Busted!! fake news on libya- movie sets, fake videos and pics, death threats to journalists

reply to post by christina-66


I'm not going to doubt you at all. But I DO think tptb DO add in things and DO script things for their own agendas.

reply to post by USAisdevil


I have provide more than enough evidence to support my posts. So you still claim that in the picture is sky and not a building that is lit up? Can you prove that?

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman
reply to post by christina-66

 

I'm not going to doubt you at all. But I DO think tptb DO add in things and DO script things for their own agendas.

You're preaching to the converted on that one : )

'The truth is the first casualty of war' isn't that the norm? Sadly the Libyan people have been living with an overtly oppressive regime in reality - it was bound to come crashing down eventually -especially with today's global communication. For decades the Libyans have been directly experiencing the type of government most on this site fear and would do their utmost to prevent for themselves and for their children.

The manipulations of reality being referred to repeatedly in this thread were certainly in play during the build up to the Afghan and Iraq invasions. These were justified in the name of bringing, what they euphemistically termed, 'democracy' to these people - and it was a lie. There were umpteen ulterior motives for those conflicts.

But in the case of Libya - this was no campaign to 'bomb the people to the ballot box.'. The Libyan people sought this for themselves - a genuine surge for democracy. They attempted to effect change by the same means available to you and I - being denied the right to vote - they peacefully demonstrated. Gaddafi opened fire - what do you think was going to happen?

reply to post by malcr


Indeed! Such a conspiracy would be impossible to pull off, without almost everyone knowing about it which would surely then go against the very definition of a conspiracy?

But such sensible, critial thinking such as that seems to have been thrown out of the window round these parts.

ATS used to be a site where things were critically examined and taken apart. These days, there is far to much perpetuation of total rubbish, with people slapping each other on their backs about how "in the know" they are and how clever they for seeing through "NWO/MSM/CIA/MI6/Reptillian conspiracy's"..

People claim ATS is a conspiracy site, ergo we should all believe in conspiracies no matter how crazy.

ATS is not a conspiracy site, it is a site for alternative discussion. A big difference.

I remember the days when posting blogs and websites done by lone nutters was frowned upon and if you couldn't back up your claims with hard facts, rather than poorly thought out supposition, you would be laughed out of town...

reply to post by PsykoOps


you have neither provided evidence and nor met the requisite standards of evidence which you were asked to provide, you have not explained the fallacies of the part below the entrance . again you refuse to provide concrete and neutral analysis and evidence, which is being awaited....

Originally posted by USAisdevil

clearly look at the pic again . background behind tower is evening in the entrance . also above entrance background is pitch black of night . first red flag

second red flag , background in the entrance seems like a poster



cripmeister and saturnfx please subject your 'evidence' to greater scrutiny as msm is lying consistently and thats proven . your 'evidence' is unraveling at the seams and it indicates kneejerk and crappy research . I suggest improve your standards

edit on 26-8-2011 by USAisdevil because: (no reason given)

News from UAE reports covert NATO ops in Libya.

Last Updated: Fri Aug 26, 2011 20:53 pm (KSA) 17:53 pm (GMT)
Qaddafi, aids surrounded and monitored in Tripoli: Libya rebel minister

Friday, 26 August 2011

english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/08/26/164220.html

(...)

Meanwhile, British Defense Secretary Liam Fox slightly lifted the veil of secretive operations when he said Thursday that NATO was providing “intelligence and reconnaissance assets” to help rebels hunt down the elusive Libyan leader.

The British defense ministry then announced Friday that it had bombed a “large headquarters bunker” in Qaddafi’s home town of Sirte, an operation that came as rebels geared up to launch an offensive there after their Tripoli triumph.

NATO has consistently rejected claims that it is coordinating operations with the rebels, commanding special forces on the ground, or trying to kill Qaddafi since the bombing campaign began in March.

“No specific individual is a target as an individual, whether it’s Qaddafi or anybody else,” NATO spokeswoman Oana Lungescu said Thursday after Fox’s remarks.

Lungescu insisted that NATO was sticking to its United Nations mandate, limited to protecting civilians from any attacks. “There is no military coordination with the rebels,” she said.

The NATO denials are “absolute rubbish,” said Shashank Joshi, a Libyan war expert at the Royal United Services Institute in London.

“It’s a necessary fiction to stay within the bounds of (UN) Resolution 1973 and to avoid legal and political difficulties,” Joshi told AFP.

Russia and China withheld their vetos at the UN Security Council to allow the resolution’s adoption in March, but they have since accused NATO of going beyond the scope of its mandate.

“There’s overwhelming evidence that NATO was not only helping the rebels but that it was a decisive and critical partner to the rebels,” Joshi said.

“It was really engaged in a close and intimate level of coordination and support, without which the rebels could not have won this conflict, so I don’t believe a single word NATO is saying,” he added.

An AFP correspondent found on Thursday French and British operatives based at rebel eastern front command facility in Zuwaytina, about 150 kilometers (95 miles) southwest of the opposition capital Benghazi.

France and Britain have spearheaded the NATO air war, launching the first salvos along with the United States on March 19. The three nations later sent military advisers to Benghazi.

British newspapers revealed this week the role played by Britain’s Special Air Service (SAS) forces.

The Daily Telegraph, quoting defense sources, said SAS members were sent to Libya several weeks ago and played a key role in coordinating the battle for Tripoli, and are now focusing on tracking down Qaddafi.

The Times newspaper reported that the SAS had been working with Qatari special forces. While the Qataris were operating along the front lines with rebel fighters, the SAS had performed a more discreet role further back coordinating with NATO pilots, the paper said, quoting Ministry of Defense sources.

A Western official stressed that there was a distinction between forces led by national governments and the air campaign directed by NATO’s command structure.

“I think that’s the unfortunate sort of nuance that was missing,” the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said regarding Fox’s statement that NATO was helping in the search for Qaddafi.

“The fact that some NATO nations have some individuals on the ground, it should be made clear they are not under NATO command,” the official said. “Unfortunately people have a habit of calling everything down there NATO.”

Incredible how some of the sheeple are requesting this to be moved to the hoax section, without presenting any evidence why they feel that is the case.

The al jazeera image has been verified to be from a video al jazeera has released, and it has some clear telltale signs that it has been shot at a studio. Most notably the decorations are missing from above the arches, and there is no backdrop. Perspective, compression artefacts.. come on! It is clear as day that the decorations are missing, and the "staged" shoot looks much more lifeless, like a setup stage.

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Originally posted by jjjtir

A Western official stressed that there was a distinction between forces led by national governments and the air campaign directed by NATO’s command structure.

“I think that’s the unfortunate sort of nuance that was missing,” the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said regarding Fox’s statement that NATO was helping in the search for Qaddafi.

“The fact that some NATO nations have some individuals on the ground, it should be made clear they are not under NATO command,” the official said. “Unfortunately people have a habit of calling everything down there NATO.”

This is more play on words. Just as this isn't a war but 'kinetic' something or other, the last paragraph is the same blatant technique being used to confuse and masquerade. An excellent example of Hegelian dialect being used to create cognitive dissonance.

reply to post by JesusLives


yes its satans fault, nothing to do with our corrupt governments then.

reply to post by OneNationUnder

I have a feeling someone, somewhere will talk soon on some of the movie sets they've used, from Milosevich to Saddam to Qaddaffi to Bin Laden being an actor and even on the changing of the molecular makeup of building 7 by Haarp. Actually, you can COUNT on it shortly.

I don't know about the rest of the stuff, but, sorry bro....your wrong about the Saddam thing it was real as real gets, I was there. 4th ID

reply to post by USAisdevil


How many times do I have to repeat myself? You make the claim. You put up the proof. It's all on you now. So you provide evidence and related spectral class analysis. Combine it from unbiased sources (not western, qatari, russian MSM). Preferably alternative media.
Sources preferable would be indian, pakistani, icelandic or any neutral nation's analysis. Start again and subject your explanations to greater scrutiny and scientific tools.
Funny how you can make claims with this "evidence" but noone else can.

reply to post by PsykoOps


the fallacy is in the photo . you claimed it is artificial lighting , but the background in the entrance is like sunset not artifical lighting behind the tower/minar .

so you the onus of evidence is on you to prove its artificial lighting . prove it or stop trolling .

reply to post by PsykoOps


It is the exact same tactics employed by Agent_USA_Supporter...

One wonders if they are the same person...

reply to post by stumason


please check the ip address , it is not same .

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Lot of russian times as source.

And that is supposed to mean what? It's russian, so it's a commie thing?

Call me foolish, but I would think trying to fake an entire raid of a country would be exposed quite easily within a fairly quick amount of time...anyone crossing the border with a camera would be able to debunk whatever bunk there is fairly quickly...

Really?

Look at yourself in a mirror, you are a living example of a religious fanatic. Your religion isn't muslim or christian, it's "I'm an American, so I'm God"-religion. Where is your "critical" thinking? Where is your "scientific" mind, that says you have to doubt things? You don't have any ... whatever is said on news, you believe it. Because you automatically believe everything you do is right ... and if I told you, that the Nazis are your own mirror image, it won't help. You don't have the ability to criticize yourself. If anyone came out and said your government was lying, you'd disbelieve that, in the face of any evidence provided ...

War is like a football game ... how many people go to watch the underdog play, who always loses a match. Everyone goes to watch the big league. They wanna see goals, and their favorite player. If someone says their favorite player is taking drugs, and is cheating ... they get angry, and have a barfight. The real life, is even worse than that ... and people are even less open to facts. They love to win ... nobody sticks to the loser, not even for a good cause. The good cause, is King George holding a balet for children in Africa. The very same children, he made homeless by pushing them off his oilfield. The very same children, his soldiers bombed momma and pappa to pieces. And people go and put in momey, for this enormous good deed of giving the victims a buck or two, so they can eat ... and the rich and mighty, are people who go onto an artist exhibition, to watch a dog starve to death ... they think looking at a dog, starving to death ... is an art. And the artist, who finds a stray dog outside takes it in his art gallery, ties it up and lets it starve to death in front of people. He things he's a genius ... and nobody fed the dog, nor freed it ... this is a real life fact.

reply to post by smurfy


Clearly they are all lying to their own beneficial agenda''s ! And in between killing and ,raping hundreds of innocent people..This all smells like rotten oil!

Originally posted by TXRabbit

yes

I found that picture on the internet so it must be true

Really?

The picture isn't up for debate is it? you think it's debunked, because some "idiot" says it's cropped and painted in MS paint?

This image first came up on Pravda forums, many years ago, along with it's debate. It was never intended to prove that media was faking news. But to provide an image of media coverage psy-op operations. The media provide the coverage from "inside" the circle, so you didn't see what was occurring. You only saw a little crowd of people and statue being pulled. The psy-op here, was that it was intended for the human mind to see a shadow of images from the fall of the soviet union.

The case isn't open up for debate, and if you think you are debunking it here and now. You and your pal there, are just being morons, pardon my french.

Its worse than we thought ...check this out
IF Pepe Escobar is correct in identifying the "rebel" leader as an Al Qaeda dude, then we are not just creating another (ad hoc?) Bin Laden, but a whole country led by an AlQ
www.informationclearinghouse.info...

Listen to Tarpley about what is going on .. "Those green square buildings are very old, some of them go back to the Roman Empire - but they created that in Doha and if you look there is a very interesting comparison on the Internet where they show you what the Green Square really looks like and what this 'fake set' looks like and it's quite similar, but there were enough giveaways to see that this was also faked."


tarpley.net...
'NATO playing dirty tricks in Libya war' www.presstv.ir...