The British Conspiracy that has it ALL...... Phone Hacking, Corporations, Police Collusion.........

reply to post by PurpleDog UK


One thing I have noticed is how passionless our politicians are.

Can you imagine how politicians of the stamp of Tam Dalyell, Michael Heseltine, Norman Tebbitt, Tony Benn etc would have reacted under such circumstances.
They would have tore their opposite numbers apart limb from limb with indignant rage.

Instead we have Cameron wriggling like the worm he is, Clegg like a nodding lap dog and Milliband about as threatening and aggressive as a toothless guinea pig...absolutely pathetic.

Cameron knows he's been caught out but he knows if he says nothing more than the usual political rhetoric and spiel he get away with it.
Clegg daren't say anything to upset Cameron and risk losing what little influence he has.
And Milliand daren't say too much because he knows Blair had just as incestuous and unethical relationship as Cameron.

The only recent PM who did not have such a close relationship with News International, the police and the old boy network was Brown and look how he was targetted and ridiculed by all concerned.
With hindsight Brown never really stood a chance.

reply to post by Freeborn


OT, but Brown never deserved a chance. He's a megalomaniac too. Made deals etc to ensure he got a chance in No 10 and then didn't have the guts to call an election when he should have. From that moment his fate was sealed. You might also remember how his communication/spin team regularly briefed against his own ministers.

But on the other point I totally agree. Politicians today are something special lol. A very rare breed. And they think that people don't notice and apathy is because we are all so happy and well off, ha.

I just don't like to see people feeling sorry for Brown. You have no need to lol.

reply to post by DSSONE


Oh, I don't doubt Brown's incompetence and unsuitability to the PM's job, but he was never going to be given a chance by those who it now seems had the power to make or break him.

However, I do have considerable sympathy for him over the way Rebekah Brooks Sun intruded upon his private life and published details of his son's illness.
There can be no condoning that.

Today's politicians have little, if any, personal conviction, and are carear politicians only interested in personal advancement and gain.

Originally posted by Freeborn
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Oh, I don't doubt Brown's incompetence and unsuitability to the PM's job, but he was never going to be given a chance by those who it now seems had the power to make or break him.

However, I do have considerable sympathy for him over the way Rebekah Brooks Sun intruded upon his private life and published details of his son's illness.
There can be no condoning that.

Today's politicians have little, if any, personal conviction, and are carear politicians only interested in personal advancement and gain.

Yeah, you are right. I am not condoning accessing personal medical records etc. I must remember to be more careful with what I write. You have made the point well though, I totally agree with you.

reply to post by Freeborn

One thing I have noticed is how passionless our politicians are.

IMHO... That is an understatement...

These guys remind more of fearful middle management suck ups who are scared of their own shadow and lack the kind of conviction or direction required to run a country or be in opposition.. each could do a U turn on a penny if it meant covering their own arses..

But I think it is the lack of direction that worries me most since that could (and most probably will) get us into all sorts of trouble... and On this issue I have no confidence there is any intention to get to the bottom of this or root out the problem or do any of the things that need doing to resolve to problem..

Politicians used to be driven by the need to do good in their community, now they are driven by personal gain.

I urge everyone to watch the Adam Curtis documentary : The Power of Nightmares.

Brown accuses News International of using criminals

The Beeb are really sticking the boot in.

Keep up the good work, it may only have 10 pages but this is probably the most important thread I have read on ATS.

reply to post by Knobby


I like how it is now "News International" and not just "News of the World" I suspect it'll be "News Corp" next.. this is getting bigger by the day... someone/some group is going for the jugular on this one and giving everyone else the chance to put the boot in.. which I am sure they are doing gleefully..

reply to post by thoughtsfull

someone/some group is going for the jugular on this one and giving everyone else the chance to put the boot in.. which I am sure they are doing gleefully..

But who is the group behind it all and why?
Do they seek the destruction and humiliation of News International and those allied to it or do they seek to rein the media in and impose a government appointed regulatory body thus seriously imposing on press independance and impartiality?
Or is there some other hidden agenda yet to be revealed?
And regardless of motive this group must be very powerful and influential themselves if they are confident enough to take on Murdoch and his empire and all those associated with this case.

And those you would expect to be 'putting the boot in' appear to be running scared themselves and seem to be merely going through the motions as that's what's expected of them.

As has been said before I think we have barely scratched the surface and if the whole truth about the dealings of these people comes to light we will see just how amoral and corrupt these people are and the depths of their insiduous and incestuous relationship.

I know I am repeatedly wondering about just who is behind this but I think in the grander scheme of things that is most important and will tell us just who is the grand puppeteer and what the end goal is.

If I'm being a bore or rambling please tell me to shut up!

reply to post by Freeborn


I would hope that it is only a matter of time before we all find out.

I suspect though, that something will happen over the next few weeks that will divert the attention from this or there will be a press black out. This might turn out similar to the banking crisis though with the way it is being handled, ie, pin it on a scapegoat and everyone else runs off. The current questions in the Home Affairs Committee meeting going on right now sound like they are trying to pin this on someone.

Live coverage of Home Affairs Committee questions

Just my thoughts.

Yep, knew it.

They just asked John Yates (Assistant Commissioner) if he thinks he should resign.

Looks like they have their man when it comes to the police.

Just need someone from the media now and they can shut it up.

I might be wrong but if I were a betting man I would bet that three people will take the flak for this, im not 100% sure which ones but I think it will be along the lines of the police, media and a politician.

Originally posted by Freeborn

If I'm being a bore or rambling please tell me to shut up!

oh no, please don't!
i've just dusted off a bag of corn kernels ready to pop :>

i too have been wondering why this is all coming out now, there must be some very twitchy 'derrieres' around westminster and the met around now..i wonder if murdoch updates his memoires on a daily basis.

do you really think that there is some body/entity directing all this? if so who?
normally it would reek of mandleson, but that would surely be a foot bullet.
phil the greek? he has the clout and is said to hate murdoch.

maybe the tower of sleaze and corruption has merely become too top-heavy, wouldn't it be nice if the tide were beginning to turn.

whatever the case, the entire social structure of this country seem to be expressing its revoltion for warrantless intrusions into a persons privacy....i wonder if this hubris will last long enough to scotch the encroachments on our civil liberties.

reply to post by Freeborn

If I'm being a bore or rambling please tell me to shut up!

Certainly not... carry on you make some really good points.. your especially spot on in regard to the actual lack of conviction in the kickin's going on. hadn't spotted that and now you've pointed it out it brings a whole host of questions... thanks

reply to post by auraura


I think as various people have intimated within this thread that Vince Cable may well be involved in this.

He has stated that he will pick his fights and that he is involved in 'all out war' with Murdoch.
He is very well respected and connected, is very shrewd and intelligent and knows the value of fighting from the inside.
Prior to taking his place in the current cabinet he was one of the few modern politicians with integrity and was respected by business, the establishment and the man in the street.
His reputation took a bit of a beating over student fees, university charges etc.
He will be keen to regain some of his credebility and respect.

I have absolutely no idea who he might be allied with, (I very much one individual alone could orchestrate this), but I am absolutely certain they will be powerful and influential.

I also think it could indicate a division and conflict withi TPTB.

And of course I could be well wide of the mark

reply to post by auraura


I think you make a good point about the Royal family. I imagine they are not a family you want to piss off. If you had enough power and found out News International was hacking your families phone, then no doubt you would want to take revenge.

Also, I dont know how powerful Mandelson is, he is a regular Bilderberger, but he also said he would take down NI
www.guardian.co.uk...
playpolitical.typepad.com... wade.html

I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by these goings on. I'd have thought most 'conspiracy theorists' all ready assumed this is how the world works anyway.

The web of corruption which is now emerging is rife and sickening. Our government, media, top-level police force and security services are totally riddled with it - how shameful

When heads have rolled and all the dust has settled, I for one am not stupid enough to think anything will change. The filthy, distasteful corruption will still be there as it was before, just different faces perpetrating it.

Politics isn't politics anymore - media isn't media - top-level police and security services are crooks. All are sly, untrustworthy and beneath contempt. It's all about lies, deceit, money, power, and personal gain.

With criminals like these in charge of things, is there any wonder our world is such a hell-hole?

Originally posted by Robert Reynolds
I'm not sure why anyone is surprised by these goings on. I'd have thought most 'conspiracy theorists' all ready assumed this is how the world works anyway.

edit on 12-7-2011 by Robert Reynolds because: (no reason given)

I don't think that anyone here on these boards is particularly shocked at the methods used per se. The surprise arises from the fact that someone or some group seems intent on exposing these methods and the corruption, and bringing it to wider attention. And we are still struggling to determine who is actually behind this, and their reason for it.

Ideally, ethics would be the motivating factor in this. But can we be so sure.

am i the only who thinks nothing will come of this but just a nice distraction will be made. Or maybe this is the distraction.

Interestingly it seems to be having a direct impact on News Corp which is costing the Murdoch family billions.. so I am guessing if they have serious dirt they have been using behind the scenes then it won't be long before it is being thrown around publicly.

News Corp has announced plans to buy back $5bn (£3.2bn) of its shares in an attempt to halt the slide in value of Rupert Murdoch's media empire.

The growing phone hacking scandal has sent News Corp's shares down 13% since the story first broke. The share price collapse had wiped more than $5bn off the market value of News Corp. The drop was most painfully felt by the Murdoch family, which with a 39.7% shareholding, saw its paper fortune reduced by more than $2bn.

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