Crop Circles. What are they? What do they mean?!

reply to post by Sek82


In other words - they cannot have been created by people with ropes and boards..

reply to post by NewAgeMan


in other words.. his source is a facebook page.. can you provide a credible reference to these stalks being bent by high temperatures?

reply to post by mzungu
Oh, right. That source was the result of 10 seconds on Google that happened to lead to a Facebook page with a summary on how some crop circles can be difficult to explain away as man made (planks and rope). My bad.

But since I'm not the only one with access to the internet, I'm not going to entertain you by digging for a more credible source. Oh wait, stand by... Here's a totally credible source just for you.

reply to post by Sek82


yeah i can do that too.. source where's the actual proof though?

you can say that crop circles are created by aliens who traveled many millions of kilometers to bend our fields with mysterious messages, (which cannot be proven/disproven) or you can say they were created by man (easily proven)..

circular logic never gets anyone anywhere.

unless you have actual proof which has been verified by actual authorities of scientific method you have no case to put forward..

i could conclude that my chinchilla creates crop circles in her sleep because a few of them appeared while she was sleeping.. doesn't make it so no matter how many gullible people i manage to persuade..




edit : wait.. i found some video footage that links aliens to crop circles on youtube, i take my entire argument back!

reply to post by Sek82


when people make these crop circles at night there is a lot of condensation on the stems which makes them wet easier to 'bend'. All plants absorbe moisture at night Then when the sun comes up the condenation evaporates and the stems dry out then people cant work out how the stems can be bent without breaking. Its a very simple explanation.

But im sure that there are plenty of people selling books and videos on crop circles that wont tell you this. Its all about cash.

Ask at CropCircleMakers.com . meet the groups that make them Here

reply to post by NewAgeMan
Crop circles are great, they get better and better. But I have to wonder: Would an advanced civilisation travel stupidly massive distances, just to make pretty pictures in a field (mostly in the same country-tiny little England), and use obscure, Mayan references, or mathematics that (albeit complicated), we already know about? I don't know how the recent ones are done. I just want to enjoy the beauty that they contain. What's the point of a clever little alien showing us a stargate, if they don't tell us how it works? I'm sure some smart-a*se will say "because we have to figure it out". I don't believe that. Show us the components, or the energy source, and then we'll work it out. I don't buy it, sorry, believers!

reply to post by PhoenixOD
Well that's a good point there about the moisture at night and how it might make crops more easily moldable, but don't think it explains the exploded node effect some crop circles show. Personally I find it suspicious that over only a few decades they have gone from simple circles to very complex amazing pieces of what most of us would call art. This fact could help the debunkers theory that they are man made.

But as I quoted earlier, there's more to them than the increasingly complex geometry of crop circles. One potential credible source of research might be BLT research's work. As far as proof goes in explaining their unknown nature, well for one I've never seen one in person nor have I taken readings or samples. However this is not really on topic with NAM's original post/question which is: What are their meanings? Some obvious ones would be advertisement, or attention seeking hoaxers. On the other hand, I know there was a thread here on ATS about one crop circle and it's potential connection to comet Elenin/planetary alignments which got a ton of flags and attention. One thing is for sure though, many of them are amazing to look at....

Cheers, for now.

There was an old tv series called "In Search of", and in it's beginning dialog/fanfare, it clearly showed a video of crop circles being created in a field, by these strange metallic balls. It is amazing footage, and would be extremely difficult to fake, especially with the technology back then. They are indeed real, but the bottom line, what do they mean, and we can only speculate.

I have my own theory, and it explains why they fluctuate in their design, system, and structure. If there is an intergalactic collective of beings that exist, that have formed a union of sorts, they would all have a signature, just as we also have our own, within our own country. Our crop circles we would produce would be in the design and pattern of each of our flags. I can further speculate that each is placed pointing directly to the path that leads towards the home planet, or planet of it's origin. One must calculate the time they were created, and make a line pointing outwards, to find their planet, so in a sense, these can be star charts for us to use when we are ready to explore space in a more advanced manner.

Some of these are also interesting since they seem to reveal different types of technology and chemistry., Which they should be followed up, upon to see if they are indeed, sharing with us the building blocks to more advances within them for us to use.

Man made crop circles are easy to discern, the real ones lay the fields over using heat and steam, as well as leave behind trace radiation, this keeps the pattern in tact longer, and is likely the optimum manner for creating these impressions, the man made ones are merely flattened down and plenty of damage to the vegetation results in the process.

I do know that these seem to be only a recent thing that has happened, otherwise we would have pictures, drawings, and reports of crop circles in abundance throughout history, afterall, we do indeed have flying saucer reports through it, why not circles as well?

The notion that the entire phenomenon can be explained as people with ropes and boards in the night simply because an alternative explanation strains credibilty, in and of itself strains credibility, and why must it be assumed that ET's cannot have generated some of them remotely using a technology that we do not understand?

I'm having some difficulty here with the sceptics' position which doesn't pass muster.

reply to post by NewAgeMan

The notion that the entire phenomenon can be explained as people with ropes and boards in the night simply because an alternative explanation strains credibilty, in and of itself strains credibility,

that doesn't really make sense there my man.. if something has no creditability, then believing in an alternative explanation that does have creditability strains creditability? huh?

and why must it be assumed that ET's cannot have generated some of them remotely using a technology that we do not understand?

because that is how you scientifically deduce whether or not it is fact. you can't say a theory is fact without evidence, and there is none to support a claim of ET's.

i'm still waiting for someone to point me to a reliable source that can back up these claims.. i have had no luck finding anything convincing.. i'm more than happy to entertain the idea, i just need something more to go on than hearsay and a few people jumping to conclusions..

reply to post by mzungu


Given the phenomenon, taken in it's entirety, both hypothesese are "incredible". If there exists but one case, however, where it can be proven that people with ropes and boards cannot possibly have created the crop formation in question, then that hypotheses would have to be discarded as explanatory in all cases.

In fact, if there was even one feature of any crop circle, like the weaving of the stalks, or any other phenomenon proving the people-with-boards hypothesis to be impossible, then another hypothesis would need to be considered, however "incredible" it might seem.

Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by mzungu

 

Given the phenomenon, taken in it's entirety, both hypothesese are "incredible". If there exists but one case, however, where it can be proven that people with ropes and boards cannot possibly have created the crop formation in question, then that hypotheses would have to be discarded as explanatory in all cases.

your logic is flawed. even if this hypothetical case were discovered, it would not change the fact that we KNOW people have made all the others with ropes and boards.. it would be an exception to the norm, not justification for the negation of a well known and documented technique in all other cases, and definately not evidence of extraterrestials.

In fact, if there was even one feature of any crop circle, like the weaving of the stalks, or any other phenomenon proving the people-with-boards hypothesis to be impossible, then another hypothesis would need to be considered, however "incredible" it might seem.

just because a theory is incredible doesn't make it more likely. infact the opposite is true.. humans have thumbs and can weave stalks, just because they may not use boards on some occasion doesn't mean it wasn't us..
i suggest the new hypothesis be grounded on established facts, rather than imaginary technology from space..

reply to post by mzungu
Like I said man, I'm not going to do your research for you. You have access to the web, if you care to know more about them, do your own research. And lastly, I couldn't care less whether or not you plan to sit here and wait for proof. Have a seat, and grab a snickers because you're going to be here for awhile. I am just not that interested in finding tangible proof of anything regarding them, hope you understand.

To 'NAM', I agree that they can be incredible and are awesome to look at, and finding their meanings can be a challenge in and of itself with how complex some of them seem to be... Keep in mind, some photos of crop circles can be photoshop/cgi jobs as well in regards to aerial shots, the proof is down in the stalk.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by mzungu

 

Like I said man, I'm not going to do your research for you. You have access to the web, if you care to know more about them, do your own research. And lastly, I couldn't care less whether or not you plan to sit here and wait for proof. Have a seat, and grab a snickers because you're going to be here for awhile. I am just not that interested in finding tangible proof of anything regarding them, hope you understand.

i have been researching, and all i've found is bunk.. you know there is no proof, otherwise you would provide it.

you're not interested in finding tangible proof for your belief? well i guess that sums up the whole thing pretty nicely then..

was fun debating with ya

reply to post by mzungu


There was no flaw in my logic, sorry.

Let the research begin. Surely there must be more than a few people here at ATS who have an interest in this fascinating subject and have already done exhaustive research. Can you make a contribution here, please? Thank you.