My Compass Generator Concept Schematic

I'll make this brief. After watching several videos recently dealing with subtle energies and natural energy, I decided to try and design something that operates using naturally existing forces around us. Based on my understanding of this simple design, I am of the opinion that it would work, I am just unsure 100% on this so I thought I'd put it up here to get some feedback and opinions from others regarding it.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/0085438e38b0.jpg[/atsimg]

Please ignore my terrible handwriting and child-like schematics as they are very rough drawings to get across the general gist of my idea.

Had to resize the Schematic .. sorry about that.

It did crop your schematic... what exactly are you trying to do? That would be a great place to start so wee can give you targeted input on your idea

Originally posted by JaxCavalera
I'll make this brief. After watching several videos recently dealing with subtle energies and natural energy, I decided to try and design something that operates using naturally existing forces around us. Based on my understanding of this simple design, I am of the opinion that it would work, I am just unsure 100% on this so I thought I'd put it up here to get some feedback and opinions from others regarding it.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/c5d727d66760.png[/atsimg]

Please ignore my terrible handwriting and child-like schematics as they are very rough drawings to get across the general gist of my idea.

p.s. in the preview it's cropping my schematic.. not sure why but hopefully when I post, it won't be cropped.

EDIT


Looks like some sort of gyroscope ???
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edit on 9-7-2011 by JaxCavalera because: (no reason given)

I'm not sure of the strength of such a generator, I can only imagine it's power output would be initially fairly subtle but perhaps with a lot assembled together, the power output would become usable and it would be a naturally generated power source using the current pole shift to maintain motion of each magnet so they would never remain 100% stationary (be it they would be moving slowly but yeah they definitely wouldn't be stationary)

So the theory described roughly states that :

The Earth's Magnetic Pole is shifting at a rate of approx. 40 KM/Year

A Compass Point will always track North...

If you were able to obtain low friction rotational motion, (and the Bearing is only one means, I would assume that letting the magnet hang on a bearing system in the air would have less friction but for the concept's sake I am using a bearing to symbolise rotational motion.) there would be a constant steady motion of the magnet as it would be tracking this steady shift in pole direction.

By surrounding the "Compass Magnet" with copper windings, you would generate a very low voltage (but potentially high current) VA charge which combined with many of these would produce the usable quantity of energy that I am referring to in the opening paragraph of this reply post.

'You say (" they say") the N magnetic pole is moving 40km /year". (from its current location), so the compass will offset its position by x number of degrees "declination": exactly once.

Generating electricity takes a constant(or repetitve) movement between the conductor and the magnetic field. one movement (swing) will not induce a sustainable current.
Whenever you convert one form of energy to another: You always get out some what less than what you put in.So for a few degrees of movement you would not get much out.
Or perhaps I am not completely understanding your idea..

Ok, if I understand you right, you're trying to use the motion of the earth's magnetic poles to rotate your magnetic core. Here's the problem: the magnet won't rotate fast enough to generate any current.

To my understanding, the motion wouldn't be a once-off thing as the pole is shifting constantly, the motion won't be a large one but it would be a motion none-the-less that never stops. It may not be noticeable to the eye but it would definitely happen (if I understand how a compass works - as in the needle always points North, so if north is always moving the needle will also be moving to track it's location)

The bearing is just used to represent a circular rotation of the magnet as it would track the Earth's Magnetic North. I believe that you could use a form of buoyancy to reduce friction without the need for the Bearing.

The other purpose of the bearing was to ensure that the magnet would rotate around a singular axis which could be used as the central point for the surrounding copper windings (for the purpose of creating the current).

To my knowledge, the more windings, the stronger the current and the faster the motion, the higher the voltage. So this is why I predict you would be able to increase the windings to a point where the would still permit rotational movement and produce the maximum current possible before movement of the magnet would cease due to resistance from Eddy Currents.

So even if the maximum charge were something as low as say 0.001 Volts or as high as 0.01 Volts at a current of 0.01 to 0.1 Amperes. If you were to assemble enough together, you would be able to get a useful charge. Or so my limited understanding of this process theorises.

Originally posted by KnightwhosaysNi
Ok, if I understand you right, you're trying to use the motion of the earth's magnetic poles to rotate your magnetic core. Here's the problem: the magnet won't rotate fast enough to generate any current.

edit on 9-7-2011 by KnightwhosaysNi because: just because

edit on 9-7-2011 by KnightwhosaysNi because: technicality issue

I didn't think current was dependant upon speed, I know voltage is but I thought that as long as there is motion then electrons will move creating a charge.

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The 2 things you will need to consider the most when generating voltage and amps are both in regards to your coils. Length(or number of wraps) factors voltage, and guage factors current. Unless your apparatus is massive, you will need to increase your rotations in order to generate anything usable. The reason dams work is because they are huge. There is a fair amount of electricity generated because the coils are enormous, and so are the cores. That and they still rotate at reasonable speed. Your core needs to rotate at least 500rpm to generate 12 volts.

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Interesting, Thanks very much for this feedback. Based on what you have said, I take it that the thicker the wire used, the more Amperes and the thinner the gauge, the lower the Amperes. And if I get this right, wire gauge is reversed so the bigger the number, the thinner the wire and the lower the gauge number, the thicker the wire?

I'll take all this knowledge on board when I look into a new avenue of design.

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Yes, you've got it. Also, one more suggestion, as far as the core goes. If you can, use neodymium magnets. They're the strongest out there. That will improve your rpm noticeably over iron or cobalt. Even more so than magnetized carbon.

I'm glad to help Good luck on your project!

Here's you another idea, run a loop of wire about 1000 feet across, the more the better, the more turns the better. You'll be able to rectify a nice bit of power, several Watts at times, at least milliWatts most of the time, more at night, less during the day, from magnetospheric fluctuations.

Remember Art Bell's big loop antenna that was mysteriously generating power? That's what was happening. You won't power your house with it, but maybe a small light...

Thanks again for the further information, I have another schematic (below) that I am fairly certain would work but I do not have and probably never will have the resources to manufacture a prototype due to the high level of precision required for it to operate.

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I'll try to best explain how it works.

You have 2 axially polarised magnets evenly spaced apart from an Electromagnet. I don't think you could get more than 2 of these magnets per electromagnet due to physical magnetic field restrictions.

Basically, the Electromagnet is switched on causing both Permanent Magnets to flip around so as to align their poles to the EM (Electromagnet). During their swinging motion, a sensitive magnetic switch would need to be placed in proximity of both Permanent Magnets so as to detect the specific moment at which point the EM is turned off.

In doing this, both magnets rotate around using the gathered momentum from turning on the EM and switching it off again at that last possible second before motion would slow down as poles would align and come to a point of rest.

The squiggly line represents coils that would be used to of cause produce a charge and again, you would be able to assemble many of these together to produce more charge.

The reason why I do not have the ability to make this myself is I have a lack of fabrication hardware available to accurately position each element of the design in it's correct location to ensure optimum efficiency. You would need to be able to ensure that both Permanent Magnets were equal distance from the EM and also identical in magnetic properties, You would also need to ensure that the switches used were identical as well so as to maintain balance and perfect timing as this concept only works if everything is perfectly synchronised.

After the first revolution, an increase in momentum will be noticed and I speculate that you may even get "fly-wheel" spins from this type of set up, but even if you didn't, you are still getting the motion of 2 magnets from the same quantity of power required to initiate motion in 1 magnet.

I'm sure that you would be able to further develop this concept if you had the facilities to do so but as I do not, I haven't bothered to further perfect this generator concept but feel I may as well put it up here for the rest of ATS to take a look at and get their own ideas from it.

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You also have to think that both magnets attraction must be smaller than the momentum they get, otherwise they will remain pointing at each other and to the inactive electro magnet (if I understood it well).

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Exactly,, I don't think it'd be impossible to make but it would be a very precise construction. Thanks for adding that information to it as it was one thing that I hadn't remembered to include. I just hope that someone is luckier than me and has the means to actually construct such a device.