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Originally posted by WeRpeons
reply to post by Southern Guardian
These same government officials turn a blind eye to our out of control military budget. Lets cut programs that benefit Americans yet continue throwing our tax dollars into an enormous military budget! These domestic programs are a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money we've thrown into these wars.
We're spending 6 times the amount on our military budget compared to China who has the second largest military budget in the world. We're spending 130 billion dollars a year for the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. We spend approximately 25 billion a year on foreign aid.
In total our Military budget is 1.2 trillion dollars. Shouldn't these elected officials be looking to cut this budget by at least 1/2? Remove all our troops stationed over seas and that would amount to a huge reduction! Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Shouldn't our government take drastic measures and cut our military budget before the dollar possibly crashes? Are they going to wait until they put the population of this country into economic hardships and chaos?
Originally posted by Chett
I just love it when people jump right to slash the military budget -
You know what is actually spent? Where it goes? How many more young people would be out of work if we cut the military big time?
have to work for it - not a handout. So Sorry.
Originally posted by Australiana
reply to post by Southern Guardian
It should always be the woman's choice. It is HER body and HER responsibility in the future so she should not be bullied into making wrong decisions. So many times it happens, someone makes you a promise to stand by you... and then... they leave you all alone in the lurch...
The only person you should ever learn to rely on is yourself - unfortunate but true.
"It should always be the woman's choice. It is HER body and HER responsibility"
Originally posted by Chett
I am staying out of the abortion debate this time, it always just goes round and round.
Pro-choice people rant a lot about 'rape victims' - just once I would like to see some stats on that to go with it.
Originally posted by Phenomium
I think it should be a man's choice.
I think that it should be the CHILDS choice.
This statement clearly proves that women today are simply just selfish in nature
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by Maslo
For me, it comes down to government interference in our lives. If the government interfered and told me that I had to give blood, or that I couldn't have an abortion, it's the same thing. My body is mine. The government has no place in the conduct of my personal life.
Originally posted by Maslo
All right, but according to this logic, you would have to answer yes to the siamese twins question I posted earlier, otherwise you are not consistent. Not to mention that the siamese twins case is much more biased towards yes as an answer than an abortion, because it is much bigger burden on the other person.
I listed two criteria as to why fetuses don't have the same rights as people:
One was TOTAL dependence on another for life (as a fetus is to a woman).
Two was being unborn or not yet a person (and therefore having questionable rights afforded "people').
Conjoined twins are PEOPLE and therefore have rights. Specifically, the right to life. Violating that right would be a crime.
Originally posted by Maslo
What is the rationale behind the "unborn" criterion? Surely it is something to do with biological dependence on the mother? And please dont answer with it being derived from US constitution or something, answer with your own logical justification.
Also, late-term abortions do not fullfill your first criterion, because these babies are not totaly dependent on the mother, they can survive without her.
Originally posted by Maslo
So let me get this straight: People acquire rights by being born, because they are no longer biologically dependent on another persons body.
But a siamese twin that is equally dependent on another persons body magically does possess a right to live, and can limit his hosts rights to his body accordingly.
Again, this is inconsistent.
Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
...people seem to think they are the best suited to make a decision for another person.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
reply to post by Southern Guardian
I am not denying what Perry said.
I am denying what YOU asserted.
I will quote your thread title: "So called "pro-lifers" cut food aid for poor single mothers, children and infants."
You cherry picked your quote. I read the link, and it says that EVERY CORNER of teh Texas government is getting slashed.
It's not cherry picking. The title of the thread is pro-lifers cutting out aid to the poor of this nation.
. . .
Do you support what Perry is doing?
Are you pro-life?
Do you agree that government should enforce law and order over a pregnant woman's body? Please state your position, thanks.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
Originally posted by Phenomium
I think it should be a man's choice.
Maybe it's the man's choice "morally" or "legally" in your view, but biologically it is a woman's body and her choice, her control. Fact is, the woman carries the fetus, what she chooses to do will inevitably effect the fetus, a man has no further say in it other than his one night stand and part of his DNA.
As I said, "morally" and "legally" you may view it as the man's choice, but reality and biologically, it's the woman's, and only the womans. Until men share pregnancies, it's going to stay that was for some time.
I think that it should be the CHILDS choice.
I don't believe fetuses can make choices, and I don't believe their children. I do frown upon woman who make the choice of abortion after making a bad choice before, but I don't for one bit blame a rape victim for choosing that road.
This statement clearly proves that women today are simply just selfish in nature
I don't believe a rape victim is selfish at all for the choice she made in abortion, I don't believe a child is selfish for choose an abortion, yes, a child, pregnant children, they exist, and for MANY reasons. I do agree with you that there are many woman who are selfish, who carry out abortions for the sake of convenience, but that is not the case for some women who are put in that position.
I don't believe fetuses can make choices, and I don't believe their children. I do frown upon woman who make the choice of abortion after making a bad choice before, but I don't for one bit blame a rape victim for choosing that road.