Mexico town's police force quits after attack

Mexico town's police force quits after attack

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An entire 20-man police force resigned in a northern Mexican town after a series of attacks that killed the police chief and five officers over the last three months, state officials said Thursday.

The officers’ resignation Thursday left the 13,000 people of Ascension without local police services, Chihuahua state chief prosecutor Carlos Manuel Salas said. State and federal police have moved in to take over police work, he said.

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Every cop in town quits after Mexico attack

Well if you can't beat them... just quit. ?

Last year this happened in another Mexican town- see related ATS thread- except in that one no one was actually killed. This time 3 officers were shot and killed.

As well armed as the local police are, they still don't seem to be a match for some of these gangs sporting machine guns, grenades, and who knows what else.

But there is a larger, deeper meaning to the announcement that an entire police force has quit. The usurping of authority. The bad guys winning. Trained professionals beaten by lowly thugs with guns. What a great message this sends. NOT.



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reply to post by TrueAmerican


See, the problem with calling them lowly thugs is that your mentality is the same that all Mexican police forces have: you're not just fighting lowly thugs. If you were, the war would've been won already. So, why are they loosing?
Apparently they're not fighting just unorganized thugs.

-Time for a paradigm change. These guys need to be taken seriously.

Well!

I guess we'll call them slayers of glory then, if not lowly thugs... In fact, at the pearly gates they will be honored by how many cops they've killed!

Simple fact of the matter is, no matter how well trained and how well armed the police forces are, they have to abide by a set of rules. Codes of conduct if you will.

The "lowly thugs" are comprised of police officers, military, ex-military, street thugs that do not have to abide by any rules other than those set forth by their cartel leaders and capos. Those rules are relatively simple: Get me my money.

With that said, a drug war will be a war lost, long before the first shot is ever fired.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican

An entire 20-man police force resigned in a northern Mexican town after a series of attacks that killed the police chief and five officers over the last three months

Not to seem sarcastic but I had considered moving to Mexico and buy a house and buy some Mexican Bonds. The Mexicans are now fleeing back to Mexico to get jobs. That tells us something! Darn, I cant believe all the cops quit there. Maybe just buy a house and buy some bonds from China,, Dim Sum bonds. They will never secure the border it’s easier to open it up to Canada.

I think most were getting kick-backs anyways. Maybe the money stopped or someone was on to them.

reply to post by RicketyCricket


Seriously, what bothers me the most about it is the message it sends- that it's ok for an entire town's police department to just give up and quit?

And what message does it send to the gangs? Go attack all the police establishments, cause if one will quit, others will too if attacked enough?

Man! The police can't just quit!

Surely it is time for the USA forces to intervene in Northern Mexico?
The USA surely needs a buffer zone?
The migrant mexicans in the USA can then return to their mother country with US forces protecting them from the drug thugs?
Or are the kickbacks just too nice for the paid off in the USA?
It stinks , that mexico is living under these murderous thugs?

Originally posted by RicketyCricket
Simple fact of the matter is, no matter how well trained and how well armed the police forces are, they have to abide by a set of rules. Codes of conduct if you will.

The "lowly thugs" are comprised of police officers, military, ex-military, street thugs that do not have to abide by any rules other than those set forth by their cartel leaders and capos. Those rules are relatively simple: Get me my money.

With that said, a drug war will be a war lost, long before the first shot is ever fired.

This is quite true. The other side of it is that the Mexican government is bought and paid for by the cartels with either money or threats. And part of that other side is that the Mexican government is in desperate need to keep that immense amount of cash flowing into Mexico to keep the economy going. Without it the government if not the country itself would fall apart. We know that and that is why the cartels are not stamped out with definite strikes here or there. The war on drugs is a sham, pure PR. The cartels spending their billions of dollars all over Mexico is the only thing to keep millions of Mexicans from swamping our borders or simply dying in their simple homes once their, poor as it is, infrastructure fails completely.

Originally posted by Dr Expired
Surely it is time for the USA forces to intervene in Northern Mexico?
The USA surely needs a buffer zone?
The migrant mexicans in the USA can then return to their mother country with US forces protecting them from the drug thugs?
Or are the kickbacks just too nice for the paid off in the USA?
It stinks , that mexico is living under these murderous thugs?

How are we going to intervene on our own border when the US military is more concerned with poppy fields in Afghanistan and oil in Iraq and the Caspian Sea? No chance of that, surely. Besides, Mexico would complain as usual and claim we are suppressing their profits.

To those who judge harshly...walk in a Mexican Policeman's shoes for a minute:

What would you do?

Option A: You are bribed to look the other way and give safe passage to the cartels. Everyone else is doing it. You can make more money than you could at probably any other comparable career. Unemployment is high. The government is corrupt. The people assume you are corrupt if you wear a badge anyway. You can't trust your superiors.

Option B: You fight the good fight. You make an honorable stand. Your children are kidnapped and slaughtered. Your wife is brutally raped and murdered. You are hailed kidnapped and slowly tortured to death and hung from a bridge to send a message to other cops. Congratulations, you died for nothing. You are 1 of 40,000 others to die meaningless deaths in the drug war in Mexico

Option C: # this. I quit.

Option C seems the most honorable to me.

Sad thing is your cynicism is probably closer to the border of truth than to the border of ignorance by a few thousand miles.
But the Latins need the help of an organised military, we only need a government willing to help the mexican nation.

Originally posted by redstripe1229
Option C seems the most honorable to me.

Yeah, maybe, but guess who the quitting cops will probably end up working for anyways after they starve for a while?

:shk:

No win situation.

Originally posted by TrueAmerican
reply to post by RicketyCricket

 

Seriously, what bothers me the most about it is the message it sends- that it's ok for an entire town's police department to just give up and quit?

And what message does it send to the gangs? Go attack all the police establishments, cause if one will quit, others will too if attacked enough?

Man! The police can't just quit!

They should have some trusted Military around to help out, where are they?

Originally posted by redstripe1229
To those who judge harshly...walk in a Mexican Policeman's shoes for a minute:

What would you do?

Option A: You are bribed to look the other way and give safe passage to the cartels. Everyone else is doing it. You can make more money than you could at probably any other comparable career. Unemployment is high. The government is corrupt. The people assume you are corrupt if you wear a badge anyway. You can't trust your superiors.

Option B: You fight the good fight. You make an honorable stand. Your children are kidnapped and slaughtered. Your wife is brutally raped and murdered. You are hailed kidnapped and slowly tortured to death and hung from a bridge to send a message to other cops. Congratulations, you died for nothing. You are 1 of 40,000 others to die meaningless deaths in the drug war in Mexico

Option C: # this. I quit.

Option C seems the most honorable to me.

You nailed it. It's what any man with a family would do. I'm hoping these former police officers at least stick around as informants and vigilantes now that they are no longer walking targets.

These "lowly thugs" as the OP put it are more akin to a private military than the street gangs we normally see north of the border. It takes plenty of cajones to sign up for the badge in the first place.

as sad as it is i can understand why they would quit.

if they are paid like most police in north america, it's really understandable. these "thugs" not only don't have any rules they are stuck behind, but they are typically far better armed, including vehicles like TANKS (ok heavily armored and armed trucks, but heck much better then the cops have). this has gotten WAY out of hand. is it any wonder they quit. is a fairly low salary and crappy (in comparison) equipment, putting your life at great risk, i'm sure you'd want to quit as well.

and it's ALL the FAULT of the WAR on DRUGS. all this so called war has ever done is to push profits higher for those selling the drugs. this enables the drug sellers to afford expensive army type weapons and even thugs to man them. the profits from distributing drugs in comparison to growing and manufacture are HUGE. it's no wonder that the "cartels" have so much heavy equipment now, they have more money then god, forget about governments. so what they can't "buy" they will try to take by force.

we apparently learned NOTHING from the failed experiment of Prohibition. we really should have. but i guess some people tend to be blind to "cause and effect". what the "war on alcohol" should have taught us is that by illegalizing a substance. it does nothing to change the fact that people want it. all it does is to drive up prices, and profits up for those willing to risk selling it. that's a large chunk of how gang activity became so enticing. an illegal substance is worth much more than a legal substance.

take a look at organized crime. gambling is illegal in most areas, so of course since people want to gamble crime takes over giving them a place to do it at a healthy profit. drugs are illegal, but yet again people still want it (in many cases NEED IT, because they are "hooked"), so yet again it gives crime a small fortune providing it. if you want to get rid of things like drug use you have to make people STOP WANTING IT. things like good well paying jobs would be a tremendous help. a good portion of druggies use it as an escape. they want to forget about things like the fact they are broke, can't get a job, are in physical or mental pain.

another issue is that it is illegal. so some people do it just for the rush at the risk they are taking. ever notice that especially with children, the more you say NO, the more they want something? just as tom sawyer conned others into painting the fence for him by just telling them no, so it is with things like drugs. we even see the same thing in a lot of shoplifting there is a "thrill" to it. when i worked at a big store i was shocked at how many people stole relatively cheap crap, while having a couple hundred bucks in their wallet. they were staling for kicks. want your kid to start cooking? just go on and on about how they can't do it, they will end up begging to let them try. seems to be built into the human condition somehow.

want to WIN the drug war at the same time doing a lot of damage to the criminal element? just open up government run "drug stores" and charge low prices for it. it will do one hell of a lot of damage to criminals who are heavily invested in the drug trade. i bet THEY will be the first to freak out about it. what people WANT they WILL find a way to get it. the "drug problem" isn't going to go away just because they aren't allowed to have it. all that money wasted keeping people in jail over drugs. while murders tend to get off. just remember "if they outlaw catapults, only outlaws will have catapults", the catapults won't disappear, but they would become much more expensive, and even MORE fun to play with.

This site has to have military connections to it. Why? Because of all the support, if you will, for the police. Uh, why exactly, should we support the police? As i see it, the cops have been getting away with MURDER, and doing nothing but protecting the elite, for many-a-year, now...so why again, do you defend them? Do you really believe they are there for YOU? hahahahaha Fools!!!

I, personally, thought it was great to see them all quit. Why should they give their lives to a make-believe war? They aren't superheroes. They have families. The rules in Mexico are hardly the same as the U.S. In Mexico, the "bad guys" actually bring guns and not knives, to the fight. The crap that goes on in the U.S. wouldn't even fly in Mexico. The cops in Mexico are pretty smart...if you ask me. They know how far they can play the "Captain Courageous" role for. Besides, we don't need a police FORCE to govern our lives, on planet earth. I think we can to that, on our own; if the "man" would stop taking away our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS!

And, since when are the cops your "buddies"? Perhaps you should check out some youtube vids, of police brutality and excessive force. Maybe that will change your mind!

I'm looking forward to the line being drawn between: right/wrong, good/bad, and then getting on with the showdown. Time to choose sides! Oh wait, that depends on what YOU see as: right/wrong, good/bad.

reply to post by nuttin4U


That's about right. The whole situation is dripping with irony. We have the world's largest drug-consuming nation to the north with draconian drug laws that are not meant to stop drug traffic but to control the flow and take a cut of the trade.

That nation pays Mexico's leaders to continue the Drug War supplying them with cash, helicopters, and special forces "advisors" so they can direct who to fight and who to let pass by. They supply the drug cartels with thousands of weapons so they can justify other expenditures. US alphabet agencies crash their drug-laden aircraft on Mexican soil exposing their true dealings in these matters but sweep it under the table. They cut deals with certain cartels letting them move multiple tons of drugs into the US. And basically pull strings to make everyone dance to their tune while fomenting violence and keep the drugs moving while spreading tales about the menace to the south.

No self-respecting law enforcement agent wants to continue such a futile game even if it is gainful employment. It is rigged so that they cannot help their fellow man effectively but just add a few notes to this orchestrated farce.

This is the sign of the times.

Declare a war against your own people (the ones just wanting to exercise their freedom and use whatever drugs they want, not just the most poisonus ones permitted by the government) and anarchy is sure to follow.

It simply is a war that is lost in the same moment it is announced.

reply to post by varikonniemi


Such an insidious plot has never before been perpetrated by governments against their own people. Dripping with the alluring trappings of altruism while snaring away liberties, tranquility, and any expectations of privacy saying all along the way, "it's for the good of the people to save them from such a menace."

It's the fallacy of creating a system of anarchy and dressing it in the guise of control. We start by indoctrinating the people into accepting recreational drug use as a way of life with slogans such as, "This Bud's for you," and "It's Miller time," and creating mass institutions and traditions of consumption. We create taboos for alternative substances and declare open discussion of them off-limits so they can be dismissed with simple platitudes as "drugs are bad" to end any possible debate.

Vast systems of crime and punishment are instituted globally to combat the "menace." Governments institute agencies for the purpose of "controlling" the resultant illicit trade, which later shows their involvement in this system of control to include distribution, protection of shipments and carriers, and other nefarious enterprises.

That these governments and agencies engage in control and trafficking but under cover of darkness and deception places the whole enterprise in an anarchic system without regulation and oversight. Bypassing regulated systems of distribution enables systems of profiteering and an industry without oversight.

These practices are not out in the open but in the several decades of the Drug War our governments' involvement in the illegal practices they themselves defined has become exposed many times over, though continually denied.

Prohibition is a game the average citizen can never benefit by, not unless he too becomes a player in the game. It is enormousely successful for many at both ends of the game's spectrum, inherently dangerous for middle-level players, and costly for those not involved.

It is a game of denial and contradiction for the players involved, and an exercise in self-delusion for those who expect they can remain fair and honest if their work exposes them to the various aspects of it all.

For those policemen there is no "win" side possible. The only way for them to keep from losing it all is just to quit and become as far removed from it as possible. For any law enforcement officers that become even remotely involved in the "narco" aspects of their job, as I would expect all would have to do, there is no role to play in this where they can remain "clean."

Even the most honest cop by just following orders and carrying out his job to the best of his ability, he is just as guilty as any of Nazi soldiers who were "just doing their job." They will be morally damned the moment they take the oath. This whole business is dirty, there is not a clean player left.