Massive Riot In Tottenham London

On this page and on the 'something just happened in england' thread you have the same names and faces/users drawing sand lines over even how english people are supposed to speak.
Its not just ridiculous, I am starting to think you are doing it on purpose, or that these users are about 11yrs old.
Dont waste the space and peoples time here please, england has a multi ethnic community, especially in cities.

Besides the above I am going to point out the above quotes re the flying squad/co19. It appears that 'pavement ambush' while dangerous for the officers involved , is also highly dangerous to the general public too, in acrowded london district especially.
CO19 operating again with the flying squad outside of their normal locality ended an armed robbery with an ambush and shootings dead.
It appears they wait until the suspect(s) are properly armed and dangerous, to 'ambush' them. But these ambushes are turning into summary executions , occuring right in front of the public. For those already agreived by the ptb who hold offices in this area, this is just too much to deal with for them, happening just outside their front doors in this case. They want to know why this happened and why they were left in the line of fire during an end result of a so called intelligence operation.
If it's fear of and anger at the police they wanted by doing things like pavement ambush, it's certainly what they got.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Do you not count Black people as English, people like Ian Wright, Ashley Cole, Emile Heskey. Are they not English?

Er no... the English are an ethnic group. That would be like me moving to America and calling myself a Navajo.

Black British yes, English no. And don't even try to call me a racist.

England = Angleland = "land of the Angles" = land of the Germanic tribes who forged the kingdom(s) of England.

English = Anglisc = Germanic term for "people like the Angles".

reply to post by Cythraul


Should they be allowed to play for the England national football team? My great grandparents are from Ireland.My grandparents and parents born in England. Am I allowed to call myself English?

Originally posted by NadaCambia
I'm not sure what videos everyone else watched but given the ethnic make up of the area you're being deceptive to suggest the turn out was slanted in race.

Of course most people are going to be non-white when most the area is non-white, that's a given. However, there were plenty of white and jewish people present.

Then, to you, I pose 2 questions:

1) Why have the English been ethnically cleansed of large areas of their capital city, and is this okay?

2) Why did this riot occur in one of the "non white" areas? Could it be because different ethnic groups have different methods of dealing with what they perceive to be 'wrongdoings to their community'? And when you answer this one, bear in mind that it is not just 'black communities' that have a reason to feel aggrieved. In fact, institutional racism doesn't exist anymore and has given way to positive discrimination.

Was watching BBC (blair, brown, cameron) news before, and one of the youth social workers from that area said the protest was peaceful until the police battered an unarmed woman for no reason, this sparked the violence.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Cythraul

 

Should they be allowed to play for the England national football team? My great grandparents are from Ireland.My grandparents born in England. Am I allowed to call myself English?

I'm not getting into this with you woodwardjnr, not again. We've been over this precise debate several times on ATS over the years. I suspect you just enjoy the 'ongoing battle against racism', and you perceive our little run-ins as a microcosm of that.

All I will say is that I am not racist, but am beyond caring if anyone wants to call me that (the label has lost all meaning). I do not judge people's worth by their ancestry, but I do acknowledge ancestry as a vital component in ethnic and cultural identity. So sue me. I'm not giving up my ethnic identity just to avoid hurting the feelings of Liberal do-gooders.

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Do you not count Black people as English, people like Ian Wright, Ashley Cole, Emile Heskey. Are they not English?

Er no... the English are an ethnic group. That would be like me moving to America and calling myself a Navajo.

Black British yes, English no. And don't even try to call me a racist.

England = Angleland = "land of the Angles" = land of the Germanic tribes who forged the kingdom(s) of England.

English = Anglisc = Germanic term for "people like the Angles".

So English isn't a nationality either?

And there is no set English ethnic group

Here's some videos from RT that Ive found.

During the riot -



A lot of damage.

And the aftermath this morning

reply to post by Cythraul


I've never called you racist, just trying to highlight the history involved in immigration to this country and how it's not always that easy to define what is English. I appreciate these definitions are important to you and you have as much right to your opinion as I have to mine.

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by NadaCambia
I'm not sure what videos everyone else watched but given the ethnic make up of the area you're being deceptive to suggest the turn out was slanted in race.

Of course most people are going to be non-white when most the area is non-white, that's a given. However, there were plenty of white and jewish people present.

Then, to you, I pose 2 questions:

1) Why have the English been ethnically cleansed of large areas of their capital city, and is this okay?

2) Why did this riot occur in one of the "non white" areas? Could it be because different ethnic groups have different methods of dealing with what they perceive to be 'wrongdoings to their community'? And when you answer this one, bear in mind that it is not just 'black communities' that have a reason to feel aggrieved. In fact, institutional racism doesn't exist anymore and has given way to positive discrimination.

1) Because when a couple of "darkies" move into a neighbourhood, racists like yourself flee. House prices fall and the areas are only able to attract more poverty-stricken "ethnic" people. And also because the Capitalist government have flooded the country with hordes of immigrants to undermine British labour rights and drive the economy.

2) I don't know, could it have anything to do with the fact Tottenham High Road is 2 minutes from Ferry Lane, where Duggan was shot? Or maybe the fact the Police Station is situated on High Road has something to do with it! When people protest against the Police, the Police Station is usually where the protest. From my experience that's true of all races. I mean, where else would they protest?

I think you must be Middle Class to think different races deal with these situations differently. Facts and occurrences across the country show this to be untrue. But lets not allow facts to get in the way of some good ol' racism.

England means virtually nothing in terms of nationality anymore. We are UK citizens.
I think of england as defined by St.George, and his flag, the legend who saw the people through the comet , 3500 years ago, at the heart of this country here - england.
I dont care what he or they looked like, or where they came from. They lived here, and they saw out history, here.

What did they shoot him with, a slingshot?

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Cythraul

 

I've never called you racist, just trying to highlight the history involved in immigration to this country and how it's not always that easy to define what is English. I appreciate these definitions are important to you and you have as much right to your opinion as I have to mine.

Ok, thanks for being reasonable and mature. Apologies if I put words in your mouth - I shouldn't. Let's just agree to disagree, respectfully. Star for you.

Originally posted by NadaCambia
So English isn't a nationality either?

And there is no set English ethnic group

There is so much wrong with the above two statements I don't know where to begin. The word "Nation" has 4 definitions (dictionary.com):

1. a large body of people, associated with a particular territory, that is sufficiently conscious of its unity to seek or to possess a government peculiarly its own: The president spoke to the nation about the new tax.
2. the territory or country itself: the nations of Central America.
3. a member tribe of an American Indian confederation.
4. an aggregation of persons of the same ethnic family, often speaking the same language or cognate languages.

So which do you mean? England is a nation - undermined in the political sense, but will always exist as long as some English people exist - the same way people talk about 'the Jewish nation'.

Originally posted by NadaCambia
Because when a couple of "darkies" move into a neighbourhood, racists like yourself flee.

Wow, you didn't waste any time playing the tired old "R card". What is the driving force behind "white flight"? Even if every white-flighter is a card-carrying racist, like me , could there not be legitimate, rational concerns behind it? What I mean is - do you really believe people are going to move neighbourhood simply and purely because a single non-white family moves into the street? Even a hardcore racist wouldn't do that; which leads me to believe that white flight is more about ethnic groups specifically settling within a certain vicinity of one another en masse. Why settle together like this? And if that's perfectly natural, why is it not also natural for ethnic English folk to do the same?

Originally posted by NadaCambia
And also because the Capitalist government have flooded the country with hordes of immigrants to undermine British labour rights and drive the economy.

At least we agree on that. Sure you don't carry the 'racist' gene yourself?

Originally posted by NadaCambia
I mean, where else would they protest?

Protest? A protest ceases to be a protest the moment looting takes over.

Originally posted by NadaCambia
I think you must be Middle Class to think different races deal with these situations differently.

Why?

Originally posted by Cythraul
Wow, you didn't waste any time playing the tired old "R card". What is the driving force behind "white flight"? Even if every white-flighter is a card-carrying racist, like me

, could there not be legitimate, rational concerns behind it? What I mean is - do you really believe people are going to move neighbourhood simply and purely because a single non-white family moves into the street? Even a hardcore racist wouldn't do that; which leads me to believe that white flight is more about ethnic groups specifically settling within a certain vicinity of one another en masse. Why settle together like this? And if that's perfectly natural, why is it not also natural for ethnic English folk to do the same?

What happens is a couple of non-white folks do okay for themselves and buy property within white communities... Why? Because they want to integrate! Then white people worry about house prices and start selling. Maybe it's not driven by racism all the time, but it happens.

And I reject your claim that ethnic people are actively trying to settle together. The evidence is to the contrary. Those with the money to move into desirable(almost always close to exclusively white) areas do so. Unfortunately when this happens as I say the "natives" get scared and start off a chain reaction which sees gradual decline in house prices, leading to the area becoming more ethnic, or at least more working class. Then the cycle continues.

At least we agree on that. Sure you don't carry the 'racist' gene yourself?

But I have no problem with migrants, immigrants or people who aren't "proper" English.

Protest? A protest ceases to be a protest the moment looting takes over.

Yes, but the looting happened after the fact. Beforehand there was a protest at the Police Station. You wanted to know why they were in that part of town and I told you. Because he was shot only a mile down the road and the local Police Station was where the original protests(and they were protests, originally) were.

That's why they were there. It's perfectly rational.

Why?

Because only someone who's lived a sheltered life would come to be of the opinion that white people would react differently. I don't believe you're familiar with the white working class at all, from that comment. That's why I think you must be Middle Class, to make a claim that's objectively incorrect - As I can show you with evidence, if you'd like?

These threads are seriously going down the drain disdained with bigotry and racism. If it was a White guy whom was shot would you all still be classing him as an immigrant. Most of those whom live in that area have lived in the UK all of their lives.

To class them as immigrants, refugees just show how ignorant and racist some off you really are.

reply to post by Cuervo


this man shot at a cop , he was a known gangster and he got what he deserved .

the riots have nothing to do with the shooting , it is outsiders that have come into the area under the disguise of the protest to loot and destroy .

do you really think that the people that live in this area are the ones that are causing the mass damage

the locals now have nowhere to shop , lots of people are now homeless .

it is a pity that the riot act was not read and the looters shot on sight

reply to post by AnonymousFem

For my part I had no intention of making this discussion a racial one, other than to point out the fact that most of those pictured rioting are not English. Call them British, call them people, call them violent youth - whatever. But don't call ducks geese.

My specific thoughts on the 'riot' are that it is not the great uprising many of us on ATS are hoping for, and it's sad that people are trying to make it seem that way. It was simply a bunch of poor kids from the area, possibly involved in gangs, trying to get revenge for the death of one of their own... that or kids looking for an excuse to loot and vandalise.

reply to post by tom.farnhill


Where is the proof. There is no proof he used a gun. It is all media hype and speculation.

So please get your facts right before speculating.

Was the same with other people whom have died in that area. The Police tried to cover it up so, please go spout your disinformation elsewhere.

reply to post by Cythraul


So if they were born here and lived here all of their lives, what does that make them? Not British or English oh please get a clue. Were were you born and brought up? If your not being racist o r being a bigot then you have a lot to prove.