Can anyone explain to me why christianity and the christian god make any sense?

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
You are trying to trick me dude. Come on. I meant live in heaven, dwell there for eternity.

God came down to Satan.

No, not trying to trick you.


KJV
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

So, here we have who some might considered the father of evil in the presence of god. If god is ok with it, why isn't he okay with all others who are evil being in his presence?

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Would you want to not exist because a few commit suicide?

Lol, that wasn't my point. My point was that not everyone shares our opinions that we love life. There are those who do not love life and have proved it.


Ok but many do share our opinions and God made us for the ones who would love life and love him.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
How is fire not the right punishment? Who said it wasn't in the spiritual sense. a fire of hatred? literal flames can't burn a soul. We don't know what God meant. I can decide for myself and I have. I love God.
laters.

A fire of hatred? Where did you get that? From the bible? How do you know literal flames can't burn a soul? What is a soul and how do you know we have one?

From the saints. How do you know literal flames can burn the soul? How do you know we don't have a soul? You like playing the advocate?

This thread is in terms of God existing, therefore I'm using a doctrine of faith that we have souls.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
You are trying to trick me dude. Come on. I meant live in heaven, dwell there for eternity.

God came down to Satan.

No, not trying to trick you.


KJV
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

So, here we have who some might considered the father of evil in the presence of god. If god is ok with it, why isn't he okay with all others who are evil being in his presence?

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It doesn't say anything about living in his kingdom. Once earth is ended Satan will be locked away forever.

I'm talking about dwelling in his house, kingdom, sharing his spirit. Heaven is inwardly not just a place.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Ok but many do share our opinions and God made us for the ones who would love life and love him.

Cool, but why make ones who don't love life and love him?

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
From the saints. How do you know literal flames can burn the soul? How do you know we don't have a soul? You like playing the advocate?

This thread is in terms of God existing, therefore I'm using a doctrine of faith that we have souls.

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I don't know if we have a soul or not. I can't just go by what an old document says, or by using faith. I mean, why did you choose that old document to believe and put faith in instead of the many others that exist?

reply to post by madnessinmysoul Life would be pointless if there is no afterlife , but that's just my opinion.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
It doesn't say anything about living in his kingdom. Once earth is ended Satan will be locked away forever.
I'm talking about dwelling in his house, kingdom, sharing his spirit. Heaven is inwardly not just a place.

I was making a couple of points. You said god came down to him, which he did not.
And, evil can exist in his presence and he is ok with it. But don't you think that god is everywhere, omnipresent? There is evil all over the world and god is all up in it if he is everywhere, and he is letting evil people live. Well, except for the occasional flood....

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Ok but many do share our opinions and God made us for the ones who would love life and love him.

Cool, but why make ones who don't love life and love him?


I dunno. They get free will to decide to be depressed or not.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
From the saints. How do you know literal flames can burn the soul? How do you know we don't have a soul? You like playing the advocate?

This thread is in terms of God existing, therefore I'm using a doctrine of faith that we have souls.

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I don't know if we have a soul or not. I can't just go by what an old document says, or by using faith. I mean, why did you choose that old document to believe and put faith in instead of the many others that exist?

Because the New testament is a continuation of the Old. Christ is the awaited saviour I believe from the Old testament.

I believe we have a soul because of our ability to chose and to have all sorts of emotions in us. We aren't robots.

later dude.

Originally posted by bdb818888
reply to post by madnessinmysoul Life would be pointless if there is no afterlife , but that's just my opinion.

 

Do insects have an afterlife? Do dogs? Sharks? Apes? Does Bacteria? If not, then their lives are pointless. Or maybe we exist here for a different reason and we are to give our lives meaning ourselves?

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Yes I am a christian. I do believe in God.

An now passing his seed to Mary was not a risk. He made humans, he know how a female body works after all hes the first doctor taking adam rib. Hell hes the first scientist/biologist making a Human about of dirt.

As for scientist and that they think they can prove time i disagree with it for now until either I understand what they say and know its right, or I don't get it and have to do the best next thing, think what I think time is flawed or not.

But time doesn't exist for me so its like asking God to know something that he nor anyone has made. Yes there are facts about mass and gravity effecting time but then again I have my own explination for that one also because they think time is real.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
It doesn't say anything about living in his kingdom. Once earth is ended Satan will be locked away forever.
I'm talking about dwelling in his house, kingdom, sharing his spirit. Heaven is inwardly not just a place.

I was making a couple of points. You said god came down to him, which he did not.
And, evil can exist in his presence and he is ok with it. But don't you think that god is everywhere, omnipresent? There is evil all over the world and god is all up in it if he is everywhere, and he is letting evil people live. Well, except for the occasional flood....

Ok sue me lol. I haven't read Job in forever.

This is a good point that God is everywhere, but it is said that he excludes himself from hell since he can do all things. But, he's not gonna allow them in heaven around good. And he's not gonna allow them to recieve graces. heaven will be on Earth, he's gonna rebuild it. Evil will be in a seperate place.

He lets evil people live and good live, he lets evil die and good die. Im talking about eternally, not earthly.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
I dunno. They get free will to decide to be depressed or not.

Lol. Maybe they don't have free will. Maybe the chemicals in their brains are imbalanced and causes them to have those thoughts? It is known that there are medications that can correct it.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Because the New testament is a continuation of the Old. Christ is the awaited saviour I believe from the Old testament.

The Jews, whom the O.T. was written for, do not agree with you. But again, so what if the N.T. is continuation of the O.T.? Why did you choose this document over the many others?

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
I believe we have a soul because of our ability to chose and to have all sorts of emotions in us. We aren't robots.

Can any other animals show all sorts of emotions? Are they robots? Do they have souls? Why can't we have emotions and not have a soul? What does the soul have to do with emotions? I don't get it.

Originally posted by shadowx089

But time doesn't exist for me so its like asking God to know something that he nor anyone has made.

How many jobs have you lost because you didn't show up on time....since time doesn't exist for you?

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Ok sue me lol. I haven't read Job in forever.

How much money do you have and would it be worth my time?

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
He lets evil people live and good live, he lets evil die and good die. Im talking about eternally, not earthly.

I only understand earthly.

For me to make since of things I like to think because its a fague topic.

Well I like to pretend if I was a God. I created life perhaps for a reason and i'm loving and I realise that Humans are responsible for their own actions so I would have to give them freedom on a planet they will call Earth to do as their own. After a while something happens and now theirs an evil force that wants to overthrow me and take the desires of man and make them slaves of it not able to stop drinking or abusing all other acts of their lifes. So I can't just pop out like the old days because Humans will do what they always do, (suck up to the one in power to try to gain their favor). I want to make sure that Humans live so I would make a place for them that has no evil and where they will live happily. But I can't just take everyone, if one person is just pretending and really can't let go of sins then the whole kingdom will fall and all its people in it. So I have to make rules and watch all, so when their time comes I will know if they are allowed into my Kingdom I call Heaven. They will know how they should live because I would give them a Book that will last throughout mankinds existence, it will tell them of me and how to live a good life. That is whats most important for them to know.

Originally posted by Hydroman

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
I dunno. They get free will to decide to be depressed or not.

Lol. Maybe they don't have free will. Maybe the chemicals in their brains are imbalanced and causes them to have those thoughts? It is known that there are medications that can correct it.


I don't believe that because I have social anxiety. Pills don't do squat. I think it's all spiritual, sin ect... lack of grace. God isn't gonna allow anyone to be depressed who doesn't want to be. emos actually embrace depression and love being dark. it's all mindset and want to not be depressed.

The Jews, whom the O.T. was written for, do not agree with you. But again, so what if the N.T. is continuation of the O.T.? Why did you choose this document over the many others?

The Jews were wrong. And i chose it because I believe in the story of adam and eve.


Can any other animals show all sorts of emotions? Are they robots? Do they have souls? Why can't we have emotions and not have a soul? What does the soul have to do with emotions? I don't get it.



Aniamls can show emotions but not to our extent. Which is why we control the world. They mostly run on instinct. A soul runs they body, the movements. How do you know the soul doesn't have to do with emotions?

Originally posted by shadowx089
For me to make since of things I like to think because its a fague topic.

Well I like to pretend if I was a God. I created life perhaps for a reason and i'm loving and I realise that Humans are responsible for their own actions so I would have to give them freedom on a planet they will call Earth to do as their own. After a while something happens and now theirs an evil force that wants to overthrow me and take the desires of man and make them slaves of it not able to stop drinking or abusing all other acts of their lifes. So I can't just pop out like the old days because Humans will do what they always do, (suck up to the one in power to try to gain their favor). I want to make sure that Humans live so I would make a place for them that has no evil and where they will live happily. But I can't just take everyone, if one person is just pretending and really can't let go of sins then the whole kingdom will fall and all its people in it. So I have to make rules and watch all, so when their time comes I will know if they are allowed into my Kingdom I call Heaven. They will know how they should live because I would give them a Book that will last throughout mankinds existence, it will tell them of me and how to live a good life. That is whats most important for them to know.

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In other words, you would suck at being a god.

Sorry, I can't help you there.

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oh now your just being rude. But yes. So would you. Unless I get all that divine knowledge and wisdom. But like I said its a what if. I'm a human and humans can't think very far into the unknown without getting lost quick. We are still trying to figure out how love works completely, let alone GOD.

Anyway this topic got wayyy off course.

I think the original question was, why would God even bother if he knows everything thats going to happen in the future.

Simple answer, He doesn't know the future.

More complicated question would be, WHY did he create anything at all? Why create a human if its flawed? Why not give them divine everything so we all would understand?

Maybe we are just toys to a lonely God.

Or maybe The place God exist is just another plain of existence just above us and hes trying to use us to get to an even higher plain of existence.

We could do this forever.

Just accept it or don't. Whatever makes you happy and doesn't kill anyone else.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
I don't believe that because I have social anxiety. Pills don't do squat. I think it's all spiritual, sin ect... lack of grace. God isn't gonna allow anyone to be depressed who doesn't want to be. emos actually embrace depression and love being dark. it's all mindset and want to not be depressed.

Huh? The pills don't do squat? I wonder why people take them then? I know of people who were depressed and were on pills which helped them. Then they quit taking them and ended up killing themselves. Emos are false depression, imo, it's a fad.

Let me also demonstrate something to you. You say you have social anxiety. Drink a few beers and it will go away, because something is changing in your brain. That's similar to how depression pills work. They change something in your brain so that you aren't depressed like you were before.

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
The Jews were wrong. And i chose it because I believe in the story of adam and eve.

The Jews also believe in the story of Adam and Eve, don't they? Why do you think the Jews were wrong?

Originally posted by JesusisTruthh
Aniamls can show emotions but not to our extent. Which is why we control the world. They mostly run on instinct. A soul runs they body, the movements. How do you know the soul doesn't have to do with emotions?

What extent can they not show emotions as we do? At one time, dinosaurs control the world, does that mean they have souls? My soul runs my body? I thought my brain did that. You take out part of my brain and parts of my body aren't going to work. Does that mean part of my soul was taken out too? If I had two heads such as these girls www.youtube.com... which one's soul runs the body? I don't know if we even have a soul, so I can't say it has anything to do with emotions.

Originally posted by shadowx089

oh now your just being rude. But yes. So would you. Unless I get all that divine knowledge and wisdom. But like I said its a what if. I'm a human and humans can't think very far into the unknown without getting lost quick. We are still trying to figure out how love works completely, let alone GOD.

Just being honest, and yes I'm sure I'd suck as a god too.

Originally posted by shadowx089
Anyway this topic got wayyy off course.

I think the original question was, why would God even bother if he knows everything thats going to happen in the future.

No, the question was how does christianity make sense? All of these posts have to do with this topic.

Originally posted by shadowx089
Simple answer, He doesn't know the future.

Then he isn't omniscient, and I am fine with that idea because it makes sense.

Originally posted by shadowx089
More complicated question would be, WHY did he create anything at all? Why create a human if its flawed? Why not give them divine everything so we all would understand?

Maybe we are just toys to a lonely God. Or maybe The place God exist is just another plain of existence just above us and hes trying to use up to get to an even higher plain of existence.

Or, maybe he didn't and isn't real?

Originally posted by shadowx089
Just accept it or don't. Whatever makes you happy and doesn't kill anyone else.

Well, I care about what I believe, and I want to believe in less false things as possible and most true things as possible. I don't want to just accept something for no good reason.