Without the Shedding of Blood there can be no Remission of Sin

reply to post by Icarus Rising

I was referring to this: . . .

Do you not realize it was a metaphor?
He already explained that it was not literal blood, right in his post.
So your answer is that you do not need to prove anything, including the premise that your god is better than their god?
Have you ever looked at the body count charts that get posted quite often on this forum?

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
reply to post by Inquisitive1

 

1. You are entitled to your beliefs.2. The Word is truly sealed to unbelievers.3. I'm not trying to convert you. 4.Everyone has to decide for themselves what they are going to do with Jesus. 4.The only unforgiveable sin is rejecting Him completely.

I added some numbers to point to what I am commenting on.
1. Do you mean, "as long as you understand you will burn in Hell forever, for having those beliefs."?
2. Satan does not want for people to understand, We are supposed to make those things understandable so they can believe, not just point out that they are hopelessly lost.
3. You have no soul converting message.
4. You do not allow Jesus to be presented as a distinct concept to be examined and accepted or rejected because of all the qualifications thrown in around him referring back to an old religion and past concepts of god.
5. The Holy Spirit is the one who Jesus Christ has sent into the world to enter into the hearts of men so they can hope and strive to grow in their pursuit of being good to their fellow persons who we have to live with every day.
Rejecting that spirit is the unforgivable sin. Misquoting scripture is something one could be forgiven of, if that one was to repent of such practices.

The living God is not a God that seeks to be appeased with blood; this is the guile of the despicable spirit, which rules religiosity today; hence you find nothing but confusion between the various religions.

As you were told in The Acts of John, Jesus said to the desciples, "As you do this dance with me, perceive what I do: for this passion of the human/primate, which I am about to suffer, is for you. For you could not at all have understood what you suffer if I had not been sent to thee, as the word of the Father. You that saw what I suffer saw me as suffering; and seeing it you did not abide, but were wholly moved, moved to make wise. You have me as a bed, rest upon me. Who I am, thou shall know when I depart. What now I am seen to be, that I am not: you shall see when you come. If you had known how to suffer, you would have been able not to suffer. Learn to suffer (do not cater to the flesh, which is a corpse), and you shall be able not to suffer."

The wooden cross, which you idolize as the passion of Christ, and ignorantly bow to, is not what you suppose it is; it is the light/enlightenment of the cross that is significant: for the signification of the cross is the separation of those things which are of heaven from those things which are of the world. The true meaning of the cross is lost in the prejudice of the Roman church trying to justify itself, not understanding the Word of God, nor does it understand the signification of Christ whom it claims to worship as Savior.

Perceive this, Around the cross are a multitude with varying forms; but those within the cross are of the same form and likeness: though the trueness/fullness of this form is yet to manifest; and above the cross is the Spirit of the Son, the glorified Son of God, the only begotten Light of the Father, whose divine light illuminates the cross. And until those that are of varying forms take on the form and likeness of those in the cross, the body is incomplete: therefore the reconciliation of the body into a whole is committed unto the Son of man; and that which needs to be done shall be done, that all may be brought in, and be conformed to the begotten Light of God.

When you come to know who you trully are, you will become amazed at how such richness/magnificense was placed in such poverty. And if you think Jesus had to shed blood to appease God on your behalf, you know not what God you serve, neither do you know the Christ in whom is your faith. Seek the truth, and you will understand his death and resurrection; and his return: for its not what you think. As he said to you, "Let not he that seeks stop seeking, until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled: and if he should be troubled, he will become amazed, and he will become king over the all." And discern the Parable of the tares in Matthew 13.

If you seek to learn more, you will find enlightenment on this thread: Revelations: the secret of life, as revealed to John by the only-begotten Light

Peace be with you!!!

reply to post by jmdewey60


I'm happy for you. This thread is not an attempt to present the Gospel or bring anyone to Jesus. But thanks for schooling me on how it is done,

Btw, the Holy Spirit only comes to those who accept Jesus as Lord and believe that God raised Him from the dead. (Romans 10:9) Rejecting Jesus means no Holy Spirit. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the same thing as rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

I appreciate you making me and this thread your project for the day. You haven't really contributed anything on topic of note since your first response about the Jack-o-lanterns. The rest of your responses to me have been hair-splitting potshots at my posts to others. I know its true that Christians shoot their wounded and the greatest threat to the Church is from within. Try not to make it so obvious, will you?

reply to post by Icarus Rising

. . .hair-splitting potshots at my posts to others.

Because you are taking pot-shots at others who are asking you for some sort of information.
You come off as being a bit contradictory, where you claim you are not trying to bring anyone to Jesus but then seem to be concerned that I may be hampering that very thing.

reply to post by Olise


Christ knew he had to die on the cross to fulfill God's will. "Not My will but Yours be done." (Luke 22:42)

The fact is, Jesus did shed His blood at the Cross. He went there to defeat sin and death. He did it for me and everyone else. The Old Testament places great emphasis on the blood of a sacrifice, as I have already shown. If Christ had not shed His blood on the Cross and died, so He could be Resurrected to eternal life, none of our sins would be forgiven. His blood isn't all there is to it, but it is significant, especially to the Jews and their sacrificial system.

Blood of Jesus - What does it mean?
The blood of Jesus is the foundation of redemption. Jesus Christ died on the cross, shedding His blood, (and was then resurrected) as the only acceptable payment for our sins. The disciple Peter wrote in 1 Peter 1:18-19, “For you know that God paid a ransom to save you from the empty life you inherited from your ancestors. And the ransom he paid was not mere gold or silver. He paid for you with the precious lifeblood of Christ, the sinless, spotless Lamb of God.” The Blood of Jesus Christ is absolutely the most precious thing God has offered us.

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Again this is off topic, but you did address my question in the first part of your post and I thank you for your contribution. I am familiar with the Parable of the Tares and aware that judgement will start with the Church.

reply to post by Icarus Rising

. . .Rejecting Jesus means no Holy Spirit. Blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the same thing as rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

Interesting you just cite the verse (Romans 10:9) without quoting it. Could it be that the verse does not address the issue?
You are making speculations here. Are you comfortable in assuming that everyone who does not agree with you could never possibly arrive at a place where God is guiding them to? If you think that they could, don't you think it would be a result of the workings of the Holy Spirit? You seem to be happy to pull the rug out from others as quickly as possible. I would not be so quick to leave people in a state of hopelessness concerning their future hope. Now some people may have this idea that following Jesus means trying to be like him in imitating the qualities which he exhibited in things like having compassion on people who were declared to be unclean on account of their physical disabilities. Jesus was a heretic in believing such people could be saved and that they were not blind or lame as a sign of their sinfulness.

reply to post by jmdewey60


I'm not concerned that you are hampering anything but my effort to focus on the topic of my thread. No disrespect intended, but is English your first language? You seem to be misunderstanding some of the idioms I am using.

reply to post by jmdewey60


The verse says "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." in the NIV. What does it mean to be saved? It means the Holy Spirit takes up residence inside of you and the process of sanctification begins.

I probably won't say things just the way you want me to or think I should. Do you believe it is issues of personal preference that cause most divisions within the Church?

reply to post by Icarus Rising
Your thread was moved off wherever it was and put here, probably because of the preachyness of it. You could have, once you noticed that move, abandoned the thread seeing the people here are not so interested in the conspiracy aspect and more about the religion part. I cant help that and I don't think I ruined your thread. Next time you start a thread in the conspiracy forum, leave out the preaching.

reply to post by jmdewey60


You are making a lot of assumptions about me that are just flat out wrong. It isn't the healthy that need a physician, but the sick. I am not trying to pull the rug out from under anyone. Yet I am sure you are familair with Hebrews 4:12? Proverbs 8:36?

Again, it seems there is something about the the words I am using that is being lost in translation. Either that or you have set yourself up as an adversary to me and are content to knit pick.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

The verse says "If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." in the NIV. What does it mean to be saved? It means the Holy Spirit takes up residence inside of you and the process of sanctification begins.

I probably won't say things just the way you want me to or think I should. Do you believe it is issues of personal preference that cause most divisions within the Church?

You are creating a cause and affect sequence or some logic to arrive at your conclusion. So this is your interpretation. My thing is that too many people present their opinions as if they were fact and that anyone who disagrees is therefore evil.
Division comes from pride. Making demands of others which makes faith turn away from God and onto themselves as the object of faith.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Thanks for your opinion. I will try to be more conspiratorial in the future, although I feel I did a passable job of presenting a conspiracy with this thread. Oh yeah, I left out Psalm 1 in my last response.

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
reply to post by jmdewey60

 

You are making a lot of assumptions about me that are just flat out wrong. It isn't the healthy that need a physician, but the sick. I am not trying to pull the rug out from under anyone. Yet I am sure you are familair with Hebrews 4:12? Proverbs 8:36?

Again, it seems there is something about the the words I am using that is being lost in translation. Either that or you have set yourself up as an adversary to me and are content to knit pick.

If you have it set in your mind that there is no possibility that you could be wrong, any criticism will seem to you as knit-picking.
I don't know you and there is nothing personal, I am just reading your post and making an assessment of that. I don't have a way to judge your intention and that may be fine but I do not feel comfortable letting things pass that are glaring problems.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Pride leads us to put our preferences before those of others. That's what leads to division. Pride leads us to think we know everything and no one else can be right unless they agree with us, or say things just the way we want them too.

I am not setting anything up to endorse a foregone conclusion. I am trying to figure out why it seems to me I am being misinterpreted by you.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Glaring problems to you are misinterpretations of my meaning to me. I am content to let God be the judge. Have a nice evening.

Originally posted by traditionaldrummer

Originally posted by Icarus Rising
Now I have been told from the pulpit at the Baptist church I attend that there is no remission of sin without the shedding of blood. As a Christian, I believe the innocent blood of Christ fulfilled that requirement once for all, the just for the unjust.

Why though? How does that work?

God doesn't like some things we do, calls them sins, and dislikes them so much he wants to kill us all. But, you can make it up to him if you satisfy his bloodlust.

Yes, that is why we have wars so often.
God gets really thirsty for that red stuff and the energy in it.
It sustains him.
Without it he would fade away.

reply to post by OhZone


The point of my comment was blood sacrifice is no longer necessary because Christ fulfilled the Law with His propitiatory death on the Cross. Not that it has stopped, but through Christ there is no longer any need for it.

reply to post by Icarus Rising


Unless your taking these from the Codex Sinaiticus you might want to check your translations and underwriting,

and on a side note does this mean women repent every 28 days?

reply to post by Icarus Rising


Very interesting. I'll have to read into this.

Remember the Sun King in Pagan rites? He is slain a year and a day after his "coronation" to make the Goddess fertile for the harvest.

"All Gods are one God, all goddesses are one Goddess but there is one Initiator"

thanks for such an interesting post.

I've always said to Christians (non gnostics...I'm a former "Babdist" ) that there is far more "pagan" in the religion than just a "tree". I've had anything from a very lively and enjoyable conversation to promises that my "heresy" would garner a place in hell. I answer "I'll keep a seat warm for ya "

Like anything, you have ones that are "enlightened" enough to see truth backed by history (or at least just listen) and not be threatened and others that are terrified of anything that threats status quo.

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