(Disturbing Videos) King Kalien and Momma K.

Originally posted by HolographicPrincipal
reply to post by undo

 

I hear what you are saying. And the youtube comments are certainly something I wouldn't want my child to see, especially if it was directed at him - which is another reason why there is a problem. She put him there. She posted these videos. If this is what she wants the world to see, imagine what happens off camera? Some people I'm sure just want to put their 2 cents in and say rude, raunchy things across the web and youtube. But a lot of people are disturbed by what the mother has put out there for the public, and are spreading the word because they feel it's a bad situation that needs attention.

the issue isn't that she put them there, IF she is mentally/emotionally ill, because that would be the real issue. expecting a mentally ill person to make good decisions is asking alot. they may do so on occassion but likely as not ,they will make incomprehensible decisions because their brains are malfunctioning. and yes, if she is ill, she needs medical help and if the accusations are true, her son needs medical help too. but let's not pretend bringing this to the attention of mob mentality is going to fix anything. just the opposite.

Originally posted by sean_uk
If this was an allegation of child pornography or under age sex abuse it would be reported to YouTube, and they (YouTube), presumably would report it to the authorities. If the OP had encountered this kind of child abuse, would he/she be posting these disturbing videos on ATS?

You bring up an excellent point. Why in the heck is the OP posting this here?! If it's illegal behavior, call the authorities.

reply to post by enament


if the adult is mentally ill, then she's a child too, and you should look at it that way. because she would be functioning with less than the full deck of cards healthy adults have to work with. i contracted brain stem encephalitis and went into a full blown coma. when i came out of it, the hospital psychiatrist interviewed me (after a few days) and determined i had recovered but not fully, as i was still functioning with the emotional and mental maturity of a 16 year old (due to the brain damage). took a very long time to readjust to normal life and become a functional mom and wife again, only to be struck with breast cancer, the surgery for which put me in early menopause. now that's not a pretty picture. anyway, the brain is an extremely delicate instrument and if anything goes wrong, it can make swiss cheese of your decision making processes.

reply to post by felonius


There's worse things in this world than bringing your child up to be a vegetarian or vegan. "Forcing" your kids to be Christian or Muslim is more cruel and much more common, and it is normal for parents to raise their children to their own standards and beliefs.

reply to post by mustangill


What has gone to far? I'm not getting a laugh out of anything. Also no need to add the seventeen fourty nine. My name is clearly Drew.

reply to post by Cuervo


It isn't illegal behavior. I said Disturbing. Not illegal.

reply to post by undo


I do look at it that way actually my girlfriend has border line personality disorder.

reply to post by Cuervo


The disturbing videos have all been removed from youtube. You haven't looked into this at all and really should not be commenting until you do. They were removed because they violated YouTubes terms and conditions. The OP is asking people to contact authorities and has stated that he/she has. I think your only REAL point of contention with this thread is the anti vegan remarks.

reply to post by sean_uk


Ignore the vegan thing. Have you read ANY of the thread? The issue is not if the woman is vegan, and forcing her son to be. It is that she appears (to quite a few people) to be mentally unbalanced and putting her kid in VERY inappropriate situations. Like filming her do sexy dances in wave her barely covered crotch and anus in his face. Picking on the vegan remarks is the most BS argument at the moment.

Ive seen abused kids before, the family over the road from where i lived as a child took in abused kids, i even grew up with one of the abused kids, went to school with them etc. Watching those first vids on the first page, well, ive seen that look that boy has in his eyes before. Its the 'put on a face to be ok, but inside i feel like sh*t and hate my life' look.

The kid playing in the first few vids although a tad creepy, i reckon is nothing more than a kid playing, and its a hard one to make a judgement on, could be escapism, or just childs play, but the one with her mother, looked forced and false, didn't look right.

As for the vegan thing, you eat the way your raised, simple. I like me a huge steak and fries, but thats just me, if she wasn't feeding the boy anything at all, now that would be child abuse.

reply to post by Domo1

Agreed, if anyone hasn't seen the videos:

I'd say she does things nobody would be comfortable with if it was their mother doing such to them.... unless... well unless your into that kind of thing then uh yeah.

Originally posted by enament
reply to post by undo

 

I do look at it that way actually my girlfriend has border line personality disorder.

edit on 1-8-2011 by enament because: (no reason given)

then you should also realize not everyone is your girlfriend and their malfunctions may be different, more severe, less severe or based on things you don't understand. so judging her based on that may not reflect reality. not saying you do or don't do that, just making the point that her biological age, if she's indeed ill, may not play a role in this at all or it may be that it is not the same as her mental/emotional age. we don't know and we aren't qualified to know. thread should be closed till they find out what's up.

Originally posted by BlackDove
Ive seen abused kids before, the family over the road from where i lived as a child took in abused kids, i even grew up with one of the abused kids, went to school with them etc. Watching those first vids on the first page, well, ive seen that look that girl has in her eyes before. Its the 'put on a face to be ok, but inside i feel like sh*t and hate my life' look.

It's a boy, and I think some where someone said ITT she makes him talk in a higher pitch and will correct him if he does not?

Contrary to what many are saying in this thread, I do believe this is child abuse. Her behavior stretches beyond "eccentric" and "bizarre." The reason I would construe this as child abuse is mainly because her child is being robbed of any sense of normalcy, which one must have to some degree to care for oneself in the future.

Being homeschooled also suggests that the child has little if any social interaction with his peers, which further agitates the situation, if true. When growing up, parents are almost God-like figures to children, as psychology teaches us, and however the parents behave will seem to the child as the way things are done everywhere. Trying to inject himself into society after being deprived of the necessary social skills, among other things, is going to be next to impossible, and that is the main reason I consider this child abuse.

However, before you disagree with me, I suggest you do what I did, and scour the web looking for all of the relevant information. There was more information available than I expected before initiating my searches, and I would be willing to bet that anyone who scours the information will be appalled, because all of this information is not available in this thread.

In my mind, child abuse can occur on two different levels: physical and mental. With physical abuse, mental problems are sure to follow, kind of like a packaged deal. Pure mental abuse, even though this may not be intentional but rather due to the psychological condition of the mother, it is abuse nonetheless. On a psychological level the child probably does not know that he is not normal, and I shudder at the thought of what awaits him in the future.

Now, although I do consider this child abuse, and serious abuse at that due to its nature and the situation, I do not think that the child should be taken from the mother. Doing so at this point in the child's life would be more detrimental than helpful. The best course of action in my opinion would be for the mother to get mandatory evaluation and treatment for her disorder(s), so she can gradually assimilate her child into more of a normal psychological state. I do not know if this is possible at this point, because much damage has been done, but it is still probably the best option.

If anyone has doubts about the impact of the mother's actions on the child, I urge you to do some research into psychology and the human mind, focusing especially on the relationship between children and their parents...It is not cut and dry, and sometimes it is very counter intuitive.

Before anyone gets all worked up over my response, I would like to explain one point:
I realize that I could be blatantly incorrect in my assumptions and diagnosis, as I am not a professional psychologist or psychiatrist, however my hypothesis is exactly that, an educated guess. So if you wish to disagree, please note that I am not attempting to force my views on anyone, and I am not implying that I am 100% correct. I am open to others' ideas, theories, hypotheses, and explanations, and I will not dismiss anyone's ideas without logically considering them...Deny Ignorance, and don't forget to flush the toilet! Thank you...that is all.

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by Cuervo

 

The disturbing videos have all been removed from youtube. You haven't looked into this at all and really should not be commenting until you do. They were removed because they violated YouTubes terms and conditions. The OP is asking people to contact authorities and has stated that he/she has. I think your only REAL point of contention with this thread is the anti vegan remarks.

I admit, his connecting a healthy diet to supporting evidence of child abuse did make me commit to a strawman argument.

Thanks for calling me out on that.

The kid and his mom are trolling hard.

Here's the father:

I don't know if this has been noted in this thread, but there are a number of different youtube accounts that should be looked at,

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Are the ones I've browsed but I think there's another.

I came across these two a while ago, can't remember how but it was the bathtub video (him blowing bubbles). Sorry, but from an objective view being someone who had never heard of these before, I don't know how it's possible to think that this is not abusive. I'm thinking maybe people haven't viewed all of their videos on all of their accounts?

He's been 'groomed' in this way since at least 2007. She now has him believing that the people trying to help are "trolls", apparently. It's really sad.

I commend the OP for bringing this to a wider audience. I don't know where all the flak is coming from? This is NOT normal behaviour!

reply to post by Cocasinpry


I really wish they were trolling.

But these two winners are fu*ked.

reply to post by Cuervo


Well I am very impressed with that admission and I am sorry if I came across as a prick. I've seen you in a few other threads and remember liking your input. In all honesty, the anti vegan thing bothered me at first too. I have a bit of a knee jerk reaction towards vegans, but those that actually research it and can get the proper nutrients/protein etc I have no problem with. My cousins daughter is a vegan, and healthy as can be.

I actually thank you as well, the vegan thing should be ignored in this thread and you made a good case for that.

I may have to friend you and PM a few questions someday. People like you are the reason I like this site so much.

reply to post by Lysergic


OMG!

Second line.

Thanks for the heads up.