100% Inconclusive opinion: Pole shift not the end of the world...???

Hi Everyone,
hope your all well...

i have been thinking about the possibility of a "POLE SHIFT" for a long time now...

+ i always wondered what would be the actual physical outcome of such an event...
and also the mechanisms involved.

Firstly, is it accepted as fact, that
the magnetic poles themselves "wander",
and from time to time end up in areas
opposite to what we have now...???

A geomagnetic reversal is a change in the Earth's magnetic field
such that the positions of magnetic north and magnetic south are interchanged.

The Earth's field has alternated between periods of normal polarity,
in which the direction of the field was the same as the present direction,
and reverse polarity, in which the field was in the opposite direction.

These periods are called chrons. The time spans of chrons are randomly distributed
with most being between 0.1 and 1 million years. Most reversals are estimated to take
between 1,000 and 10,000 years. The latest one, the Brunhes–Matuyama reversal,
occurred 780,000 years ago. Brief disruptions that do not result in reversal are called
geomagnetic excursions.

The rate of reversals in the Earth's magnetic field has varied widely over time.
72 million years ago (Ma), the field reversed 5 times in a million years.
In a 4-million-year period centered on 54 Ma, there were 10 reversals;
at around 42 Ma, 17 reversals took place in the span of 3 million years.

In a period of 3 million years centering on 24 Ma, 13 reversals occurred.
No fewer than 51 reversals occurred in a 12-million-year period,
centering on 15 million years ago.

These eras of frequent reversals have been counterbalanced by
a few "superchrons" – long periods when no reversals took place... .

en.wikipedia.org...


So, i was hoping we could get some ATS input on the difference, if any,
between "POLE SHIFT" and "geomagnetic reversals"...

As i see it, a "geomagnetic reversal" would just involve the actual magnetic poles
ending up "reverse" of what they are now...with no actual effect on the land masses themselves...

(although it might affect birds, and other lifeforms)... + navigation etc...

But would a "pole shift" ( if it is different ) actually be like the Earth "tipping over",
and the landmasses themselves ending up in different latitudes and longitudes...???

Some scientists have produced models for the core of the Earth
wherein the magnetic field is only quasi-stable and the poles can
spontaneously migrate from one orientation to the other over the course
of a few hundred to a few thousand years.

Other scientists propose that the geodynamo first turns itself off,
either spontaneously or through some external action...
and then restarts itself with the magnetic "North" pole pointing either North or South.
External events are not likely to be routine causes of magnetic field reversals...

see: wikipedia.org + (Earth's_magnetic_field) couldnt fix link SORRY...


By the way, polar shift hypothesis, etc, is not exactly a new idea...

An early mention of a shifting of the Earth's axis can be found in an 1872 article entitled "Chronologie historique des Mexicains"[7] by Charles Étienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a specialist in Mesoamerican codices who interpreted ancient Mexican myths as evidence for four periods of global cataclysms that had begun around 10,500 B.C.

en.wikipedia.org...

+ i always found that date ( 10,500 BC ) to be interesting...
( "maps of the ancient sea kings " - Charles Hapgood )
+ Immanuel Velikovsky ... etc ... but thats another story...

Anyway, i know theres a lot of "EXPERTs" here on ATS,
so i was hoping we could just discuss the mechanisms,
and actual physical results of a polar shift, or geomagnetic reversal...

(not looking for Elenin predictions or 2012 stuff, just interested in FACTS, please )...

thanks for your interest, if any,

+ seeya...

Good info , more to add by edit . First impressions- full geomagnetic reversal wiki link may not be quite accurate in terms of timing. link to vid if not up

reply to post by shaneR

Here are a couple of my threads that you might be interested in.
Geomagnetic Pole Reversals: Part 1 (Pole shifts)
Geomagnetic Pole Reversals: Part 2 (Effects on life)

Here is an excerpt from part 2.

Cells in the human body require a pulsed magnetic field and magnetic resonance stimulation in order to catalyze the reactions that take place every second. When Yuri Gagarin made that historic first manned flight into space we did not know how vital these two processes were to life on earth. Because these two processes were not simulated by technology for Yuri Gagarin when he left earth he experienced depressed metabolism, mental depression, bone loss, muscle degeneration, impaired perception and over all fatigue.

Yuri Gagarin was only in space for 108 minutes.. I can only imagine what prolonged magnetic malnourishment would do to life on earth. But not only that, when the magnetic field stabilises it will be completely different anatomically than what it is now. So how different will our cells react if we do survive long enough to 'Adapt' to this new field?

Not trying to derail your thread just thought my threads could perhaps help.

reply to post by TechUnique


hi TechUnique,
hope U well,
+ thanks for the reply...

sorry, i did search, and ended up with heaps of 2012 stuff etc,
and a couple of older threads, but missed yours altogether, sorry...

and U got some good info there,
i am already looking thru it,
and also some of the contributors stuff...

thnaks alot for pointing me in that direction,
cheers...

seeya

reply to post by ZIPMATT


hi ZIPMATT,
thanks for the reply,

yes i have always been interested in Velikovsky's theories...

loving that celestial dance and occassional collision...

gunna watch the vid later, after supper... thanks...looking forward to it...

seeya

reply to post by TechUnique


Moses et al went through it last time . Thanks for the links-a v interesting subject . I heard one crazy guy off his head about Elenin on a radio show saying "you are going to need to be wearing a lead helmet when this thing goes off" etc "otherwise your brain will get cooked.."
LOL I like to keep it simple ; who lives or dies is down to God

edit have you got a link to quoted source about Gagarin ; cos it h'aint on here > this marvelous acheivement .
Scroll down this link and you get to his mystery death.
*wonders how good space suits really are *
wiki link uri gagarin

reply to post by shaneR


In the first 100 pages of Worlds In Collision , Velikovsky established facts , not theories. World changing facts if 'they' had allowed the truths he forwarded to be absorbed fully . He was denied but later proved correct on several of his actual theories ; we have to differentitiate between the two : theory , and FACT .

reply to post by shaneR


Lesser discussed by many is the scientific evidence that the magnetic poles have shifted as much as 6 degrees per day...

Palaeomagnetic results from lava flows recording a geomagnetic polarity reversal at Steens Mountain, Oregon suggest the occurrence of brief episodes of astonishingly rapid field change of six degrees per day. The evidence is large, systematic variations in the direction of remanent magnetization as a function of the temperature of thermal demagnetization and of vertical position within a single flow, which are most simply explained by the hypothesis that the field was changing direction as the flow cooled.

New evidence for extraordinarily rapid change of the geomagnetic field during a reversal...

reply to post by ZIPMATT


thanks again ZIPMATT,

and appreciate the input...

also agree about Velikovsky,
a man before his time...

BUT i was just wary of using the word "facts",
was even considering just using "hypothesis"... for what i know...

didnt want to get too flamed...!!!


anyway,
others that may be interested, good stuff in chapter 5 as well...
"worlds in collision"...

also his other books are interesting..."earth in upheaval" and "ages in chaos" (velikovsky)...

seeeya

Originally posted by rstregooski
reply to post by shaneR

 

Lesser discussed by many is the scientific evidence that the magnetic poles have shifted as much as 6 degrees per day...

Palaeomagnetic results from lava flows recording a geomagnetic polarity reversal at Steens Mountain, Oregon suggest the occurrence of brief episodes of astonishingly rapid field change of six degrees per day. The evidence is large, systematic variations in the direction of remanent magnetization as a function of the temperature of thermal demagnetization and of vertical position within a single flow, which are most simply explained by the hypothesis that the field was changing direction as the flow cooled.

New evidence for extraordinarily rapid change of the geomagnetic field during a reversal...

then there is evidence new and old because Velikovsky cited these findings too. i always wondered why my long unseen friend described his chosen field geology as a 'dark world'

reply to post by rstregooski


hi rstregooski,
thanks for the reply...
and the link,
very interesting...

(from your link...)

Palaeomagnetic results from lava flows recording a geomagnetic polarity reversal
at Steens Mountain, Oregon suggest the occurrence of brief episodes of astonishingly
rapid field change of six degrees per day

6 degrees (per day) x 30 days = 180 degrees in ONE MONTH...
wow... 180 degrees = opposite...



So my original question is still:
what would the PHYSICAL results be...

eg: we dont really notice the geomagnetic field, as such...

so i am asking whether the whole Earth is going to spin around
so it becomes upside down ( compared to now...)
eg Antarctica where Siberia is, and vice-versa...

OR: is it just the actual magnetism that will be reversed...???

thanks again,
+ seeya...

reply to post by shaneR


So we know of Velikovsky - your take is what on the current shifting - can you prove it >

Originally posted by shaneR
reply to post by rstregooski

 

So my original question is still:
what would the PHYSICAL results be...

eg: we dont really notice the geomagnetic field, as such...

so i am asking whether the whole Earth is going to spin around
so it becomes upside down ( compared to now...)
eg Antarctica where Siberia is, and vice-versa...

OR: is it just the actual magnetism that will be reversed...???

thanks again,
+ seeya...

acc. the biblical and other accounts the water all 'stood up' . physical effects by Noahs account - the tide came in and well over the land several times ; over the hills even . physically speaking he built a boat uphill and moored it - because he measured the depth

reply to post by ZIPMATT


i just asked what the physical effects of a "pole shift" would actually be...
please tell me what U think will actually happen...

eg: are the oceans going to be displaced...???
or ANY physical activity...?

OR, as i have asked a few times now...
will nothing happen that we can actually feel...???

thanks...

Also described is the 'cosmic war' of many a supposed mythological tale . Geomagnetic exchange ; with highly visible phenomen looking like a giant battle in the sky , at the same time as xyz , caused by comet . We have to count on St.George to slay the dragon ; because the story is 3500 years old too.

reply to post by shaneR


dont leave the geo out of geomagnetic reversal > the sun went round the other way before it . The elders of the ancients took bets on where the sun would come up after it .none of the was right .These are just clues
Physical effects _ i expect the grand canyon was gushing > you caould probably feel the vibrations from it . That trickle at the bottom did not cut a pit like that in that rock

Originally posted by shaneR
reply to post by rstregooski

 

hi rstregooski,
thanks for the reply...
and the link,
very interesting...

(from your link...)

Palaeomagnetic results from lava flows recording a geomagnetic polarity reversal
at Steens Mountain, Oregon suggest the occurrence of brief episodes of astonishingly
rapid field change of six degrees per day

6 degrees (per day) x 30 days = 180 degrees in ONE MONTH...
wow... 180 degrees = opposite...

So my original question is still:
what would the PHYSICAL results be...

eg: we dont really notice the geomagnetic field, as such...

so i am asking whether the whole Earth is going to spin around
so it becomes upside down ( compared to now...)
eg Antarctica where Siberia is, and vice-versa...

OR: is it just the actual magnetism that will be reversed...???

thanks again,
+ seeya...

A magnetic reversal is of course much different than a geographic reversal. I believe Einstein hypothesized that uneven ice accumulation offset between the two poles could cause "crustal displacement", or something to that effect, which I think jived with Edgar Cayce's discussion.

A few months ago the Tampa airport had to re-position their ILS equipment or something because of the changing magnetic field, supposedly running towards Russia at 40km/year.
Link...

Of course migration patterns are affected by such long scale changes, and think I've read that weather patterns have some correlation to a changing magnetic field. On the flip side, the sun reverses its field every 11 years and that doesn't seem to get too crazy, although it is just a giant ball of gas...

Final note, the north pole is actually the south pole: communication breakdown...
AboveTopSecret.com...

reply to post by shaneR
The current polar areas would end up on the equator.

reply to post by curtius


hi curtius,
and welcome to ATS...!

thanks for your input...

but would be interested to know, why U think that...?

an actual physical movement of the crust itself???

wow...

Originally posted by shaneR
Hi Everyone,
hope your all well...

i have been thinking about the possibility of a "POLE SHIFT" for a long time now...

+ i always wondered what would be the actual physical outcome of such an event...
and also the mechanisms involved.

Firstly, is it accepted as fact, that
the magnetic poles themselves "wander",
and from time to time end up in areas
opposite to what we have now...???

A geomagnetic reversal is a change in the Earth's magnetic field
such that the positions of magnetic north and magnetic south are interchanged.

The Earth's field has alternated between periods of normal polarity,
in which the direction of the field was the same as the present direction,
and reverse polarity, in which the field was in the opposite direction.

These periods are called chrons. The time spans of chrons are randomly distributed
with most being between 0.1 and 1 million years. Most reversals are estimated to take
between 1,000 and 10,000 years. The latest one, the Brunhes–Matuyama reversal,
occurred 780,000 years ago. Brief disruptions that do not result in reversal are called
geomagnetic excursions.

The rate of reversals in the Earth's magnetic field has varied widely over time.
72 million years ago (Ma), the field reversed 5 times in a million years.
In a 4-million-year period centered on 54 Ma, there were 10 reversals;
at around 42 Ma, 17 reversals took place in the span of 3 million years.

In a period of 3 million years centering on 24 Ma, 13 reversals occurred.
No fewer than 51 reversals occurred in a 12-million-year period,
centering on 15 million years ago.

These eras of frequent reversals have been counterbalanced by
a few "superchrons" – long periods when no reversals took place... .

en.wikipedia.org...


So, i was hoping we could get some ATS input on the difference, if any,
between "POLE SHIFT" and "geomagnetic reversals"...

As i see it, a "geomagnetic reversal" would just involve the actual magnetic poles
ending up "reverse" of what they are now...with no actual effect on the land masses themselves...

(although it might affect birds, and other lifeforms)... + navigation etc...

But would a "pole shift" ( if it is different ) actually be like the Earth "tipping over",
and the landmasses themselves ending up in different latitudes and longitudes...???

Some scientists have produced models for the core of the Earth
wherein the magnetic field is only quasi-stable and the poles can
spontaneously migrate from one orientation to the other over the course
of a few hundred to a few thousand years.

Other scientists propose that the geodynamo first turns itself off,
either spontaneously or through some external action...
and then restarts itself with the magnetic "North" pole pointing either North or South.
External events are not likely to be routine causes of magnetic field reversals...

see: wikipedia.org + (Earth's_magnetic_field) couldnt fix link SORRY...


By the way, polar shift hypothesis, etc, is not exactly a new idea...

An early mention of a shifting of the Earth's axis can be found in an 1872 article entitled "Chronologie historique des Mexicains"[7] by Charles Étienne Brasseur de Bourbourg, a specialist in Mesoamerican codices who interpreted ancient Mexican myths as evidence for four periods of global cataclysms that had begun around 10,500 B.C.

en.wikipedia.org...

+ i always found that date ( 10,500 BC ) to be interesting...
( "maps of the ancient sea kings " - Charles Hapgood )
+ Immanuel Velikovsky ... etc ... but thats another story...

Anyway, i know theres a lot of "EXPERTs" here on ATS,
so i was hoping we could just discuss the mechanisms,
and actual physical results of a polar shift, or geomagnetic reversal...

(not looking for Elenin predictions or 2012 stuff, just interested in FACTS, please )...

thanks for your interest, if any,

+ seeya...

edit on 29/7/2011 by shaneR because: fix link

edit on 29/7/2011 by shaneR because: fix stupid link AGAIN

edit on 29/7/2011 by shaneR because: fix stupid link AGAIN again, anf failed sorry

Well, didn't 'scientists' say these pole shifts happened before? Yet the 'earth' is still here, if our population will survive is another thing.

When do you think this is going to happen? Because mt compass still shows North as North.