Everyone needs to watch this movie.... it is that important.

Anyone who truly believes we can continue on with our current obsession with economic growth is clearly deluded. Like the guy in the video says, nothing can keep growing forever, yet we slavishly try and maintain growth in all our economies. It relies on consumption, consumption of finite resources. We must find a better way based on the knowledge of the resources available.

The argument most people are making about how much oil is left is not what the debate should be. The question is should we continue to pump it out of the ground and burn it. No matter how much oil is left it is still a finite resource. Eventually it will run out whether it be in 10 years or 100. Look around and try to spot one thing in the room that oil DIDN'T play a part in? Everything either was manufactured with oil, by oil or was delivered to your community using oil. The convenience factor we are all used to is all contributed to oil.

Eventually when it runs out, the way of life we have become so accustomed to will collapse. How long will it take the world to switch over to renewable resources? Wind, Solar, Geothermal etc? What will power the billions of cars on the road? What will replace plastic? What will keep all the factories running? If anyone wants to wait until it is too late then feel free. Even if we all made a push to eliminate the entire world's dependency on oil starting today, I'd still bet that we'll run out of oil first or at least it will become too expensive to burn as leisurely as we do now.

I personally don't think we're running out of oil anytime soonl, I suspect we will eventually but I think a lot of the oil panic is artificial.. and when artificial panic happens, prices go up and profits increase..

Estimates I've seen go from the conservative figure of 1.2 trillion barrels remaining to a more optimistic estimate of 4.8 trillion .. in years I've seen it say from 40 to 120 years of oil left..

It's certainly an issue, but it's in my opinion, far more overstated than it needs to be at this time.. with current trends leaning towards new technologies I see us waining off oil for transportation far sooner than that .. which will drop the usage considerably.

Also consider that before peak oil hits the price will skyrocket.. free market will curb demand and force alternatives which right now there isn't much incentive to adopt... if big oil really thought there cash cow were running out I think things would be different.. they are enjoying the speculation and panic.. it means more money.

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exactly.. like the guy says in the video there's no longer any reason to debate the signs are all around it's happening right in front of our face. either we mature as a society or die. it's that simple. we either adapt or we don't. the choice is ours. i know i'll make it through, but the question you must ask yourselves is will you?

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Neither applies to me.

I took some of his thoughts and added them to a plethora of other sources to come out with a synthesis that best seems to work for myself.

Take care!

Originally posted by miniatus
I personally don't think we're running out of oi anytime soonl, I suspect we will eventually but I think a lot of the oil panic is artificial.. and when artificial panic happens, prices go up and profits increase..

why is this the only argument provided? get yourself non dependent on oil. get solar panels, get rain water systems go green, because if you do that this argument is invalid. stop depending on resources that are going to run out.

for goodness sake everything around the world is crying and screaming in your face. if we don't change we will eliminate ourselves. economies are collapsing, governments are falling. everything that this world holds dear to is going to ruins either you will be prepared and survive or you won't it is on YOU and nobody else.

this dude isn't selling a product he isn't saying buy this he isn't spreading fear. i'll even quote him near the end of the movie "#, how can you say there is no hope? Just change your mind, and start seeing how we see, and stop thinking like dinosaurs." your life and the lives of people you care about depend on how you handle this situation. we are going to evolve don't be on the bad side of Darwinism.

there is a ton of oil still. they could drill in the usa, but the rottschilds and rokefellas do not want to 'lower' their prices. if people knew you could get oil right here in the usa, prices would plummet.

the entire planet is fokked because of the scumbag 'globlasists' who perceive themselves to be 'in charge.'

So let me pose a question for everybody who thinks we have plenty of oil left...

Why are we messing with the Canadian Tar Sands??

To refine that oil, is almost insane...

To get 1 barrel of oil from it, It costs half a barrel of oil, and pollutes 4 barrels of water...

HELLO MCFLY ANYBODY HOME

EDIT: In addition to just Collapse to learn about resources... I also suggest Zeitgeist Addendum, Zeitgeist Moving Forward, and also END:CIV Resist or Die... All are free on youtube

I love the message in Zeitgeist... Technology is there to help humans out, so why not let technology do that? We have the resources available to make anything, why are resources being held back by peoples greed for money and power? The Machines/Technology could free humans from boring, socially pointless jobs and let us truly be free...

i thought i would add the update he has provided about a year after it happened proving once again that things he had predicted in the movie have already come true.



In case it doesn't show

the proof is in the putting man. if a man has said things with deadly accuracy for 30 years. idk i think it's worth a listen.. hell it makes sense. once you look the all the BS, and wipe it from your vision. you'll see the truth, and man its not doom and gloom. i found this video on here a couple a days ago, but think it's quite necessary here. because it is a message of hope.




Hinkel the Great Barbers Final Speech

peace and love

I'd like every one of you perpetuating the meaningless speculation:

" Ho, there's HUGE" reserves of petroleum untapped in the u.s!"

to please back that up with at least one number.

A Le Mond article:

The DoE April 2009 round-table, untitled “Meeting the Growing Demand for Liquid (fuels)“, was semi-public. Yet it remained unnoticed and unjustly, as it put forward forecasts that are far more pessimistic than any analysis the DoE has ever delivered.

Page 8 of the presentation document of the round-table, a graph shows that the DoE is expecting a decline of the total of all known sources of liquid fuels supplies after 2011.

The graph labels as “unidentified” the additional supply projects needed to fill in a gap that is expected to grow after 2011 between rising demand and decline of known sources of supply that the DoE supposes will start that year. The declining production foreseen by the DoE concerns the total of existing sources of liquid fuels plus the new production projects that are supposed to come on-stream before 2012.

The DoE predicts that the decline of identified sources of supply will be steady and sharp : - 2 percent a year, from 87 million barrels per day (Mbpd) in 2011 to just 80 Mbpd in 2015. At that time, the world demand for oil and other liquid fuels should have climbed up to 90 Mbpd, according to the presentation document.

“Unidentified” additional liquid fuels projects would therefore have to fill in a 10 Mbpd gap between supplies and demand within less than 5 years. 10 Mbpd is almost the equivalent of the oil production of Saudi Arabia, world top producer with 10.8 Mbpd.

more at the link
www.countercurrents.org...

World oil production will in no way meet the increasing demand. Especially As China nd India "come in to their own"as world economic powers.

It's not about" wringing the last drop out". When you spend a barrel of oil (energy) to get a barrel of oil out you are wasting your energy. Hydrogen is an "energy carrier" not a source as it takes energy to make it.

Originally posted by morder1
So let me pose a question for everybody who thinks we have plenty of oil left...

Why are we messing with the Canadian Tar Sands??

To refine that oil, is almost insane...

To get 1 barrel of oil from it, It costs half a barrel of oil, and pollutes 4 barrels of water...

HELLO MCFLY ANYBODY HOME

EDIT: In addition to just Collapse to learn about resources... I also suggest Zeitgeist Addendum, Zeitgeist Moving Forward, and also END:CIV Resist or Die... All are free on youtube

I love the message in Zeitgeist... Technology is there to help humans out, so why not let technology do that? We have the resources available to make anything, why are resources being held back by peoples greed for money and power? The Machines/Technology could free humans from boring, socially pointless jobs and let us truly be free...

edit on 5-7-2011 by morder1 because: (no reason given)

I'm not having a pass at you, but this kind of illustrates my point. Instead of peer-reviewed and trustworthy research we are given a list of videos to watch. Just because it's in a youtube video and its ideas go against the "grain" does not make it automatically correct.

I trust the scientists and geologists from around the world who have made it their life's work to study energy consumption and oil reserves more than I will any youtube video. I have actually seen the videos you recommend, while they raise valid points and help create awareness, they are NOT scientific fact. They are speculation and sensationalism for the most part.

Do we need to pursue alternative energy sources? Absolutely. Is our current level of consumption and pollution unacceptable? Indeed. Do I trust a handful of pseudo-experts over thousands of established and reputable scientists and geologists? Not a chance in hell.

If people believe that the entirety of our scientific minded populace is employed by some mythical cabal of evildoers then I would suggest READING and or getting out of the comic book mentality.

As someone mentioned earlier, the man in this particular video's credentials are non-existent. Furthermore, he IS collecting money. Generally a flag raising set of circumstances in and of themselves.

Like others said, believe what you want to believe. I'm inclined to believe that this guy is another sensationalist looking for a few dollars and his 15 minutes.

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OK... but what about all of the land that has vast amounts of oil reserves that has never been drilled? If we could get past all of the envrio-nazis we could at least prolong this for a couple hundred years or so, maybe longer.

Originally posted by posthuman
A summary for those of us at work?

We all rely on oil

It need not be the case if it werent for the Rockerfeller and Windsors

Of course, they will make TRILLIONS off this
Just like they made BILLIONS by funding both sides of World War 2

The British Royal family are the direct bloodline of the German Nazis (ask for proof, ill gladly show, i dont talk crap ) and they have access to technology (think its called zero point? some form of blue crystal) that means they dont rely on oil etc.

of course weve had electric cars, internet and mobile phones since ww2 times, but ONLY THE GOVERNMENT AND MILITARY AND ELITES USED THEM

Once they were cheap enough to roll out commercially, they did, and made a fat killing

A FAT KILLING - LITERALLY

Originally posted by stuncrazy
why is this the only argument provided? get yourself non dependent on oil. get solar panels, get rain water systems go green,

Panels are still quite expensive. Drop it to $5/ sq. m and we'll talk.

Originally posted by morder1
So let me pose a question for everybody who thinks we have plenty of oil left...

Why are we messing with the Canadian Tar Sands??

It's easier than drilling on a seabed?

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Easier should not equal unnecessary pollution and waste...

Your spending half a barrel of oil to produce 1 barrel... and also polluting 4 barrels of water at the same time and throwing it back into the rivers...

We are destroying our whole planet to keep up with this addiction to oil... Its worse than any crack or heroin addiction... Our children and their children will have no future if we keep it up

Originally posted by stuncrazy
this is not an if this is a when, and the when seems to be in a couple of years.

I didn't watch it yet, but if he really did say that it completely ruins his credibility. It implies that we will "hit the wall" at some point as if the oil supply will disappear overnight, and this is not at all what will happen. First we will reach a tipping point at which supply cannot keep up with demand. The obvious result of this to anyone who has ever taken high school level economics is that the price of oil will climb. As the price goes up, demand typically goes down as people make efforts to save energy (through higher mileage cars, etc.) If the demand still outstrips the supply, the price will just keep going up. When the price gets high enough, new technology that was previously not cost effective (such as solar & wind power, natural gas & electric cars, etc.) will become more viable and as people jump into the technologies, the technologies will become more mainstream. These technologies are already in place, they need no development at all. They're ready to use. The only thing preventing their widespread use is oil is TOO CHEAP. When oil is no longer the cheapest energy source in the world, it will be replaced. It's as simple as that.

Originally posted by stuncrazy
he also says it could take anywhere between 20 - 100 years before a civilized society will start. so prepare yourself and prepare those you care about because it just got real

We only need turn to Argentina, Iceland and Greece to see the folly of this statement. All have suffered complete economic collapse in recent years. However, all continued on as civilized societies.

Originally posted by stuncrazy
but the great thing about this movie is that it is not doom and gloom. he states their is a problem and provides a solution. and the solution is you. and what you must learn to do and prepare to do. be a simple person and don't panic.

He'd do well to heed his own advice. There is no reason to panic at all, because the BEST thing that could happen for the world as a whole is for the price of oil to continue to climb. It will make it more cost-effective for the world to ween itself off of fossil fuel and adopt new clean technologies.

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Humanity is open to suggestions. It's easy to sit back and pick apart anything, unless you have a better suggestion based in reality then exactly what are you contributing to the situation. WE ALL KNOW that oil is a finite and dirty resource. That's why there are tens of thousands of scientists looking for FEASIBLE alternatives. If you know something we don't then by all means please share.

Oil sands are safer and easier to extract oil from than drilling into the massive deposits under seabeds and mountain ranges.

We live in exciting times, things are going to change at a pace never seen before. Everyone sitting comfortably in the A/C in their chairs using the internet bitching about our current oil addiction are not special or enlightened human beings. They are rehashing problems that are and have been being dealt with. Short of a solution you are not educating anyone.

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Safer for whom exactly?

The only possible solution I would find feasible would be the zeitgeist movement... I sadly dont have any solution of my own, but I can still look at the truth into what is happening...

Like I mentioned, it is an addiction on this planet...

With your arguement it is like saying the lesser of 2 evils we pick... Tar sands isnt as dangerous(to... the workers, environment, greedy corporations?) As drilling miles under ground in the middle of the ocean or through the shale in mountains and fracking it... which would cause disasters such as gulf disaster of 2010, cause peoples tap water to become flammable and so on...

Why do we need to do either of those? Neither is good for long term sustainability on this planet... We have tons of alternate sources, geo thermal, wave, tidal, wind, solar...

Maybe if we stopped spending 1 trillion+ dollars a year on war, we could put it into those renewable sources and free ourselves from this addiction to consuming fossil fuels

People should become self sufficiant, make an effort to understand how to produce ther eown food etc... not because oil is going to run out but because theres no reason not too.. learn life skills... it makes you a better person.

I have close family in the Oil business, one is in Abu Dhabi, one deals with north sea oil in the uk,
there is still ALOT of oil left,

what needs to be understood is when they talk about oil rederves being low (othe rthan mostly being a lie) they are talking about grades of oil, some are easy to have ready to get onto the open market and thus have a higher profit, but others have to be worked more before they are what is purchased on the open market, these reserves however dont get used at the moment, what would be the point, the easier the money can be made the better, but even if the Class A oil does all dry up due to bad math from the folks working out consumption of the human race over the next few years, there is still class B and class C grades of oil, it WILL NOT run out in our life time or our childrens life time. it may get more expensive, but WILL NOT run out.

And as i said dont be a D**k just learn how to manage food yourself and stop moaning about prices of EVERYTHING and it will make you a better or at least more appreaciative person for the rest of the world.