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Originally posted by gift0fpr0phecy
Originally posted by anumohi
no terrorists are killing americans on our soil
So this list of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil or against Americans is a lie??
Originally posted by anumohi
and 911 is most definitively questionable to say the least..
...but the truth is, some terrorists killed a bunch of Americans on 9/11 right?
Originally posted by anumohi
wheres all the enemies???
I guess the people who killed around 3000 people on 9/11 are not enemies? Or how about the guys who killed my friend in Iraq? Or all the people who planned and or carried out attacks on U.S. soil, and against Americans, those are not enemies??
Originally posted by anumohi
how come they're not attacking???
They are... but because of the billions of dollars spent on intelligence and security and the military, you don't even get to see or know about a majority of the attacks and or attempted attacks. Most of them are stopped before they happen.
Originally posted by anumohi
if the gooberment couldn't stop 911 with all their fancy spies and technology what makes you think they could stop anyone now???
That is beyond flawed logic. Nothing and nobody is perfect.
Car alarms have been known to scare away thieves, but sometimes they don't. Does that mean car alarms never work because sometimes they do and sometimes they don't?
Originally posted by anumohi
you must be brainwashed to buy into all these"supposed" enemy scenarios, otherwise you wouldn't be debating the issue
...again with the insult.
There are no words to describe a mindset that believes America has no enemies, such as your mindset. If there were, it would be considered an insult, I am sure.edit on 27-6-2011 by gift0fpr0phecy because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by anumohi
our government killed all those people on 911... not some middle eastern jeehawdists
Originally posted by anumohi
binladen wasn't even charged with a crime let alone a parking ticket...
Originally posted by anumohi
FANTASY LAND
Originally posted by anumohi
quit buying into the propaganda and get on the side of the people...
Originally posted by anumohi
its the lie thats the enemy
So this list of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil or against Americans is a lie??
Originally posted by Zamini
The user asked for terrorist attacks on US soil - you know, the whole reason the TSA is being shoved down the throat of Americans. You posted war deaths. US soldiers being killed in Iraq and a horseback carriage stuffed with TNT in 1920. Excuse me while I let out a lol,
Originally posted by Zamini
You definitely do not come off as suspicious... Like lets say, someone who is here to manipulate opinions. Maybe someone who receives something in return for what you do.
Originally posted by jam321
IMO, if people quit flying, the airliners and their lobbyist would fight to change how TSA treats its customers.
I gave you a list that includes terrorist attacks on US soil, and off US soil. Excuse me while I let out an LOL because you don't know how to read.
Another insult (slightly veiled).... great...
Let's see how long your freedom lasts without a military... and or security...
Oh yeah, that's right, you wouldn't have any freedom if it wasn't for security... your enemies would own you.
2009 December 25: Nigerian citizen and self-described Al Qaeda member Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab allegedly attempted to blow up Northwest Airlines Flight 253 in flight over Detroit by igniting his underpants which were filled with the C-4 explosive PETN.[88][89] He has been indicted in a U.S. federal court; charges include the attempted murder of 289 people
I seriously can't believe I am arguing with people that think "America has no enemies".... What the heck??
Originally posted by Zamini
You gave me a list that started with a horseback carriage filled TNT in 1920.
But then again, you are not trying to get the dangers that are intrinsic to flying out, you are trying to scare people.
"Oh look, someone tried to blow up a piece of Wall Street in 1920 with a horseback carriage filled with TNT"...
Originally posted by Zamini
And your heinous attitude on behalf of the TSA is anything but insulting to...should we ask? Why don't you hold a poll in America that is filled out by more than 50 people working for the TSA shall we? Shall we also organize people politically, so they demand from their lawmakers the TSA be put in the waste bin? These possibilities all exist for the people but since they are too scared of people from the past and their TNT filled carriages...it's a little hard to organize.
Originally posted by Zamini
Let's see how long your freedom lasts without a military... and or security...
That's a veiled threat. Sort of like the mafia practice of offering protection for protection money.
Originally posted by Zamini
Oh yeah, that's right, you wouldn't have any freedom if it wasn't for security... your enemies would own you.
Oh, another veiled threat.
Originally posted by Zamini
F Y I, your enemies already own you. It's a four letter enemy you are trying your hardest not to piss off.
Originally posted by Zamini
As to further enlightening my ignorance(oxymoron) with your WIKI link - let me demonstrate how information needs to be relative in order to be effective.
Originally posted by Zamini
When you use information that you don't read you end up being the ignorant one.
Originally posted by Zamini
That kid was put on that plane by someone. So the integrity of the whole list becomes questionable.
Originally posted by Zamini
Oh I don't deny that at all. What I am denying however is the veracity of the claims.
Originally posted by verylowfrequency
reply to post by gift0fpr0phecy
I'd rather live with the results of an attack every ten years or what ever than an assault on my liberty and freedom everyday by the TSA.
Originally posted by verylowfrequency
Personally I'd rather be killed than be treated like a convicted felon in my own country, but hey maybe you like strangers molesting your family and treating you like crap or maybe you don't know any better.
Originally posted by verylowfrequency
More likely though you work for the TSA - which means you don't care about America, Americans, freedom & liberty - just power over them & a paycheck.
Originally posted by kro32
They use children suicide bombers and they would have no problems getting an old woman to do this knowing she would not be checked.
I'm glad to op is so concerned about a minor delay for an old woman and has 0 concern for the family's and individuals aboard the aircraft.
You have ignorantly intruded into the conversation, and at the the same time you took my words out of context and implied the reason behind my words was something it is not.
If you are going to continue to do that I will refrain from speaking to you because I get easily annoyed by people who have comprehension issues and take things out of context.
Heinous attitude on behalf of the TSA???
No it is not a veiled threat.
It is called a "hypothetical situation"
which is often used to help imagine the consequences of a certain scenario. We are talking about security and or lack there of, and it was only inherent to contemplate such a hypothetical situation in this conversation.
Now can you please stop taking my words out of context and accusing me of not only threatening you? I really hate when people make up b.s. and then accuse people of said b.s..
We are talking about security and lack there of... If I am having a conversation about car alarms and I say "without a car alarm your car can easily be stolen", that is not a threat that I am going to steal your car, that is just a fact presented in a conversation.
Either you are purposefully manipulating the meaning of my words to make me out to be some evil government agent... or... you are mentally unstable and incapable of understanding context and have difficulty with reading comprehension.
Now look who is trying to scare people.... You fail...
I was having a conversation about the existence of enemies and terrorists, and I provided a list of several attacks that are considered terrorism and or carried out by enemies of America which is relative to the conversation. I didn't even need to do that since it is 100% true that America has enemies and terrorists exist.
You on the other hand took my words out of context, and are trying to post relative information to your own misinterpretation of my words. That is just ridiculous and pathetic.....
So you are going to deny that the items on the list are true?
If you don't deny that terrorists and enemies of America exist, then why did you interrupt a conversation that is about the existence of terrorists and enemies of America after I had proven them to exist using a list of known terrorists attacks???
You are a waste.
Originally posted by Zamini
OH so you're here posting wiki links to remind us all that 9/11 did take place? Are you part of the reminder police? Get over yourself. Just correcting people to be a pain in the behind without serving a point is ridiculous.
Originally posted by Zamini
Ah alright, I see. Well, it's not like I've dealt with supremacists like yourself before so go ahead.
Originally posted by Zamini
Yes. Because when you come here and tell people they are wrong and you feel the urgent need to remind them of America's enemies(how stupid do you take people for? Do you honestly believe there exists a person here without an enemy? let alone a country? This is why I say supremacist because you obviously look down on people)
Originally posted by Zamini
No it is not a veiled threat.
Yes it is. Don't insult my intelligence.
Originally posted by Zamini
It is called a "hypothetical situation"
Uhuh. Like, "if you don't shut up I'll punch you in the face" is a hypothetical situation.
Originally posted by Zamini
So what happens when a hypothetical becomes an ignorant hyperbole?
Originally posted by Zamini
Oh so it's fine for you to insult people and threaten people under the "guise" of hypothetical when everything you say is extremely exaggerated and, you can admit this, is said with very little background research.
Originally posted by Zamini
We are talking about security and lack there of... If I am having a conversation about car alarms and I say "without a car alarm your car can easily be stolen", that is not a threat that I am going to steal your car, that is just a fact presented in a conversation.
Depending on who you are I would either call the cops on you or put a camera next to my car to catch you in the act. Common sense. Why? Because cars are stolen, with or without alarms. Easily. You know why? No you don't because you don't have background knowledge. Besides, your analogy is completely off. But keep trying.
Originally posted by Zamini
Uhuh. Sure thing dude. I'm the one bringing in "terrorist plots" from the 1920's into a thread about TSA(this is on topic) while you are here screaming to people that "America has enemies...here's the wiki link!". What purpose does that suit? None. But you didn't think it through. Did you?
Originally posted by Zamini
Ah if only you had some of this intellect you tell me I have none of. Go ask your president or any member of your government and see if they're not scared. Just because you don't know what's around the corner doesn't mean I'm trying to scare you. You are trying to scare people with this whole terrorist thing that you learned from watching FOX, while I'm trying to educate people on the fact that China is moving upstream on the world stage. I have been doing this for at least 8 years now while you have been pointing to terrorists for...?
Originally posted by Zamini
Are you sure you understand those percentages you brought into this? I mean, percentages dude. WOAW.
And a 100% while at it, good job!
Originally posted by Zamini
Just because you don't consider the implications of your own posts...before you post, does not mean that others do not see this. Get off the high horse, you broke its back.
Originally posted by Zamini
I'm not going to deny them. However, you using that list in the manner that you did(you used it in response to terror attacks on US soil, while the list primarily contains attacks OFF US soil) DOES give me concern for not taking it in as relevant information to the topic, ie. the integrity of the list is gone. It still has some value on its own but just as a stipulation of; this and that happened.
Originally posted by Zamini
If you wish to hold off topic conversations without considering the implications that your discussions have on the topic at hand, then simply don't post off topic or PM people.
Originally posted by Zamini
Well see, you managed to reply to everything I posted except for my question to you, which you could have surely attacked to HIGHLIGHT my ignorance.
So again;
Are you familiar with geopolitics?