Can anyone explain to me why christianity and the christian god make any sense?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
I don't believe that because I have social anxiety. Pills don't do squat. I think it's all spiritual, sin ect... lack of grace. God isn't gonna allow anyone to be depressed who doesn't want to be. emos actually embrace depression and love being dark. it's all mindset and want to not be depressed.

Huh? The pills don't do squat? I wonder why people take them then? I know of people who were depressed and were on pills which helped them. Then they quit taking them and ended up killing themselves. Emos are false depression, imo, it's a fad.

Let me also demonstrate something to you. You say you have social anxiety. Drink a few beers and it will go away, because something is changing in your brain. That's similar to how depression pills work. They change something in your brain so that you aren't depressed like you were before.


[Who's to say the medical industry isn't trying to scam people to earn dollars, saying it's all chemical. I don't believe it. Because Iv'e experienced it. this pills made it worse in my instance. Nobodies gonna kill themsleves whodoesn't want to. You know how many times I felt about commit suicide? I never did it. Nobodies that week unless they have other issues. they fight to get out of it. maybee depsression is tha fact that certain souls don't wanna love anymore,, or be dilligent, work ect.. Like i said, I don't buy it's chemical.

I'm not depressed anymore so no need of beer to drown out reality. Plus it taste like cold piss. But to each their own

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
The Jews were wrong. And i chose it because I believe in the story of adam and eve.

The Jews also believe in the story of Adam and Eve, don't they? Why do you think the Jews were wrong?

No I said they were wrong on missing the saviour. The prophecies predicting his coming.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Aniamls can show emotions but not to our extent. Which is why we control the world. They mostly run on instinct. A soul runs they body, the movements. How do you know the soul doesn't have to do with emotions?

What extent can they not show emotions as we do? At one time, dinosaurs control the world, does that mean they have souls? My soul runs my body? I thought my brain did that. You take out part of my brain and parts of my body aren't going to work. Does that mean part of my soul was taken out too? If I had two heads such as these girls www.youtube.com... which one's soul runs the body? I don't know if we even have a soul, so I can't say it has anything to do with emotions.

Dinosaurs wouldn't control the World if they lived today. We have the brain power to keep them in check. animals when hungry can't fast. they eat, they go on instinct. God put in our souls the ability to chose to go against the grain against instinct for many reasons.

Whp's to say the brain doesn't function with the soul? You got proof? you got proof all body parts aren't in act with thesoul? Those girls on youtube each have their own individual soul I believe.

I garuntee you they have different taste in foods, find different things funny ect...


man you play the advocate well, but I'm blowing smoke here. Going in circles. let me ask you a question.

you ever run out of question marks?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by shadowx089

But time doesn't exist for me so its like asking God to know something that he nor anyone has made.

How many jobs have you lost because you didn't show up on time....since time doesn't exist for you?

lol just because I want to answer this, I'm always 15 mins early, because I use a clock, and yes that clock is using a constant to measure where the sun is going to be.

In the old days people used the sun to know when to meet at places, we still do that but more accurately with a clock.

LOL I can't reply to qoutes the right way.

ugh!

and another thing animals can't laugh. it's like God put in us more realization, more emotions.

animals can't jam out to music, laugh at comedians. There is something different in us.

I think it's soul.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
[Who's to say the medical industry isn't trying to scam people to earn dollars, saying it's all chemical. I don't believe it. Because Iv'e experienced it. this pills made it worse in my instance.

Did you try a different prescription? Sometimes one prescription works for one person, but not the other. You should have asked your doctor to try something else.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Nobodies gonna kill themsleves whodoesn't want to.

Can't argue with that, lol. Unless they are a drunk driver and crash and kill themself.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
You know how many times I felt about commit suicide? I never did it. Nobodies that week unless they have other issues. they fight to get out of it. maybee depsression is tha fact that certain souls don't wanna love anymore,, or be dilligent, work ect.. Like i said, I don't buy it's chemical.

Fair enough...

Btw, I've never drank cold piss, nor warm piss so I wouldn't know.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
No I said they were wrong on missing the saviour. The prophecies predicting his coming.

Again they disagree. www.simpletoremember.com...

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Dinosaurs wouldn't control the World if they lived today. We have the brain power to keep them in check.

Exactly!!!

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
animals when hungry can't fast. they eat, they go on instinct. God put in our souls the ability to chose to go against the grain against instinct for many reasons.

What? Some animals go all winter without eating during hibernation.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Whp's to say the brain doesn't function with the soul? You got proof? you got proof all body parts aren't in act with thesoul? Those girls on youtube each have their own individual soul I believe.

I garuntee you they have different taste in foods, find different things funny ect...

I don't have proof. All I can say is that when the brain is damaged, certain body parts may not operate. Or, when blood flow is stopped to the perfectly working brain, the body will go unconscious. The brain is like a computer and the blood is what powers it. You lose the blood to it, it will stop working. So, is the soul in the blood? When we bleed, do we lose our soul? When we receive blood from someone else, do we receive part of someone else's soul?

The day I run out of question marks is the day I become god.

Originally posted by shadowx089

lol just because I want to answer this, I'm always 15 mins early, because I use a clock, and yes that clock is using a constant to measure where the sun is going to be.

In the old days people used the sun to know when to meet at places, we still do that but more accurately with a clock.

Time is a dimension. You use a location plus a time to know when and where to arrive at the destination. It does exist, but again the reference point may differ.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
and another thing animals can't laugh. it's like God put in us more realization, more emotions.

animals can't jam out to music, laugh at comedians. There is something different in us.

I think it's soul.

edit on 21-6-2011 by JesusisTruthh because: (no reason given)

How do you know they can't laugh? Why would they laugh at a comedian, can they understand them? Would you laugh at a joke that I told you in russian if you didn't know what I was saying? How do you know they don't enjoy music? And again, any of those things could also be a result of lack of brain power/function.

EDIT: I'm off to work so I won't be on for a while. Good talking to you guys.

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How do you know they can't laugh? Why would they laugh at a comedian, can they understand them? Would you laugh at a joke that I told you in russian if you didn't know what I was saying? How do you know they don't enjoy music? And again, any of those things could also be a result of lack of brain power/function.


Well they can't physically laugh, they don't show that emotion, scientific studies. I don't mean listen to comedians, I mean they can't tell jokes or laugh at wit based sentences. Now the music thing, they might be confortable around certain sounds but they can't openly bob their head to the beat.

They could be, or they could be lack of spirit. individuality.

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At the end of the day, god sacrificed himself to himself as a payment for rules he invented. Anyone who says they understand the logic in that is lying

Originally posted by Hydroman
From my understanding of christianity, god existed before anything else. Before he spoke creation into existence, there was no life as we know it, no earth, no people, no reason for atonement.

Correct, God begins, he is, "I am"

Originally posted by Hydroman
From what I've understood as a former christian, the biblical god is all-knowing and all-powerful. He exists outside of space and time, somehow. Am I right about that so far?

Space and Time idk nobody does, he never says that. But he is all-knowing and all-powerful.

Originally posted by Hydroman
So, before he created anything, he already knew what was going to happen. If he didn't, he wouldn't be all-knowing. This means that before he spoke he knew that 1/3 of the angels that he was about to create would rebel. He also knew that one of them, Satan, would tempt his first human creations, and they would fall also. Then, he knew he would have to devise a way to forgive them, and that would be through blood sacrifice (when at this time, blood didn't even exist). He also knew that he would be at one point happy with his creation, and then later saddened by it and wish he hadn't done it. He also knew that he was going to have to flood the entire earth, but save 8 people and a bunch of animals.

Obviously I went over this part and time. He doesn't know the future. All-Knowing doesn't mean he should know the future. "If it exist since it hasn't happen yet"

p.s. if you make it heaven and you learn time doesn't exist. I get....a party! I'm sure thats allowed in heaven..maybe.

Originally posted by Hydroman
Ultimately, he knew that because he devised a way for man to be forgiven and reconciled to him that he was going to have to become one of us and die so that he could reconcile us to himself because of this rule he made up, but that there would be many, many, many more who wouldn't believe this or accept it and he was going to have to torture them forever in fire, along with the fallen angels because there is apparently no other way around it.

(My understanding)

How does any of this make any sense?

As to your original post, you're asking the wrong question. Can someone find the answer to a math problem if they start out believing that the answer is impossible? Rhetorical question, obvious answer. Same applies here, no one here is going to try and convince you why it should make sense to you.

On the other hand, I will explain why it makes sense to me.

I'm perfectly satisfied not being able to 100% know for certain what the ultimate plan is for all 'this', but you have to ask yourself a few questions.. First, can one say with absolute certainty that there is no God (any deity)? The answer is 'No'; understand that it would take absolute knowledge of our entire Universe, absolute knowledge of Everything, and when one has -that- knowledge, with it comes the absolute power of creation, and they themselves, would become a God.

Possible for a Human? No, therefore, we cannot with absolute certainty that God exists, or even, doesn't exist. That's where faith comes in, so understand that I simply speak of something I believe in, just as you do.

Anyways, the reason for all of this? The point to all life as we know it? I don't believe it relies on a single factor, but if it had to, I believe it would be Love.

Love is a powerful emotion, something that has painfully been worn out in today's world, but it's still something that exists, and always will.

I believe that an all-powerful, all-knowing being created Life and everything in and outside of our Universe out of Love. His plan may not be obvious to us, but it might certainly be understandable in some form if we take the time to research it. The thing is.. God wants to be loved/worshiped by his Creations, which is what the point of the Angels were. Giving Satan freewill was the first step - God obviously knew he would disobey him, and take a 1/3 of the Angels with him (Satan is a very powerful creature, indeed), and yes, he did know what would happen all throughout our history, including the fall of Man, and what would happen in the end.

The point of it all?

I believe it all would be used as a reminder. When you touched the stove as a child and burned your hand, you learned not to touch it again, because it was hot, and caused you pain. Mankind goes through it's painful experience here on Earth, with the choice to touch the stove again or not.

Point is, when all is said and done and we're living in Eternity, we'll have prior knowledge, experience, of what happened before.. There won't be any Sin, and there won't be any temptation.. No one will say "Let us rebel against God...", because we will always remember our lives here on Earth, and how much Man has fallen thanks to the first being to rebel against God.

We'll know not to touch the stove, and we'll praise God - willfully, not like some robotic Angels. Because that's what it's all about, Love, Eternity, Freewill.. the knowledge to understand everything.

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really Christians are sitting in church scared of spending an eternity of burning. but then think it is ruling by fear the weakest way to rule. It is designed or corrupted to control the weak minded unlike yourself

Apparently from the responses I've read, the answer to your question is a resounding "No" - NO ONE has been able to explain to you why christianity and the christian god make any sense - as you've defined them. If it were possible to eliminate the bible from the discussion.... never mind that doesn't make any sense either. To some folks, the idea of a creator makes sense, the idea of some sort of devotion/worship might make sense, the idea of redemption and fogiveness might make sense - even the concept of an all powerful being doesn't seem to far fetched for some people of faith. Ultimately, it comes down to "all knowing" as the untenable pretext. When you consider an omniscient being in context with biblical stories there's just no way any of it makes any sense at all.

Then there's the obvious paradox that an omnipresent, omnipowerful, omniscient god seems to have the mentality of an adolescent narcisstic sociopath throughout much of the old testament (dude, go kill you son as a sacrifice - wait just kidding) especially the israelite expansion wars and tremendous body counts with descriptions of mayhem murder and torture - all in god's name or at least by his chosen people.

One other thing is that the christian view of hell is taken from Dante - I could be mistaken but there's almost nothing in the bible about hell specifically. So of course god would've known that Dante was going to fill in the blanks about "hell".

ganjoa

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Can anyone explain to me why christianity and the christian god make any sense?

No, neither will make any sense to you.


"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith the LORD." ~ Isaiah 55:8

Originally posted by willydude89
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really Christians are sitting in church scared of spending an eternity of burning. but then think it is ruling by fear the weakest way to rule. It is designed or corrupted to control the weak minded unlike yourself

Fear of what? We're redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, nothing to fear now.

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." ~ Romans 8:1

Originally posted by Hydroman
He also knew that he would be at one point happy with his creation, and then later saddened by it and wish he hadn't done it.

The question is, is he happy with it now? If he knows everything (does it say that in the Bible?) then maybe he was ok with the idea of a few billion (or however long) years of sadness, to him that might not be a huge deal, considering the concept of eternity. Maybe its worth it in the end, and this was the best way to go about it.

Originally posted by willydude89
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really Christians are sitting in church scared of spending an eternity of burning. but then think it is ruling by fear the weakest way to rule. It is designed or corrupted to control the weak minded unlike yourself

Why would the Christians be sitting in church scared of spending an eternity of burning? That's the funniest paradox I have heard today

you should also ask "why christianity and the christian god make any more sense than any other religion?

its because, just like everyone else, they are scared. scared of dying. they need to be a part of something bigger in order to feel like their life has any meaning.

the way i see it, almost everyone is effing crazy.

christians who sit in church every sunday are no different than alien fanatics who meet up at conventions or human rights activists that band together and have rallys or anyone else who strongly believe in something so that they may be a part of something bigger.

it is so they feel comforted at the fact that theyre not alone in this life and that there is something to look forward to after they die.

"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen Roberts

if you take this concept and just switch it up a little you can ask, 'why are you the religion you are?'

why do you really believe in christianity? because the bible says so?
have you ever even read the religious texts of any other religions?
is it because its just the way you were brought up and that makes it right by default, because its what you know.

imho christianity and the bible have some pretty questionable origins and history. apparently the bible can be taken literally and metaphorically as christians pick and choose with what fits with the times.

why dont you stone disobeying children, or have a slave (as permitted by the bible). why not kill people who work on the sabbath?
but then at the same time people can take homosexuality and because it is bad in the bible you can hate and persecute them still?

what about the sketchiness concerning the multiple revisions and omissions from the bible over the last centuries that were made to fit with how the church has tried to control people over the years.

i know this sounds like christian bashing, and when it comes down to it i could really care less if you want to be a christian or any other religion i just think that it is important for all people to use common sense.

i dont think an ark could fit 2 billions species or that the universe is only a few thousand years old.

faith can be awesome, especially faith in yourself. but blindfaith is a crutch.

know god, no freedom
no god, know freedom

Originally posted by xxblackoctoberxx
you should also ask "why christianity and the christian god make any more sense than any other religion?

why dont you stone disobeying children, or have a slave (as permitted by the bible). why not kill people who work on the sabbath?
but then at the same time people can take homosexuality and because it is bad in the bible you can hate and persecute them still?


know god, no freedom
no god, know freedom

Oh but wasn't that the OT, in the NT and after stoning is no longer acceptable, and neither is slavery (don't know about Jews though). Did they really stone children for disobeying their parents? Wouldn't the religion gone extinct by now .

First off;it is'nt just Christians that have this belief.Muslims as well in their holy korahn contain the first five books that are in the holy bible.so you reall need to refrase that question.Lest you like to show off ignorance,your title definately shows a lack of knowledge of religion.Wich furth leads me to believe that explaining it to you would be a waist of time,simply because of your biased title.