Comet Elenin, Take a look at this, More to Consider.

reply to post by letscit

the debunker arguement that nasa knows all is just sooo stupid. but seems to be only way to debunk these claims. trust me, there is still much to discover. and much still unexplained.

Who has ever claimed that NASA knows everything? The basic cometary model was proposed sixty years ago and has continued to be refined. It has never been disproven. The claims tend to debunk themselves if you know anything at all about the physical sciences. There is indeed much to be discovered, much to be learned. But not by watching YouTube videos made in someone's basement.

reply to post by Unity_99


Very nice presentation Unity_99. I like how you brought the whole electromagnetically charged celestials to the table as well. It does make sense that a far traveling celestial would gather energy as it is causing friction traveling thru space somewhat like static electricty from the various particals that it may have encountered during its travels. Wih this data you shared it would not be hard to come to the conclusion that if this celestial came near Earth it would cause some energized changes on Earth and with SOL. 1 just keeps positive hopes for the best for ALL who may experience this celestial interaction (in current times). Thanks again for the update that didnt consist of the same ole usual Elenin doom gloom Unity_99, S&F

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


Thank you, you have to understand all the research I've done for 3 years, has been varied, also noting the dates on which events occur, and they're not random, 9/11, has a lot to do with this, and 10 11, binaries, 13, so 9/11 and Fukushma 3/11, it adds up to Elenin being a false flag of some sort, OR, a distraction for something else they will be doing. They seem to be following a script as well, and a timeline, with their statues at Colorado Airport. Last night I watched Symbols Of An Alien Sky, David Talbott's work, in part with thunderbolts, explaining all the archetypes of ancient civilizations, around the globe that all used similar pictures and terms., and saw changing plasma discharges from planets that were probably closer and lined up, and thus interacted.

In laboratories, this discharge takes on those shapes, ie. Saturn, with Venus in front, and mars again in front, so they look like a central sun, they called Saturn Sol, and Venus interacted thus had spikes, like a star, with a mars in the middle, like an eye. Venus's shape changed as things moved, so it went from 8 spired star, to 5 fingered hand, (which explains Buddhists understanding the secret link between the five fingers and the 8 armed Dharma wheel), to a Flower, to a cone shaped hat, the headress warriror kings wore.

When a comet may have shown up to disrupt things, it would have affected the allignment as well, and made Venus look like a comet.

Electric Universe created deep scarring mesa's on Mars that take on an electrical pattern, and also, create really interesting discharge shapes and plasma's.

So this is something relating to their own hidden history, and the meanings behind their symbols, also.

I am in no way suggesting Elenin is THAT comet, but perhaps their symbology, in what they've hidden from us, making it all meaningful to their dates, or something they can use.


SYMBOLS OF AN ALIEN SKY — Selections (1)


Planet of a Thousand Mysteries


The Cosmic Thunderbolt Part 2


Electric Universe & The Future of Science - Part 1

Not to try and get off topic with Elenin, but the link between the EU, and the myths of old, the Golden Age, needs to be thought out. To begin, I don't believe earth school had a golden age, here, in our solar system. I'm referring to the last video, along with the Alien Sky one, and just want to note, that every culture, of the earliest ones we know of, have this mythology that comes from a paradise lost, the golden age, where humans lived like the gods, without labor or toil. This relates a bit to the electric universe theory, but going much further into the very nature of the cosmic school, into metaphysics and spirituality, into the holographic universe, but beyond the scientific evidence for this, exploring what science doesn't touch, the purpose of the hologram and all holograms are contsructs. Stars as the portals, projectors (all holograms in laboratories require laser light to go from 2d, ie. a picture, to 3d). Stars are the points of light, the projectors the input system for the Creator(s). This goes into the nature of Infinite Energies, not just Infinite void, in other words, Infinity.

I believe that sun, not saturn, is like a mirror the way the moon mirror's the suns light/photons, and thus the Light from the Beyond and our spiritual home, is being reflected here, is Electric or the main power input, the construct which can be compared to zillions of years more progressed, solid state, holographic computer. I believe that as a mirrored image, earth is a shadow, interactive to our frequency or choices, positive, and kind, or negative and harmful to others and nature. Their ying/yang or checkerboard floor of masonry, not ot mention Soloman's Temple.

I believe that the paradise or golden age they refer to, is our spiritual innate memories of Paradise, as Spirit, and strong yearnings to recreate this here. Though Saturn and the planets do not really carry the good connotations depicted in this, for they're very gnostic symbols, and related to human sacrifice, annanuki, summoned beings, there is more to this than just the planets and the EU universe. They're taking out REAL Spirit, and the polarities of such as well.

The interactive aspect of the universe, solar system and earth also means, that if something where coming our way, in a cycle or even a fluke event, its our state or grade of love and kindness to others, unwilling to walk by another in need, unwilling to go to war or carry out orders against civilians, unwilling to allow government and corporate policies to allow billions to live in abject poverty shut off from land and resources as is their birth right.
This changes everything. Grade 6 students in Love, don't get the same tests given them as primary grades do, in Love. Cataclysmic events seem related to karma, or law of consequence, or our state of being.

Anyone who has practiced cloud work, or even tried to picture parking spaces on a regular basis will find out within a short while, how there are no coincidences, and consciousness has a effect.

It is surprising how the Electric Universe, shapes in laboratories have duplicated the shapes found all over the world in the artifacts relating to each archetype used universally/globally. That is demonstrating something real is going on. So, while the golden age may not have been referring to earth here, it may have been referring to that which earth is a shadow of, the paradise we all lived in, before the testing.

I find the accounts of the planets, as they move interesting, for the solar system could be even likened to a clock, for that is time, our perception of rotation.

I even wonder if the planets needed to be close for all to see, since the history and myths may be unified, around the globe, but there is no real depiction of sociology of the people. how families lived, which is what interests me the most, the daily life of children. In Vedic accounts/India, they had descriptions of technology, that has been reconstructed and worked, including space observation technology.

So it seems to me, this is a bit of a fairy tale. What could be seen is observations of the solar system, through the technologies used, by the astronomers, who most likely in every age, were in employment of the kings, who were never good guys, more like bloodthirstly generals, ruthless. So religions or myths sprung up based on what they observed, at a distance from earth.

Thats my opinon on this. Things too close would naturally have put us in a constant state of earth changes.

So my theory is that there has been ages of technology as demonstrated by plumbing, toilets, electricity, pyramids, antigravity to move stones, flying devices, and science was not primitive in the past, the world was probably not isolated, kingdoms were connected, trade existed even to South America, and those beings, both spirits and corporal, in the universe played a big role.

From the beginning natural times, they found the stargate substances and ruthless leaders, contacted beings based on their frequency, so their archetype symbols throughout the world, always relate to a slight of hand being pulled over the people, to conduct ruthless false religions, to enhance negativity and make that synchronization occur between realms. We're spiritual beings in tests here. And those ETs, that wanted to interfere and help humanity, who was kept as slaves by this ruthless group, and the opposite, also created extra tensions. That is the real history. And astronomers, who used equipment for observation, and thus noted the plasmic electric exchanges between planets, and comets, etc, worked for the kings and the ruling heirarchy. Then the information would be Spun to fables for the people.

The point is, they were not unintelligent, their potential for intelligence and cunning was high, as they were eating whole nutrients, and the wealthy class always had abundance of vineyards, seafood, and all the things they needed for optimum health. IQ has been noted to be linked to living conditions, and raised 10 degrees every decade in the 20th century, due to improvements. So, I think its a lot darker than this, but I'm sure there were many astronomers who observed Electric disharges between heavenly bodies, and the resulting plasma shapes changed, in addition they probably noted alignments that created exchanges that gave world wide, these images and symbols that have been used by many different cultures separated from each other.

There are cycles we don't have evidence for, buried deep, wiped clean, and there is far more interaction and like now, agreements between rulers than disagreements, so that the symbol of Saturn, the big daddy, with venus, a star put within that circle, then mars, is not likely to be what people saw overhead close and in allignment like that, layered, but rather, always the twist of promoting the dark side as something its not, based on deep space, solar system observations with technology they possessed, world wide.

Even North American Natives have records numerously of information given by strangers, to them, at different times in history. So, its not quite what we think.

Slight of hand accounts for the way mythology and religions have been spun, spun with cunning intent, by ruthless people, who always claw their way to the top, and then encounter a strange gnostic religion connected to negatives, and fed distortions.

I'm going to quote myself.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

It just came to me very clearly, that its far more than that. These symbols, that have been put out and misinterpreted, spoon fed in false religions to the masses, are a real scientific body of information, put in plain sight for each generation of bloodline to pass on and decipher speaking of the discharges and plasmology of the electric universe and relating to CYCLES, and NWO.

This is their library. And they look for the signs coded in them, to prepare.

It all adds up, though again. Elenin is not necessarily the comet they will use, it could simply be a code for 9/11, and a distraction while they set up doing some other thing, such as a war, passing some worse legislation, and crashing the economy more.

Since they're depicting the Golden Age, as a time with planets close to earth in allignment and all sorts of interesting plasma shapes occurring due to the electrical discharge, I am assuming its all a code for: Cataclysm Cycles, and the New Age that must be prepared for, so NWO. That they are to look for signs, not in terms of years and dates, though they probably have rough estimates, but in terms of events. They are preparing based on signs given, and these are recorded in various shapes of plasma.

Obviously, Saturn, Venus and Mars play big roles in the signs to watch for and allignments.

reply to post by Unity_99


I've asked this in the past and no one has given me a response. If TPTB are going to use Elenin as an excuse for some false-flag operation, then shouldn't they actually be mentioning it in the media? The only ones paying any attention to this comet are amateur astronomers and conspiracy theorists. The only ones claiming this comet will cause any kind of catastrophe are conspiracy theorists. If TPTB were trying to use Elenin as a scapegoat they're certainly doing a poor job of informing the public of even its existence.

reply to post by Xcalibur254


unless something else shows up and then it can be said we THOUGHT IT WAS ELENIN? Sorry, maybe they cannot fully predict it themselves do to its moving behavior as it dashes and dips. My 3 cents

reply to post by Xcalibur254


If you read my post above about signs, put in libraries in archetypes, or repeated symbols around the planet, all symbolizing things that relate to allignments and plasma shapes changing, venus was a star, a hand, a cosmic flower of life, all based on interactions observed by astronomers working for the hierarchy. This is information on the real EU science, and signs for events to watch for to bring in their NWO, the so called Golden Age, is really showing alignments and electrical interchanges, so disaster and the new age.

Its all code.

So 1. with elenin, we don't know for sure the 9/11 is given as a sign to people , or given as a sign to the elite.

2... its put online. Have you not noticed they only give some information online, so that we have a choice. Its related to their gnostic knowledge of the school and free will. They have to put the truth out somewhere or they take away free will and could not achieve a negative harvest which is their spirituality via distortions.

So they are basically giving the few seeking for the truth a chance to prepare, as free will would cease to exist otherwise.

reply to post by Unity_99

Fiddlesticks. You have cherry-picked some of the more commonly-reported findings from a few NASA comet missions, all of which are perfectly explicable in normal physics, and concocted unnecessary electric-universe explanations for them. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of physics can point out howler after howler in what you have written. Maybe someone has had the patience to do so already; I’m not reading the whole thread to find out.

reply to post by Unity_99

Do you still believe that comets are dirty iceballs despite the findings of NASA's own studies?

People who study comets haven’t changed their minds, and NASA hasn’t either. What does that suggest to you? That they’re lying to you, I suppose.

Have you explored other models?

No. Why should I, when the current model is evidently correct?

And no, please don’t waste your time trying to explain to me why it is wrong. You simply don’t have the scientific knowledge to make a credible argument. Trust me on this.

Why are the findings that are so unexpected, exactly what EU theorists would have predicted to be found in comets?

Show us what EU ‘theorists’ predicted about comets. Just a reminder: anything written after the comet missions took place is not a prediction.

Do you reassess and revalue your paradigms when presented with evidence that is contrary?

I don’t think ‘paradigm’ means what you think it means.

If the current theory on comets is invalid...

...though it is not...

...and they're something else...

...though they are not...

...and can be explained best by the EU theories...

...which are not theories...

...and if this fits with the scalar technology...

...which they do not, because ‘scalar technology’ does not even exist (better look up ‘scalar’, too, while you still have that dictionary close at hand)...

...that Tesla himself, who set out to demonstrate the EU theory...

...which he never did...

...and was a believer...

...except that he lived and died before this EU nonsense was even invented...

...then why is there current applications of Telsa's technology used today, such as HAARP...

...except that HAARP isn’t anything to do with ‘Tesla’s technology’ at all...

...then WHY do you think we're being misled?

I don’t know. WHY do you insist on embracing unfounded, half-baked pseudoscientific narratives instead of real science? There wasn’t a word of truth in that whole farrago above.

In an EU universe, electrical comets can affect both planets and stars, do you wonder if we're being told all there is to the story?

We do not live in a purely electric universe. There is no ‘story’, only scientific conclusions based on publicly available evidence you can verify for yourself.

Do you think there is nothing to question or see, despite murals on airport and banks walls, and the symbology that is all around us, including on bank notes?

These are, frankly, insane claims, and other posters on this thread have debunked them. Your case is already dead in the water.

Do you accept the official story that Leo discovered this comet in 2010, roughly a decade after Leo discovers it in a movie, though with all the Infared equipment in space, they probably already saw this.

Yes, and with all the magnets in the world, finding needles in haystacks ought to be easy too.

Do you think it likely or unlikely that they already photographed this comet?

Possibly as a tiny smudge. What does it matter, anyway?

Do you think that currently, using the scalar technology that they would already have studied comets and be able to create their own effects that are similar?

There is – read my lips – no. such. thing. as. scalar. technology.

Do you trust the ones managing the world?

What the hell has this got to do with a comet?

Do you see references in the media, news stories, and articles that seem like spin, concerning economic crash downs, and see possible connections between events and subjects discussed from NASA to Fox News?

Ah, another consumer dimly perceives that the teat he’s sucking on may contain drugged milk. Again: what the hell has this got to do with a comet?

On second thoughts, don’t answer that. I think I can live without hearing another clueless conspiracy theory.

reply to post by Astyanax


NASA found the comets were such a mystery they did not follow their expectations. However, just prior to the Deep Impact Mission, the EU theorists, made predictions of what would happen and this is what occurred. The FACTS are that, have been displayed, so you must be experiencing some blocks in information, or for some unknown reason are unable to take it in.

reply to post by letscit

trust me, there is still much to discover. and much still unexplained.

Indeed there is.

For example, I would like to know why so many people reject verifiable fact to embrace doomsday fantasy so enthusiastically.

And I may be worse than you think; read my signature.

reply to post by Unity_99

NASA found the comets were such a mystery they did not follow their expectations.

Show us the links. Explain how the findings jeopardize the standard cometary model.

However, just prior to the Deep Impact Mission, the EU theorists, made predictions of what would happen and this is what occurred.

Citation needed. I asked you once already. Show us the predictions.

The FACTS are that, have been displayed, so you must be experiencing some blocks in information, or for some unknown reason are unable to take it in.

From my perspective, it looks as if it is you, not I, who is doing that. Enough vacant bluster. Post the predictions.

Anyone with the slightest knowledge of physics can point out howler after howler in what you have written.

Really ? I do have some, my friends have some too. No, we cannot point out. We are in doubt in fact, as well as NASA stuff - as they have much more data, they are really in trouble, as if thouse data would be useful to prove their thesis - they would be sumbitted, as they do not meet the theory of non-EM comets - they are simply junk.

If you wish to find out some link about the deep impact - do it yourself, google is your friend. It exists, and the information is very simple - they expected to find out rocks, not water, and they found what they expected.

Then they said "nothing here - move along" without any comments. Is it clear ?

reply to post by Unity_99


It certainly is strange that the reverse of the 50 swiss Francs banknote (I got one here in front of me)



depicts something that very oddly resembles Earth's magnetosphere
.

The official explanation for the design is that it is a reference to the artwork by the artist depicted on the front of the bill, Sophie Taeubler-Arp, but I can't see anything among the depicted artwork that gets even close to the image on the bill.

reply to post by sechmet

Really ? I do have some, my friends have some too. No, we cannot point out. We are in doubt in fact, as well as NASA stuff - as they have much more data, they are really in trouble, as if thouse data would be useful to prove their thesis - they would be sumbitted, as they do not meet the theory of non-EM comets - they are simply junk.

If you wish to find out some link about the deep impact - do it yourself, google is your friend. It exists, and the information is very simple - they expected to find out rocks, not water, and they found what they expected.

If you and your friends do have some knowledge, I propose that you re-read the findings that have resulted in your misinterpretation of NASA's conclusions:

In a paper appearing in Science Express on Feb. 2, 2006, an article by Sunshine et al. reports on the Deep Impact science team's finding of a small area of water ice on the surface of Tempel 1. This is the first time that water ice has been observed on the surface of a comet. Past efforts with the near-IR spectrometer on Deep Space 1 mission flying past comet Borrelly and from the ground of comets far from the sun and not enshrouded with coma, have yielded no evidence of water ice on their surface....

What is significant is that the extent of this ice on Tempel 1's surface is not sufficient to produce the observed abundance of water and its by-products in the comet's coma. The team thus concludes that there are sources of water from beneath the comet's surface that supply the cometary coma as well.

Also important is that the particle size of the water ice, is greater than the icy grains in the coma, and is probably recondensed onto the comet's surface. It is therefore probably not a primary block of cometary material which would be called a cometesimal.

NASA[Edit for brevity --DJW001]

In other words, they were surprised to discover water ice on the comet's surface This water is insufficient to account for the amount of water measured in the coma, proving that the bulk of the ice must be below the comet's surface. This is completely in line with the standard model. The silicates and tar forming the non-volatile portion of a comet are very porous, allowing the volatiles to outgass. The EU model simply cannot account for the presence of H2O observed in the coma without coming to the same conclusion. Advantage: standard model.

Originally posted by soleo
reply to post by Unity_99

 

It certainly is strange that the reverse of the 50 swiss Francs banknote (I got one here in front of me)



depicts something that very oddly resembles Earth's magnetosphere
.

The official explanation for the design is that it is a reference to the artwork by the artist depicted on the front of the bill, Sophie Taeubler-Arp, but I can't see anything among the depicted artwork that gets even close to the image on the bill.

edit on 26-7-2011 by soleo because: link did not show properly

edit on 26-7-2011 by soleo because: link does not show properly

edit on 26-7-2011 by soleo because: link does not show properly

Really? You can't find anything?

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/824ab857e9f4.jpg[/atsimg]
www.non-solo-arte.com...

The modernists were fascinated by science and technology. All of her works are suggestive of "scientific illustrations." And what does a Swiss bank note have to do with Comet C/2010X-1?

reply to post by DJW001


I was not referring to the colored spirals, but to the green background image that takes up most of the bill.

Threads have been posted on this before..
but you only need to look at the picture you post to discount it.
The entire orbit of the comet on the bill resides within our solar system (not all the planets are listed on the bill) therefore it isn't elenin (of course).