41.7% of all americans dont pay income taxes!

Thats right, 41% of americans filing dont pay income taxes

www.zerohedge.com...

Take a look at the graph above. these number were pulled from the irs.gov web site. please look at the small print at the bottom.

So if you want to "fix" american i would have to think everyone should "have some skin in the game"

So if the we taxed the 41% of americans at 10%, assuming they make 40k a year.

41% of americas comes out to 127,100,000 people. 127,100,000 x 10% of 40k = $508,400,000,000.

So yes. obama should raise taxes. raise taxes on those who dont pay so they can have "some skin in the game" Thats 500 billion dollers he can use to help fill in the debt hole. all in a days work.

have those who dont pay taxes start paying!

How exactly do you pay no income tax?

They take it from you before you ever see your wages.

Even with dependents and a home you dont get it all back.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
How exactly do you pay no income tax?

They take it from you before you ever see your wages.

Even with dependents and a home you dont get it all back.

well im just making a point that 41% who file dont pay income taxes. I dont know how they do it but they do. This comes from the IRS

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
How exactly do you pay no income tax?

They take it from you before you ever see your wages.

Even with dependents and a home you dont get it all back.

Sorry my friend, but you are wrong. Many people not only get everything back that they "paid in", but they get extra money like from the EIC credit among other sources. Liberals will never admit it. They try to play word games with you. But the truth is the truth. Almost half of Americans pay no taxes.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

well im just making a point that 41% who file dont pay income taxes. I dont know how they do it but they do. This is strate from the IRS

It's important to know how they do it. If it's because 41% of the employed population doesnt earn enough to be in even the lowest bracket that's a problem unto itself that negates the simple "make them pay" plan.

You use $40K as an example. Well, that's not very likely. If these people arent even in the lowest bracket we're talking about $10-$20K earners. You really want to tax them more? If you wanted to could you really get blood from that dry a stone?

When it's stolen from our wages like it is I have a very hard time believing 40+% of wager earners arent paying a dime while they are still capable to pay a dime.

More likely the gov is factoring in all of it's entitlement programs as positive earnings for that 40+% which apparently cost the government more than that 40+% is paying in.

If that is the case then it's the governments own fault.

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Then I must be a complete sucker or I need to pop out a few more hungry mouths because I pay every year and I barely break $25K in earnings.

Going further I dont know a soul, not one friend not one co-worker not one family member, who comes out ahead on April 15th.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by camaro68ss

well im just making a point that 41% who file dont pay income taxes. I dont know how they do it but they do. This is strate from the IRS

It's important to know how they do it. If it's because 41% of the employed population doesnt earn enough to be in even the lowest bracket that's a problem unto itself that negates the simple "make them pay" plan.

You use $40K as an example. Well, that's not very likely. If these people arent even in the lowest bracket we're talking about $10-$20K earners. You really want to tax them more? If you wanted to could you really get blood from that dry a stone?

When it's stolen from our wages like it is I have a very hard time believing 40+% of wager earners arent paying a dime while they are still capable to pay a dime.

More likely the gov is factoring in all of it's entitlement programs as positive earnings for that 40+% which apparently cost the government more than that 40+% is paying in.

If that is the case then it's the governments own fault.

well heck lets use those number too 20k-30k. your still going to bring in hundreds of billions in taxes at 10%.

Im just saying if these people vote and bring change to our country, dont you think they should be paying into as well, maybe they will stop voting in all these crazy spending/ handout congressmen once they see there money being taken away like the rest of us.

Grossed just under $200k by the time the dust settled Ipaid about $22k in the local ,state, and the feds.n Get a good tak person and switch them every couple of years. Tax clubs help guide you to them. Different accountants different deductions keep rotating.

25K is above the poverty line.....i think....those people who work minimum and part time wages get much less than 25K more like half that.....say 12 K or less...
they contribute just by working for gods sake....
Its very disheartening to work for just food and a place to stay.....but many do.

Neither did GE. I think those percentages are off and I'm convinced Zerohedge is disinfo. The Government collects too much anyways and they are too big. Peace out.

I wonder if homeless people are included in the graph?

Originally posted by cluckerspud
I wonder if homeless people are included in the graph?

I know my OP is ridicules. Im just making a point that not everyone pays into the system yet I bet you those 41% take away from the system. What happens when we reach 51%??

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Maybe it's including, say, teenagers fresh out of Highschool who borrow money from their parents to make purchases and don't pay taxes?

I don't know, seems like you're just making assumptions and throwing out ridiculous ideas without thinking this through.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
How exactly do you pay no income tax?

They take it from you before you ever see your wages.

Even with dependents and a home you dont get it all back.

Wrong. Self employed individuals pay their own income tax.

Self employed file income tax form 1099, report their earnings and pay quarterly or at the end of the year.

The only wages that get their income garnished for taxes before receiving their paycheck are those that work for a company that uses the W2 form. These are usually the corporate/commercial businesses.

Example, you are a carpenter that gets paid by the week either cash or company check. Most of these people are paid cash and don't report their income. Even if the employer is reporting what they paid you, that doesn't necessarily mean you are holding up your end of the bargain and reporting your income to pay taxes out of it.

Same with hairdressers, waiter/waitresses, people that work off of commission, and anyone who considers themselves self-employed or contract laborer.

Just a guess, but this would probably account for at least 40 percent of the work population in America.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
What happens when we reach 51%??

The socialists win? The rest of us leave or just drop out of the system altogether?

I have found in the past 10 years or so whenever a politician is trolling for votes, he or she offers "tax breaks" to low income earners. It's an easy, lazy way to get votes (much like investing in education by throwing more money at it) If you disagree with them, then "you don't care about the poor."

The problem is, the cumulative debt problem is getting out of control. If I was the President, I would instill a 5% goods and services tax, increase the tax on cigs and booze, and require a nominal amount to be paid by everyone. That way,everyone pays based on their earnings.

I believe that Hong Kong has had a flat 15% tax for years (or something like that), and they get more revenue with less black market activity. Everyone should pay something. We have let politics get in front of equity and common sense.

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Perhaps.

But:

According to data from the U.S. Department of Labor, the number of Americans who are self-employed hit its lowest level in eight years in August. Individuals working for themselves dropped 13 percent last month to 8.7 million - down 7.2 percent from the beginning of the recession. link

Even if there was rampant lying to the DOL that's still a hair shy of 40%.

I bet 20% of that number comes from illegals since they don't pay crap. 10% comes from the Wall Street Bankers and their cronies.

How bought you take your unconstitutional income tax and stick it where the sun don't shine....

Personally if Americans had a big set of brass nuts they should collaborate together to file exempt from income tax and bring down the military industrial complex ....

People seem to forget THE STATES have all the power.. But we let the FED dictate our lives to us and bleed us dry

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by cluckerspud
I wonder if homeless people are included in the graph?

I know my OP is ridicules. Im just making a point that not everyone pays into the system yet I bet you those 41% take away from the system. What happens when we reach 51%??

edit on 7-7-2011 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

I wasn't trying to be smug or rude. Sorry. I should have elaborated a bit. But what I mean is. How many homeless people are there? How many of them were registered member of our society at some point. I would think that some of the people who are not claiming is because they slipped out of the system with their lifestyle, yet they are numbers on a paper somewhere, right?