Washington Post/ABC poll show Blacks , Liberals fleeing Obama in Droves! (who is sticking with him?)

I think liberal support is lessening simply because Obama has not been a liberal or progressive president. He isn't the same person that most people voted into office.

It's not because he's "incompetent" or whatever some people are saying is the reason in this thread. He's simply been too similar to the established politicians already in office, that's pretty much the exact opposite reason a lot of people voted for him. He hasn't stood up very strong for what got him elected (ie, legitimate change, etc.)

For example, Republican numbers are lower than Democrat numbers in most polls right now and yet Obama continues to lay down, is OK with cuts to medicare and SS and is not going for tax increases for the wealthy. Why?

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It's kind of hard to blame the Republicans since they only have a majority in the House, cannot get things passed but are getting approved bills but the Dem Senate does not even discuss thus hiding their complicity in the problem.

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Unless I am mistaken (I am not), Obama is trying to actually get something done despite the deadlock in the Capitol. That's why he's "lying down," he wants to lift the debt ceiling but the Republicans are in the way of this and must be appeased, or else the House cannot produce anything useful.

The problem is that the Tea Party is made up of radical (not conservative at all) ideologues and panders to an even more extreme constituency of maniacs, paranoids, and the willfully ignorant. Despite the old Republicans' efforts to raise the debt ceiling, as they have done dozens of times before, the GOP in the House is unable to overcome the hurdle that is the Tea Party fanatics. That's why Obama has to keep "lying down;" it's the only way to even begin to approach a bargain that pleases people whose stated goal is the destruction of the government.

I think that in the next election, Obama will become the ACTUAL conservative candidate. Remember what conservative really means; conserving the status quo. The liberal democratic welfare state has been status quo for decades, now. The retired persons who depend on a solvent SS fund, the vets who depend on solvent benefits, the liberals and the old-guard Republicans ALL stand in opposition to the Tea Party's radicalism, but many are bound by political reasons (John Boehner sure isn't going to give up being Speaker just because his party is uncooperative and crazy). I think that Obama will be seen as the Sensible Choice for president by people who, five years ago, would have been considered to be on opposite sides of the political spectrum. The Tea Party is THAT divisive and THAT far right. Their appearance in Congress has tipped the scales, and now even George Bush seems like a liberal compared to them.

Originally posted by SmedleyBurlap
The problem is that the Tea Party is made up of radical (not conservative at all) ideologues and panders to an even more extreme constituency of maniacs, paranoids, and the willfully ignorant.

I agree 100% there. But it's ridiculous how much Obama is willing to concede in these talks, even other Democrats are losing patience with him. Why is it that only the Democrats compromise these days? Like I've said, the whole political paradigm in this country continues to shift to the right. There's really no denying it, IMO. And that is absurd considering the majority of people disagree with a lot of what most Republicans in office these days stand for.

One of my main problems with Obama's administration is the level of compromise that has gone into virtually everything he has done so far in office. To the point that it's almost counter productive.

There is a need for compromise at times, like in the debt talks, but again, it's been mostly one-sided and yet the Republicans still refuse to accept it. Everyone (outside of the Tea Party) has a genuine right to be very pissed off right now.

I believe the Ron Paul stance on things. That it is not a political parties fault directly. All our problems have to do with giving control of our unbacked currency to banks and the FedR (which Tomas Jefferson warned us about) . And that lobbying equals bribery. The rest is the over time results of bad policies of both parties trying to band aid problems without fixing the cause. And we are now getting to the point of crash were the cause of the problem can't be ignored much longer. All this talk on the news is fake. They are all in the pockets of the banks.

When times got hard who did they bail out?? That's who is the problem.