To Alien Skeptics: Tell us what it would take to convince you.

Originally posted by Troofseeker
I'm interested to learn what evidence of alien visitation to this planet would be sufficient enough to change a skeptic's mind. It's obviously-not weight of evidence, for

Yes, it is weight of evidence. There is very little credible evidence. Seeing something in the sky has nothing to do with aliens. That's an unjustifiable leap of faith. If you look at the "evidence" you range from blury photographs of aerial objects to people like Greer claiming he held an alien baby. Then there's Dr Kenneth Reed who put an alien in his refrigerator. Or John Lear claims the moon has an atmosphere. There may be some good stuff in the midst, but it's very difficult to tell with the prevalent fraud in this arena, Imbrogno being just the latest in a long line. There is a lot of self-promotion and intentional fraud in this area. The bottom line is that I think you are mis-representing the amount of evidence there really is.

Not that everything is intentional fraud. I've seen so many UFO pics (on ATS) that are obvious balloons and aircraft, birds and streetlights--a lot of common stuff. Every time someone sees a light in the sky and screams "UFO!" I think, "How can you possibly be so gullible?" It's a light in the sky. That's all.

Another question I'd like to ask the skeptics is this: If you don't believe in alien visitation to Earth, do you accept that there are very-probably millions of alien species out there, scattered throughout the universe? Or do you think we are alone?

Probably, yes. All evidence points to it and everything new we learn supports the idea--exo-planets, for example. That doesn't mean they're here. It's very unlikely we are alone. Why would you think skeptics believe this? It doesn't follow at all.

And lastly to the skeptics- do you believe in God? Do you go to church? Because to my mind, anyone who believes in God, by default believes in an omnipotent extra-terrestrial being with super-powers.

Good for your mind. No, I don't believe, though there might be a "May the Force be with you" kind of situation. I'm not in a position to know. Jesus is not my Savior. I don't spend much time worrying about this issue. I don't think the concept of "God" is a necessary part of this discussion. It does not add anything to it. You could have aliens on every planet of every star and still have no God, so why bring it up?

What would it take to convince you of alien visitation to this planet?

Anything I could see, whether a crashed saucer or an alien being. I'd be very happy also. That would be great! Bear in mind that a "crashed saucer" does not mean "aliens." If people I respect were to say they have seen same I would also tend to believe it. I don't have to see it myself.

I think you need a few take-aways from your thread. First, I've seen the same thread dozens of times. Your questions are not so much unique and insightful as they are on the naive and typical side. You offer absolutely nothing in the way of evidence; you just kind of assume the evidence is out there because there "is a lot of it." Secondly, critics, with a few exceptions, are not "against" alien visitations, UFOs, or even the paranormal. You don't need to look at critics as your enemy. They just see the evidence presented as extremely flimsy.

There's this extremely large assumption in your questions, and that is the very idea of "aliens," as in a species of intelligent being that is not from this earth. What is the real evidence for this? We have hypnotic regression, from Betty Hill to "Emma" and who claim or think or suspect they have been abducted and the "aliens" told them they were from the Pleiades or whatever. And we have the folks who've hopped a ride on a spaceship like Truman Bethurum and George Adamski who claim, as Bethurum did, that the planet Clarion is in the same orbit as Earth on the far side of the sun. When you take away that kind of "evidence" you are left with no more than assumption about where any legitimate UFO is from.

Originally posted by NowaiE
Skeptics will never believe it. Even if the US president told them in a personal interview.
They are just trying to deny it. instead of looking at it from a different perspective.

Depends on the circumstance. Is the President just saying "I had an alien abduction at night, and here's the event."

His circumstances, regardless of position, are the same as everyone else.

If he came to me and said, "Mike, I'm going to let you in on the secret. When I came to this office, I was given files revealing the existence of alien lifeforms."

I'd probably be inclined to believe him.

But him saying "yo, dude. This one time, when I was 18 I saw a UFO." it would have as little merit to me as any other "eye-witness" account.

If you're someone who is serious about finding real evidence then look no further than the Istanbul, Turkey UFO video and do some research into it and you'll find your proof.

Originally posted by SeriousIndividual
If you're someone who is serious about finding real evidence then look no further than the Istanbul, Turkey UFO video and do some research into it and you'll find your proof.

I assume this is a joke, right?

Nothing more to add. Apart from maybe try researching it yourself

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I'd suggest you have a look at Seth Shostak's recent book, "Confessions of an Alien Hunter," in which he discusses these topics. I don't think Shostak believes in any god(s), but this is a controversy he seems to prefer avoiding.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Simple, show me an Alien.

Cosmic...

Simple,

Though I did not see "it," when I took the picture. You could get a clue by watching: Space Alien Hiding Behind A Fossil Rock; on you tube. Picture taken by me in the summer of 1972.

Lower right hand part of photograph. If interested, check out my photo, of an unknown artist: Titled- Petroglyph Carving of a Space Alien. Same location, but 15 feet higher on the cliff, behind a monolith; approx: 2 years later.
These photo's, are some of my best shots at full ET disclosure.

Cheers,

Erno86

Originally posted by Erno86

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Simple, show me an Alien.

Cosmic...

Simple,

Though I did not see "it," when I took the picture. You could get a clue by watching: Space Alien Hiding Behind A Fossil Rock; on you tube. Picture taken by me in the summer of 1972.

Lower right hand part of photograph. If interested, check out my photo, of an unknown artist: Titled- Petroglyph Carving of a Space Alien. Same location, but 15 feet higher on the cliff, behind a monolith; approx: 2 years later.
These photo's, are some of my best shots at full ET disclosure.

Cheers,

Erno86

It's always amusing to see rocks with 'human like' features! And how do we find 'Petroglyph Carving of a Space Alien'. A link would be useful.

I know most of you will laugh if I say alien abduction, but take a look at this video.

Alien implants were found inside people, and after being tested by Los Alamos Labs, Univesity of Toronto, New Mexico Tech, University of California, Southwest Labs, York University, and Seal Laboratories all have confirmed that the isotopic ratios in these objects are not found on this earth.

This could be the physical evidence everyone has been looking for. Give it a chance

Link:
www.youtube.com...

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Oh, yeah. Roger Leir , the podiatrist, & Co. I've heard him numerous times. He has one book out with Whitley Strieber and a couple of others. The whole idea is alien abduction. This schtick has been ongoing for years. It sounds very good except for one thing:

Where are the reports from the labs? (See below)

I would be very willing to consider his stuff if he could explain it better. What I would like to have is the reports from all these labs. PDF would be fine. I'd like to know how they determined these "implants" are made from stuff that "is not found on earth." Then I'd like to interview the laboratory personnel themselves and go over the reports with them.

His website is right here and on it you can find a couple of PDFs from "A&S Labs" that look like an analysis of elements from some samples. There are no conclusions to these reports. They consist of listings of elements.

On his web site we find a post on an Italian woman impregnated by aliens, one on chemtrails, renderings of a Grey Alien, and an analysis of the Turkish UFOs. You can also donate to the cause.

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One other thing, is that one of the implants (that I know of) turned about to be a carbon/tunsten drill bit. Found in a construction worker, no less. Alien technology? Or misrepresenting the data perhaps.

That and the fact that he is obviously lying through his teeth...

Originally posted by King Triad
The debunkers on this site are so naive ..do you think the govt would tell you the truth?..lol trust me the govt believes in aliens..

For the record, it is not the "debunkers" who are demanding the government tell them the truth, it is not the debunkers who are relying on the government to confirm their beliefs.

Originally posted by WingedBull

Originally posted by King Triad
The debunkers on this site are so naive ..do you think the govt would tell you the truth?..lol trust me the govt believes in aliens..

For the record, it is not the "debunkers" who are demanding the government tell them the truth, it is not the debunkers who are relying on the government to confirm their beliefs.

Well stated. We scummy 'debunkers' and 'sceptics' will, for the most part, be led by evidence. We don't wait for someone to hold our hand through so-called disclosure.

PLEASE stop this anti-debunker nonesense. It's not befitting.

Originally posted by Erno86
Though I did not see "it," when I took the picture. You could get a clue by watching: Space Alien Hiding Behind A Fossil Rock; on you tube. Picture taken by me in the summer of 1972.

I looked it up. It is a 6 second video of a still picture. I didn't see a thing. Why don't you post the picture here with the alien highlighted.

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Heavens, don't leave me hanging!! -- are you going to give some detail? Or is there a thread in which you've done so that I can look at? I'm not a closed-minded person who insists on "photos", "Video", etc...
I WANT to hear people's stories, and (as I have discovered), I'm pretty easily persuaded. I also tend to take people at their word....
Please please, SHARE!!

Originally posted by Troofseeker
I'm interested to learn what evidence of alien visitation to this planet would be sufficient enough to change a skeptic's mind. It's obviously-not weight of evidence, for there are countless thousands of videos, pictures, and testimonies from laymen to experts, and yet the skeptics still brush it off.

I'm not a sceptic but... really, thousands of videos and pics for evidence? Those are evicence of UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS, not evidence of alien space craft.

It really is staggering how there are credible people telling us about alien visitations, when I've yet to come across solid evidence. There are only cases that remain mysteries, not cases proven to be evidence of aliens.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
It really amazes me how some of you are so willing to believe that we have been visited by Aliens.

Yes the Universe and indeed our own Galaxy very probably contains many species capable of varying degrees of technology, but...

The likelihood of them being able to survive our atmosphere, be it the gases or the pressure are extremely slim to none.

Secondly and perhaps more importantly, the likelihood of them being able to travel the extreme distances involved in interstellar travel are next to zero.

Is it any coincidence that Aliens and UFO arrived into our psychology just at the point in time that we are developing and researching certain technologies ? isn't it more likely that Aliens and UFO are a cover story for secret Human endeavors ?

Common sense and logic dictates that everything seen or witnessed since the beginning of the 20th century and certainly since ww2 is man-made in it's origins.

And as i said before, show me an Alien, you won't because you can't.

Cosmic...

Explain to me why so many astronauts,cosmonauts,military pilots, commercial pilots, astronomers,etc..
would lie about something that only makes there life extremely difficult to say the least ? please don't say money because 90 % of them never gained a dime.
why would so many military personal state that they were holding a life long secret and reveal what they saw, or were a part of, on there death beds, or after finding out that they are terminally ill ? I was in a serious accident were I was in the hospital for 3 weeks, and when you brush with death, you want to clear your soul/mind of any falsehoods or guilty acts that you carry.
I know from experience the last thing you want to do is tell the biggest lie you can ever think of.

As far as traveling distances, who's to say they have to travel anywhere ? there is new information coming out all the time about our understanding of time and space, gravity, the universe, dimensions etc.. is being seen in a new light were things that were thought impossible are possible.
If you took the eye witness accounts,video,photographs, trace evidence, into a court of law
the jury would deliberate for about 30 seconds and say proved beyond a reasonable doubt. I know our legal system is not flawless, but it is based on your own statement,common sense and logic.
Common sense suggest that there is something more than man made tech behind all these events.
What really bothers me the most is that most skeptics(not saying you are one them) are so self righteous. they don't believe anybody else's experiences can be real if they didn't witness or experience it themselves. What a paranoid, close minded, distrusting life they must lead.

Theres really nothing to convince me that their is life out there besides God and the Angels that are more intelligent than us humans. We were made in the most highs image.

There could be other life, but nothing more advanced and beautiful than us humans.

1 - Yes I do
Do I have evidence to prove it? no I don't.
Do I believe in these so called testimonies, images, videos, various disclosure-type projects .... etc ? F@#$ NO
Do I care about this subject ? hell no.

2 - F@#$ NO

3 - I dont know.

P.S. There are some people (more like a lot of them) just want to believe they are the center of the universe who never accept something different outside their box....let alone the possibility of someone superior to them by mean of technology and spiritually. Even if god come out of a portal in the sky...come down to Earth shake their hands and tell them he/she just like us 500,000 thousands years ago.....what happened is just a matter of evolution in the consciousness, technology and the like......they still wouldn't believe it...let alone talking about alien.

In short, they are hopeless, it is impossible to just open their mind to the possibility....talking about changing their perspective is out of the question.

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It seems to me if the aliens can travel light years to get here they would have made sure we have all of the proof we would need. That being said. we would have to assume that if they are here, they don't want us to know they are here. In turn this must mean they have made mistakes and have exposed themselves. This in its self is very ominous of their intentions. As far as life out in the great beyond, probably, however I don't think Drake's law is an accurate representation, variables to sketchy. I believe in the Easter bunny, what does that have to with any of this? The religious type will just say God created them also .

1. Testimonies from even the highest-ranking people in government mean nothing to me. Pictures mean very little to me. I would need good, clear video footage of something that is undeniably alien corroborated by multiple witnesses who are not annonymous. The footage would also have to be examined by a video expert and proven NOT to be doctored. Or I would need to see an alien corpse that has been proven to have unearthly DNA.

2. Yes, I believe we are alone.

3. Yes I believe in God and am a devout Catholic who attends church regularly. But that's besides the point. I believe in God because I believe the soul is eternal and I desire to have salvation. NOT believing in UFOs has no effect on my soul and its salvation.