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its because, just like everyone else, they are scared. scared of dying. they need to be a part of something bigger in order to feel like their life has any meaning.
the way i see it, almost everyone is effing crazy.
christians who sit in church every sunday are no different than alien fanatics who meet up at conventions or human rights activists that band together and have rallys or anyone else who strongly believe in something so that they may be a part of something bigger.
it is so they feel comforted at the fact that theyre not alone in this life and that there is something to look forward to after they die.
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts
if you take this concept and just switch it up a little you can ask, 'why are you the religion you are?'
why do you really believe in christianity? because the bible says so?
have you ever even read the religious texts of any other religions?
is it because its just the way you were brought up and that makes it right by default, because its what you know.
imho christianity and the bible have some pretty questionable origins and history. apparently the bible can be taken literally and metaphorically as christians pick and choose with what fits with the times.
why dont you stone disobeying children, or have a slave (as permitted by the bible). why not kill people who work on the sabbath?
but then at the same time people can take homosexuality and because it is bad in the bible you can hate and persecute them still?
what about the sketchiness concerning the multiple revisions and omissions from the bible over the last centuries that were made to fit with how the church has tried to control people over the years.
i know this sounds like christian bashing, and when it comes down to it i could really care less if you want to be a christian or any other religion i just think that it is important for all people to use common sense.
i dont think an ark could fit 2 billions species or that the universe is only a few thousand years old.
faith can be awesome, especially faith in yourself. but blindfaith is a crutch.
know god, no freedom
no god, know freedom
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Originally posted by willydude89
reply to post by Hydroman
really Christians are sitting in church scared of spending an eternity of burning. but then think it is ruling by fear the weakest way to rule. It is designed or corrupted to control the weak minded unlike yourself
Fear of what? We're redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, nothing to fear now.
"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ~ Romans 8:1
en.wikipedia.org...
Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time
Originally posted by coconutcutter
First off;it is'nt just Christians that have this belief.Muslims as well in their holy korahn contain the first five books that are in the holy bible.so you reall need to refrase that question.Lest you like to show off ignorance,your title definately shows a lack of knowledge of religion.Wich furth leads me to believe that explaining it to you would be a waist of time,simply because of your biased title.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Generalizations are fun. You think you know what goes through the mind of every single Christian?
Not only are you implying that all Christians are pathetic beings who feel like they are worthless in all aspects of life unless they have something to look forward to after death, but you're also showing very low respect for them. That's the thing about Christians and the Worldly, Christians will have respect for you, even if you spit in our faces. Could you say the same? Could you love someone who would murder you given the chance?
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Why do you generalize us all again and say that we feel miserable and alone in life if we don't have this belief in your god? Do all other belief systems feel alone and miserable in life because they don't believe in your god? What if we don't care about an after life? What if we are comfortable with ceasing to exist?
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Ah, as opposed to wanting to feel miserable and alone in this life, with nothing to look forward to after death? Gee, that's a great way to live!
So what drew you to your god is the idea of a personal relationship with him? Do you have a personal relationship with him? If so, could you go into detail of what you mean by that? Apollo does pull the sun across the sky, but you can't see him, he's invisible. I also see you brought up all of Allah's bad traits. Should I go read some verses to you from the O.T. to show what your god did? He's the same god you still worship, right? He's the same yesterday, today, and forever according to the bible...
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Why do I dismiss all the other possible gods? I wonder, what other gods offer a personal relationship with them? Could it be Allah, who demands blood of the enemies, who denounces women as nothing more than sex objects, who won't even let you into Heaven unless you die a martyr? Could it be Zeus, or any of the other Greek Gods? Yes, it's real easy to believe that Apollo is racing across our sky on a Chariot with the sun at his back.
Is that what they're trying to do? Disprove gods? I thought they were just trying to understand the natural world, and sure some things they discovered were once attributed to supernatural causes, but were they trying to disprove the supernatural or simply understand the natural?
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Science can disprove most of those gods, but they've yet to disprove my God.
What about those who were once Christian but are now Muslim? Or those who were once Christian but are now Buddhists, Hindu, or Atheists? Let me guess, they weren't real christians? Maybe your friend wasn't a real Muslim?
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Actually, I have. I've even spoken with a man who was once, as he called himself, a "radical muslim", and who was in the Muslim Brotherhood. I say 'was', because he's now a Christian. His name is Kamal Saleem, you should hear his testimony. My point about him, though? Well, growing up he was taught that his Religion was right, and was trained, basically. So I do agree that you're right in the sense that many people take up what they were raised with, but that doesn't account for the people who were once, say, a muslim, and came to Christianity. Something like that takes more than a book to persuade them.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Lol, sorry but that's not how it works. We don't go, "Oh, the book of so-and-so is literal", and then come back later and say it was metaphoric when it sounds contradictory. No, there is not one example you could possibly give me that proves it.
You don't believe they are in the right, but they believe they are. So how do you go about finding out who is right and who isn't? How do you get on the same page with your beliefs?
Originally posted by Lionhearte
Whoa, whoa, whoa! You got it all wrong, mate! The law was fulfilled by Christ, and those who accept Him into their hearts are saved by Grace, through Faith. There's no "works" we need to do to grant us access into Heaven. We're not perfect. Hate and persecute Homosexuals? Sorry, but you're talking about the wrong people. Christians don't hate anyone - we hate the Sin, but we love all beings. Persecute them? I can see why you'd say that, I see the signs the Children hold saying "God hates fags!", and no, I don't agree with that. Don't confuse them with Christians, they're not in the right.
Show me one original Hebrew text. None exist. What you see are copies of copies of copies of copies.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
What about the original Hebrew text? It seems to be perfectly fitting and has zero contradictions or flaws.
Cool. But actually man is many more thousands years old than that.
Originally posted by Lionhearte
I don't either. I believe an ark could hold a few several thousand animals though, given it was big enough, which it likely was. Secondly, the issue isn't that the universe is a few thousand years old, it's that mankind is only a few thousand years old. No more than 6 thousand years, actually. The Earth? Well, it could be quite old. Personally I don't think it more than maybe 13k years, but hey, that's just me.
Originally posted by coconutcutter
reply to post by Hydroman
One thing,jesus was not god,god is one.Jesus never said he was god.When talking with his deciples he told them he who has seen me has seen the father.This is were people get their view that jhesus was god.but it is not the case,he is in the father as the father is in him,they are an exact likeness,jesus was and is the true reflection of god in his fulness,in all manner and likeness,but jesus was not god.his only begotten son,yes.
Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
Did no evil?Do you know what evil is my friend?EVERY HUMAN BEING IS EVIL,but what makes the difference is accepting His love for us sinners,He gave His son to die a horrible death for us,so we can have eternal life in Him.
Accept Christ in your hearts
Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.
Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
reply to post by Hydroman
Animals don't hibernate when hungry hahahahha
fail
Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
LOL that's all atheist got dude is that they think we are in Church shivering, grinding teeth scared of God.
it makes them feel better about their bias rebellion. Like you said. God himself said "you no longer have a spirit of fear"
Atheist arguments are getting so played out
God himself said "you no longer have a spirit of fear"
Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.
Originally posted by Hydroman
Originally posted by LicentiaEstVox
Did no evil?Do you know what evil is my friend?EVERY HUMAN BEING IS EVIL,but what makes the difference is accepting His love for us sinners,He gave His son to die a horrible death for us,so we can have eternal life in Him.
Accept Christ in your hearts
Don't turn away from Him,because then he will turn away from you.
Every human being is evil? Define what you mean by evil please. I can't imagine that we're all evil, seems like no one would be able to get along and have good times together since we're all evil. Seems like we'd all be trying to kill each other for no good reason, because we are evil. It's like love shouldn't exist between ourselves since we are all evil. What do you mean by this?
Nah, before you were "saved" you were afraid of burning forever..