavy thought on if they were even worth saving.

There's a little confusion for me -when it comes to the 'Gay-hate' idea in the bible...
Humans are not the only species that practice this sort of relationship...

Birds can have gay relationships that last for life, say researchers.
They found that if isolated from the opposite sex, same sex birds will pair off with each other.
The scientists studied young zebra finches, which are known for forming lifelong relationships.

A study showed zebra finches sang to and preened each other just like
heterosexual pairs.
A study showed zebra finches sang to and preened each other just like heterosexual pairs.
When raised in same-sex groups, more than half the birds paired up together.
When females were then brought into the male group, five out of eight pairs of males ignored them
and stuck with their male partner.
As in their relationships with the opposite sex, they were found to be as 'attached and faithful', perching
side by side, nesting together and greeting each other by nuzzling each other's beaks.

Lead author Dr Julie Elie, from the University of California, Berkeley, said: 'Relationships in animals
can be more complicated than just a male and a female who meet and reproduce.
'My observations of [them] led me to this surprising result: same-sex individuals would also interact... like
male-female pairs...

Originally posted by Gorman91
Well no. What I'm really saying is that anything alien would inherently be incompatible to humanity.

How exactly do you know this? Have you ever met an extra-terrestrial organism and had the chance to analyze its DNA?

Originally posted by Gorman91
Perhaps you don't understand how evolution works on the galactic scale. Let's say the 3rd chromosome, 50 codexes down, is the location for my foot. There is no guarantee that same location will be the location of a foot for an alien, let alone that he would even have chromosomes.

The number of chromosomes and sequence of DNA within each is just an arbitrary design format to control reproduction, so that you don't mix up incompatible species. The code for your foot does not have to be where it is, that's just where the designer decided to put it. Who says you can't move the code around, or splice it with other code, or even create new life forms from scratch by combining chunks of code or creating new code from scratch? Just because we don't understand how it works, doesn't mean it is impossible.

Originally posted by Gorman91
See you are failing to understand that something not of this world will not be in any form relate able to humanity, let alone a chimp, so as to form a hybrid species.

Perhaps you don't understand how genetic engineering works. In fact I guarantee you don't because nobody does. It is beyond human understanding. At least for now.

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To quote a very wise person who will remain anonymous....

That's the thing. The "Creationists" are confusing development with creation or inception, and the "Evolutionists" are following their lead, being led around by their noses!

reply to post by spikey


I agree with you,

but you know science is a learning process which seeks out answers…by looking at the sky you can follow the path of the stars and planets here in the solar system, and yes you can know from observation how the solar system operates, however science cannot explain for certain the beginning of it all….it has “tired” to do so, giving the same exact story as creation.
Theories are not facts, but a thought an idea…a belief in something yet to be proven factual or false.

I haven’t seen mars outside of what I’ve been told or shown, so I have to base a little faith in what I have been told and shown is factual, because I’ve never sent my own equipment up there or seen it with my own eyes to prove its really there.

reply to post by boncho


I think your right, it's sad to see so much potential wasted on imagenary beliefs. Sadly I was raised in catholic schools and believed it all, until I reached the age of reason (8 years old) and demanded to be taught evolution (it was forbidden but some teachers did break the rules for me)

I hope there are many others who have logical minds, ifnnot we are doomed. But if logic prevails then there is hope for the species and it's descendants

reply to post by SaturnFX


That's the point evolutionists are constantly changing there mind's, one minute its an ape, the next its a dolphin... whilst a creationist except's the fact of the accounts of Genesis and has no need to look for alternatives, why would there be a need too if we believe the bible as being God's inspired word?

reply to post by SLAYER69


Most intellectually honest atheist's can really be classed as agnostics. But there are some atheist's who believe they are all knowing in the universe and claim they for 100% that a deity does not exist - those are the one's who aren't very well educated..

The account of Jonah cannot be rejected on the basis that:

(1) No such sea creature exists that could swallow a man whole.
(2) The incident is outside the realm of human experience.

There is every good reason to accept the account of Jonah in a literal manner. The fish involved could have been specially prepared by God or it could have been one of the sea creatures known to be able to swallow a human. Whatever the explanation, the account given in Scripture is miraculous.