LARGEST radiation release to date!!! And Fukushima radiation 168 times of Hiroshima atomic bomb!

those are some strange bedfellows there.

i should of known bush was involved.

Originally posted by daynight42
If it's that many times worse, then why aren't more people dying at 168 times the rate of the bomb? I really don't understand. If it's 168 times worse, why isn't it obvious already?

I'm not doubting this. I'm only asking to understand.

There are several answers to these questions.

The first being that it's a lot of guesswork as the damage is so extensive and radiation levels are so high that no one has been able to get very far into the reactor buildings since the explosions. Robot's electronics degrade as well and soon become unusable. You can watch the image quality visible detiorate the deeper the robots go into the reactor buildings. HD video shows such a large number of gamma strikes to the CCD that it looks like they're in a snow globe.

The 10 Sv/hr dose rates are fatal within seconds. This level of emission is almost incomprehensible anywhere outside the reactor itself.

The danger to all of us, regardless of distance from Fukushima Daiichi, is the aerosolized bestiary of isotopes that have been and will continue to be released through steam into the atmosphere and through leakage into the Pacific Ocean. Don't buy the little tank charade, not for a length of Planck time.

Educated guesses can be made at the amount and roughly the types of isotopes we're likely to encounter through analyzing the amount in fuel in each reactor (don't forget 40 years worth of spent fuel, this so where the largest inventory of contaminants is), but due tithe random nature of radiative decay and the effects of neutron radiation, you never rally know exactly what you're gonna get.

It's much worse than Pandora's box, at least with that you could crawl in the box to save yourself.

Now on to Bioaccumulaion. As these aerosols come into contact with a variety of surfaces (soil, leaves, the ocean) they will begin to enter the food chain. They'll start out down at the bacterial or plankton level and work their way up. Into plants that are eaten by animals which either produce products (milk for example) or are eaten themselves, the radiation hitches a ride and goes along too.

Google "radioactive sludge" and you will see and example of what I have called industrialaccumulation. The particles are rained out, enter a municipal water treatment facility where they are concentrated down to solids which are then often incinerated(re-aerosolizing the particles to be taken back up into the environment).

And as for Tepco's circus tent, it's the equivalent of using a cheesecloth condom (can't remember who made that analogy in the thousand plus page thread, but I love it). With sub micron particle size, that polyester tarp won't stop squat. It's merely to block the view of what they don't want seen. Remember that mindset of the Japanese of if it can't be seen, then it's not a problem.

Originally posted by loam

But I have to wonder why, if you are so laissez faire about the actual crisis, you seem so willing to oppose those who actually have a perfectly reasonable interest in the situation?

A bit ironic, no?

edit on 29-8-2011 by loam because: (no reason given)

I am ultimately apathetic about it because when it first happened, I was near panic attacks
Then I watched it day and night
and eventually I realized there was nothing I could do...no congressman to call, no service to sign up to in order to help, etc..just me jacking up the ratings of the mainstream media with absolutely no effect other than being a viewer.
So, I stopped..now I check in once a week once every other week to see how things are going, and thats about it. Frankly, not even sure why I check in that much considering there is still both jack and stuff I can do about it.

just voicing a different view here for people whom are super stressed about it yet can do nothing..like being in a airplane going down...you can either scream and watch out the window completely without effect, or you can look away and simply hope the captain will correct the action...me screaming in my seat will do nothing much beyond make me stressed more than need be.

What the hell ? We're all gonna die. Oh ****

Conspiracy Theory Of The Day: The NWO knew that aliens were coming to deplete Earth of all of its water, so they had to poison the oceans (AKA Fukishima "disaster") to make our water unsafe, and unusable for the aliens. Now that they have that accomplished, no more threat from aliens...THANKS NWO you guys RULE! Our Heros, now lets all enjoy life and go for a mutation swim in the ocean!! Yay I have gills that filter plutonium particles now!!

no matter how humans eff up the planet life always finds a way. Nature is mans conquest it always stood out to me that it has always been man versus nature in philosophy 101 it almost seems that we hurt ourselves sounding like like 4 year olds screaming in the grocery store we want the attention of something to answer the call of a lost civilization we have over communication between ppl in my opinion but lack of connectivness between us and where we live or what we eat or...

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all men die all things that live will die

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I understand.

That was personal enough of a response.

For myself, I choose a different path.

Good luck to both of us.

This sucks. I guess it's the price we pay for not being to handle our own tech.

And the clean up is an absolute joke, either Tepco does not care or they are completely incompetent. Or...
I have a theory to present

What if they are not spending the money to do this thing right because there is...gotta say it, global cataclysm right around the corner. And if they know about it in advance, it must be a 'cosmic' threat. I'm well beyond the point of deciding whether there are many cover ups happening at once..sure are. It is so obvious now, they don't even try anymore. And with the U.S. spending us into oblivion? That must be exactly what we are facing, oblivion.

It is still killing ppl and wildlife. I believe the whole event that took place, to cause this breach of disaster, was planned and that makes even more scarey....If you look up all the locations of the worlds nuculear power plants, you will find they sit on known faultlines...

Text NavyText No we r not all gonna die. you must think positive and hold unto hope even stronger now then ever, because where there is no hope their is no future...Love is the key to everything, hope, faith....keep ur chin up, and dont entertain fear and hopelessness....thats not positive thoughts. take care....

Originally posted by Heartisblack

What the hell ? We're all gonna die. Oh ****

Yes, but let us Die upright, proud and in a combat!

We will never Surrender
and we will try to make this World at least a little bit cozy,
let's reclaim "Our World"!

No Pasaran

Amazinng to read through all the replies to this thread. So many opinions and so much information from so many sources. I stopped looking at this months ago - so much seems to have been giong on, with so little coverage in any media. So what to beleive? 3 full meltdowns, fact. 20 years of spent fuel went with 'em, fact. A 4th MOX reactor, the worst you can get, is still in a questionable state, Speculation?

Don't forget, those who feel Japan may have to be evacuated - Japan is an archipeligo af thoushands of islands. It is ony the one island which is in the 50km zone I think.

Still. Seems little can be done by the likes of me. Hope for the best, expect the worst.

Though I feel for all the people who will be affected by this, part of me is glad as nature can take back what we have taken from it. It is bleek to say this but I feel like humans deserve to be wiped out, we take everythig for granted then we go take some more. :/

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well said my friend i have come across to many who are stuck in despair and the more there curiosity is indulged the more they are fear stricken and in able to do the easiest of fact extrapolation

Given the well established state of fear the media uses to manipulate ratings, the lack of coverage is shocking.

This is why I'm convinced the problem is much worse than we are being led to believe.

They hype the hell out of the littlest things, "Tonight at 10, a story no parent can afford to miss", yet they don't say much about a major nuclear accident?

There has to be a reason, our media never wastes a crisis. And whatever that reason is it must be big.

Keep in mind also that this one accident is actually 6 accidents right next to each other.

So, they measure extreme radiation levels between the buildings that (Tepco says) they recently discovered. And, like the man said,"We can't trust Tepco any further than we can throw them." But this tidbit makes sense as the sinking cores are still molten, still emitting, and are beginning to contaminate the areas outside the foot print of the buildings where they have not before. At least not at these high levels up until now. So Tepco plays like they just found it and it is off scale on their meters, both of which are true. As the cores continue to sink the footprint of higher radiation will continue to grow. It probably has already. Believe me they know just how high it really is and from where it is emitting. Not that they will tell us._javascript:icon('')
After TMI, engineers who were there stated that if they had not gotten the situation under control, the worst case scenario would have been to uncover a significant portion of the core fuel rods. This "Melting Down" of the fuel beyond the bottom of containment would have continued, the heat of the "corium" eating away at bedrock and the gasses and fission byproducts rising to the surface thru any avenue available. This is what is happening now at three and maybe four of these monster reactors and fuel pools. Underground plumbing pipes, fractured rock (from the continuos ground shaking) and even ground water channels can lead off in any direction and distance. Fissures on the surface can open and spew steam in parking lots or basements of nearby buildings (your kitchen sink?) for miles around. This disaster is far from over and the radioactive contamination is only now beginning to spread around the globe._javascript:icon('')

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You are indeed correct sir or madame.

These molten bits of nuclear lava are also breathing as it were, that is they are undergoing continuing cycles of heating and cooling causing a pausing and quickening of the action of melting the bedrock (I don't know how they could still be in the basemat, but I suppose it is possible.

Looking at Tepco's Survey map of Fukushima Daiichi 08/18/2011 we see quite a few areas which have deadly levels of measurements.

In the meantime, Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency now says there are 14 newly identified active faults near the nuclear facilities in Fukushima and Ibaraki Prefectures: 5 of them around TEPCO's Fukushima I and II Nuclear Power Plants, and 9 around the Tokai II Nuclear Power Plant operated by Japan Atomic Power Company and Tokai Fuel Reprocessing Facility operated by Japan Atomic Energy Agency. (From Kyodo News Japanese, 8/30/2011)

Don't worry, says NISA, they are all minor faults incapable of producing major earthquakes.

Ex-SKF blog has a translation from a Japanese news report. The original is linked, but I do not know if there is an English version. You could always ask Google to translate it to Engrish for you I suppose.

The USGS list of quakes near Fukushima shows a good bit of moderate shaking, but it does not show the the continual lower level rumbling that the entire region if still undergoing that the USGS does not report.

The Meterological Agency lists earthquakes and will show lower magnitude quakes than the USGS does.

Apathy?

You're welcome to it.

I'm fricking pissed that this has been done to our planet and if words are all I have, then hurl them I will.

(the final two statement in this post were not directed to the replied to poster specifically, but are rather directed to the lack if interest in this situation)

reply to post by daynight42

168 times is a total number so far... In other words the bombs over Japan released their radiation all at once. The reactors are on a slow burn releasing radioactive contaminants even as we speak. So the total release might be the same (if you believe Tepco) but the bombs also had heat and blast effects right over a large city. That is what caused the most deaths. Fallout claimed many more later. How much radioactive contamination is yet to be released and how this will spread around the globe and work its way into the environment and the food chain, and us, is yet to be determined. The end result expectations are an increased incidence of deaths due to cancers and leukemia by x number of peoples across the globe.