Antarctica Mysteries Ice free?

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Regenstorm

 

Yes, it's interesting the story didn't get more coverage, being wartime and all.

Perhaps it wasn't a Nazi repair shop at all. While there isn't anyplace called Deception Bay in Antarctica, the article is probably referring to Deception Island. Perhaps it was a whaling station which was destroyed in order to prevent Nazi's from utilizing it. Even back then the MSM could screw a story up.

I seriously doubt that because:

Germany was in need of more land.
In the German documentary "UFO, the Third Reich strikes back" they show an article which appeared in 1939 in "Der Vier Jahresplan" in which is mentioned that the Nazis found something extraordinary that would have large consequences for human rights and world-politics.

reply to post by Phage


Not likely

Training would make much more sense in the Greenland Sea, not Antarctica. Any realistic military training would have been far more applicable in the North Atlantic, and the small strip of seas that connect to the Arctic Ocean.

Why establish a ground base in Antarctica for military purposes?

A military base on Antarctica makes no sense at all, especially sending a large force so far for a training exercise for an extremely unlikely scenario. All these training and exploration goals could have been done far more easily, and less costly, with much smaller numbers. If they were actually worried about the USSR at the time, why divert such a large force to the other side of the planet for a very unlikely scenario?

reply to post by poet1b

You make it sound like it was a massive invasion force.
2 destroyers. One served as a weather station and rescue vessel. The other as a weather station.
2 ice breakers.
1 aircraft carrier. To transport the recon aircraft, it left as soon as the planes were delivered.
2 seaplane tenders
2 tankers
2 supply ships
1 communications vessel
1 submarine

13 vessels split into 3 groups. 13 vessels is not an invasion force. These 13 vessels were not an invasion force. Where are the landing craft? Where are the troop carriers? Where are the bombers? Who was going to occupy the invaded territory? The sailors? They're not exactly trained for that sort of job.

BTW, You left out the rest of Byrd's quote.

Admiral Byrd's comments in his press release of November 12, 1946, stated that " . . . the purposes of the operation are primarily of a military nature, that is to train naval personnel and to test ships, planes and equipment under frigid zone conditions. . . A major purpose of the expedition is to learn how the Navy's standard, everyday equipment will perform under everyday conditions".

www.south-pole.com...

Dear All

Thank you so much for making this such a splendid thread.

There has been some good research done and actual articles posted, keep up the good work.

Phage you do an excellent job of posting the official line, however one really must consider alternatives when dealing with any military or government statements.

On here we are dealing with smoke and mirrors everyday that is what they do all the time.

Do not ask me to provide examples as you know the proved deception as well as anybody.

Yes the USA was worried about the Russians at that time but as someone pointed out military exercises in the North Atlantic would have made far more sense. The Russians would be most unlikely to attack from the south.

The minerals, yes I am sure that is partly true.

Military training, again that is what they do but the location seam way off if worried about the Russians.

Testing equipment for all of the same, sure but again they did not have to go so far.

Oh and by the way I think they said it was a invasion in the film Secret Land. Just the name of their documentary points to something.

So despite Phage and his relentless official statements I still feel that there is more to this story.

After all there is more to every official story that we more often than not have to wait a 100 years to find out.

Dear All

On March 5, 1947 the *El Mercurio* newspaper of Santiago, Chile, had a
headline article "On Board the Mount Olympus on the High Seas" which
quoted Byrd in an interview with Lee van Atta: "Adm. Byrd declared today
that it was imperative for the United States to initiate immediate defence
measures against hostile regions. The admiral further stated that he didn't
want to frighten anyone unduly but that it was a bitter reality that in case of
a new war the continental United States would be attacked by flying objects
which could fly from pole to pole at incredible speeds. (Earlier he had recom-
mended defence bases at the NORTH Pole.) Admiral Byrd repeated the above
points of view, resulting from his personal knowledge gathered both at the
north and south poles, before a news conference held for International News
Service."

This is from www.beyondweird.com...

Now I have seen the original but at the moment I have not found it again.

reply to post by MAC269

That was discussed here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here is the article:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net...
The portion concerning both poles in the second paragraph.

Here is the translation, it is accurate. Nothing about flying from pole to pole. Nothing about incredible speeds. The translation you quoted is incorrect, intentionally deceptive.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Phage


Dear Phage

Thanks for that, I wonder where it came from then?

Anyway here is what you are referring too I think.

QUOTE: "Admiral Richard E Byrd warned today of the need for the United States to adopt protective measures against the possibility of invasion of the country by hostile aircraft proceeding from the polar regions. 'I don't want to scare anybody but the bitter reality is that in the event of a new war the United States will be attacked by aircraft flying in from one or both poles."

On three occasions in the article Admiral Byrd warned of "invasion of the country". This term does not mean invasion of air space, it means invasion of the United States by a foreign Power. In 1947 the United States was the world's only super Power. The threat to the security of the United States was of attack and invasion by aircraft proceeding from the polar regions. One of the main reasons for Admiral Byrd's early return was to warn his countrymen to prepare defences against this threat. He could have reported his findings by signal but instead he decided to head for home, so urgent was what he had to communicate

Anyway to me the quote just about says it all, possibility of attack from one or both poles. Now for sure it is possible for the Russians to attack from the north.

However he had just returned from the South Pole when he said that.

So pray tell me what in the name of God’s little green apples did he find down there that could possibly lead to an attack for the South Pole?

Nothing that any of us had at that time had that sort of range. Nothing. Also particular reference to aircraft.

He could have reported his findings by signal but instead he decided to head for home, so urgent was what he had to communicate

It was urgent but not over the radio.

Do you know when I see a thread on here that interests me I read the OP then scoot through the rest to find your addition, such is your level of research and common sense.

However we really must learn to read between the lines to discover what is really going on.

reply to post by MAC269

The expedition ended because the short Antarctic summer was over and the weather was rapidly deteriorating. It was never intended to last more than a few months.

On October 15, 1946, Admiral Marc A. Mitscher, commander in chief of the Atlantic Fleet, appointed Captain Richard H. Cruzen, who participated with Richard Byrd in the UNITED STATES ANTARCTIC SERVICE EXPEDITION 1939-41, as commander of Operation Highjump. Admiral Mitscher instructed Cruzen to terminate the project when the ice and sea conditions rendered further research "unprofitable". It was "not intended that any ship or aircraft remain in the Antarctic during the winter months". Cruzens own orders were initiated two days later, centered around the construction and establishment of "a temporary base on Ross Shelf Ice in Antarctica" in order to "extend [the] explored area" of the continent and to "test material under frigid conditions".

www.south-pole.com...

The ships of the Central Group took various routes on the homeward journey. The USS MERRICK received extensive rudder damage from the ice floes and had to be towed by the USCGC NORTHWIND back to Port Chalmers, New Zealand, for repairs. All the ships had taken a significant amount of abuse from the ice. The bows and sides of the flagship and cargo vessels USS MERRICK and USS YANCEY became severely dented, as rivets were sprung and propellers damaged. Nevertheless, they all made it back.

On March 1, the final flights were made in the vicinity of Ingrid Christensen Coast. The USS CACAPON fueled the USS HENDERSON and USS CURRITUCK on March 3 and all three ships sailed for Sydney, Australia, arriving there on March 14.

Intentions were to land a party at Charcot Island but the shifting pack ice prevented any possibility. Vessels of the Eastern Group were ordered to proceed to the Weddell Sea on February 14, but unsatisfactory weather prohibited any worthwhile photographic flights. By March 4, the Eastern Group had departed Antarctic waters, arriving at Rio de Janeiro, Brazil on March 18, 1947

There was obviously no imminent threat. There was no invasion of the United States, was there? There were no aircraft from the poles, were there? You're right, there were no aircraft capable of such a flight at the time but it didn't take a fortune teller to predict that there would be some day.

Byrd was underscoring the importance of maintaining a US presence in Antarctica in order to prevent other nations from establishing a base of military operations there.

When reading between the lines it is important to not invent things which are not there. It is important to note that those who do so often resort to distortion (and mistranslation) in order to force the lines to fit their beliefs. Nowhere in the article is Byrd quoted using the word "invasion".

reply to post by Phage


Dear Phage

OK before the mission Byrd said :

Admiral Byrd's comments in his press release of November 12, 1946, stated that " . . . the purposes of the operation are primarily of a military nature, that is to train naval personnel and to test ships, planes and equipment under frigid zone conditions. . . A major purpose of the expedition is to learn how the Navy's standard, everyday equipment will perform under everyday conditions”

So we know that he know the real reason for the mission and the above certainly gives a good reason for taking such a large task force. However what is doesn’t do is explain why oh why would they do this in the Antarctic? When the north is right on the door step so to speak.

My take on this at that time has to do with a search for missing U boats. Those that are not accounted for. Now in late 1946 no one is going to come straight out with the war you thought ended in 1945 may still be in progress. There where three aircraft groups 2 flying boats 1 to search the west coast and 1 the east coast. Byrd’s group searched over land. They sure as hell are looking for something. Not just playing snow ball fights at Little America.

It is very true that the US was afraid of being invaded during that period. One really has to wonder if anybody bothered to look at a map. The only possibility was from Russia but 1947 they had just barley survived the WW2 with twenty million dead. Perhaps the Russians could have attacked over the North Pole with A bombs which at that time they did not have. But who knows the US might have believed they had them as they certainly where working on one at that time. Oh and by the way for the Russians it would have been a one way mission as the aircraft they had at that time only had the range to fly one way.

Now we have to go back Byrd was in the South Pole and what ever he found he thought too important to send over the radio. Plus he is talking about an attack from the poles either or both. By aircraft.

What attack even today from the South Pole? Say the Australians get pissed with the US? Do you think they would attack from the south it would be just as far but I guess it might be a SUPPRISE? Well it would surprise me anyway.

The fact is there is no one that would attack from the south, not then and certainly not now.

However with as little as he did say before he got back to Washington that is what he was worried about. If as you maintain nothing out of the ordinary happened on Operation HIGHJUMP then why was that foremost on his mind?

Ok I am reading between the lines but that is essential in this sort of case.

You clamed that the US wanted a presence in the Antarctic yet in on December 1st 1959 we have the signing of the Antarctic Treaty the first article beings
Article 1 – The area to be used for peaceful purposes only; military activity, such as weapons testing, is prohibited but military personnel and equipment may be used for scientific research or any other peaceful purpose;

So far as I know there is no other place on earth with this.

So in conclusion we will have to except that I think there is more to this that the official line and I consider that I give good reasons for thinking so and you think otherwise. Neither of us will prove the other wrong and I thank you so much for your efforts on this thread it has been a genuine pleasure.

reply to post by Phage


Yeah, but read on, this was no simple training exercise. This was indeed a major endeavor. I hope this quote from your link isn't too long.

www.south-pole.com...

Huge concerns were in the minds of planners as, for the very first time in Antarctic history, every vessel used in the expedition would be steel hulled. Steel is certainly stronger than wood, however wood tends to splinter in the viselike grip of pack ice while steel is usually ripped apart. It is true that Byrd successfully maneuvered the ELEANOR BOLLING through the ice pack and around the shelf in 1929, however the ELEANOR BOLLING'S hull was significantly thicker than that of most of the ships used in OPERATION HIGHJUMP. Compounding this problem was the fact that all but a handful of men were totally lacking in adequate training for polar conditions. As Professor Bertrand later noted, "Although personnel of OPERATION NANOOK served as a nucleus for staffing OPERATION HIGHJUMP, the much greater size of the later expedition necessitated the filling of many posts with men who had no previous polar exploration. It was possible to obtain the services of only eleven veterans of previous U.S. Antarctic expeditions. Only two pilots in the Central Group of the Task Force had experience in flying photographic missions". As a matter of fact, none of the seaplane pilots or flight crews had ever flown in Antarctica before. Only Byrd's personal pilot, Commander William M. Hawkes, had polar experience as he had logged hundreds of hours in the treacherous skies of Alaska. Extensive ship movements only made matters worse as the lives of many men and their families were suddenly disrupted, uprooted and shipped across country on the eve of the expedition. The USS MERRICK and USS YANCEY were attached to the Atlantic Fleet when in October they were ordered to sail for Port Hueneme, California, to prepare for the exercise. The MOUNT OLYMPUS, which played a major combat role in the war, and the USS PINE ISLAND had spent most of their lives in the Pacific Fleet and now were suddenly ordered to the Atlantic Fleet for preparations. With all the turmoil, Captain Rees of the USS MOUNT OLYMPUS wrote in exasperation to Admiral Cruzen, "Details as to the nature of the operation are completely unknown. It is therefore urgently requested that this vessel be informed at once as to what special equipment, instruments, clothing, etc. . . the ship must obtain in the limited time remaining. The ship can not be considered a smart ship". The carrier USS PHILIPPINE SEA had completed its shakedown cruise only weeks before, yet now the ship and its crew were expected to launch the largest planes ever sent from a carrier deck, quite possibly under extreme weather conditions. The navy's new icebreaker, the USS BURTON ISLAND , was still undergoing basic sea trials and training off the California coast as OPERATION HIGHJUMP began. This meant that during the earliest and possibly most crucial stages of the expedition, Cruzen and his untrained men would have to rely solely on the USCGC NORTHWIND to get the four thin-skinned ships of the Central Group through the ice pack and into the Ross Sea. Not only that, but if any of the ships from the Eastern or Western Groups ran into trouble, only the USCGC NORTHWIND would be able to assist. If the USCGC NORTHWIND should become disabled herself, the entire Central Group could be left helplessly for weeks, deep in the Ross Sea, certain prey for icebergs and the crushing pack ice.

If it was a Naval training exercise, they could have sent a few destroyers down there to cruise around the continent, but what they had in mind was a far trickier exercise. They launched the largest planes ever launched from an air craft carrier at the time. Do you have any idea of what a challenge that was, in the extreme conditions of the Southern Ocean? Possibly the most challenging seas on the planet, with the strong current circulating Antarctica.

This was a major operation.

By the way, nice link, thanks for the reading.

Lastly I would point out that it is not normally the Navy's job to conduct recon flights over the continents.
The sideline story is that Byrd was playing politics, but this seems to far of a stretch for a political chess match. Byrd had too much character and reputation to put it all out like that without a bigger reason than politics.

reply to post by poet1b

You're right, it was not just a training mission.
Yes, it was a major operation. No, it was not an invasion force. They were not equipped to invade a whorehouse (sorry, couldn't resist).

At the time, the Navy was best equipped for mapping of remote regions. Antarctica was not the only place they did it.
www.fs.fed.us...

You're right. It wasn't just politics.

(1) train personnel and test material in the frigid zones;
(2) consolidate and extend American sovereignty over the largest practical area of the Antarctic continent;
(3) determine the feasibility of establishing and maintaining bases in the Antarctic and to investigate possible base sites;
(4) develop techniques for establishing and maintaining air bases on the ice, with particular attention to the later applicability of such techniques to operations in interior Greenland, where, it was claimed, physical and climatic conditions resembled those in Antarctica,
and (5) amplify existing knowledge of hydrographic, geographic, geological, meteorological and electromagnetic conditions in the area.

reply to post by Phage


Sovereignty?
Of what?
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Phage


Having served in the U.S. Nay, I would have to disagree, The U.S. Navy is always well prepared to invade a whorehouse. Don't underestimate the U.S. Navy.

At the time, the Navy was best equipped for mapping of remote regions. Antarctica was not the only place they did it.

But why the haste?

This wasn't some training exercise. They were doing new things under extremely risky circumstances with a clear need to make things happen quickly. That isn't how your train, this is how you learn new things, in a mothers of invention way.

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anyone have 50 grand I can borrow to put Antarctica mysteries to rest??

reply to post by youallcrazy


Hmm, if all members of ATS would donate a little we could also organize an expedition to look at the anomalies members can find after studying the images.
Would be a great investment and if ATS would let the cameras roll they also could sell the show.

reply to post by Regenstorm


I picked a big area too for the price quote (2012 sq. kilometers...2012 coincidence??? yes).
their minimum order is 300 dollars I think, so for that you should be able to get 10-20 square kilometers.

reply to post by youallcrazy


Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not...
Maybe he gave you a hint because the area is according to my own research related to 2012.

Dear All

I spent a little time thinking about all this last night or rather when I woke up at around 3am, this morning.

I have to say my hat is well and truly off too Phage for all his wonderful info he has given us on this thread.

To the point where I considered what would be the reaction if the likes of Obama suddenly decided to give us disclosure relating to this topic with out producing irrefutable evidence.

The world would turn a round and say he had lost it totally.

Really :

There is a superior race of humanoid beings living at the South Pole and have been for eons.

It is they who are responsible for all the Ancient Aliens Theories all the Greek God’s the whole shmosial.

They are responsible for all the sighting that can not be explained and particularly the ones that involve nuclear facilities.

This is just too fantastic to be real, and yet?

Does it not just make sense of it all? This is the theory that too me seams to fit the lot.

It gets past the faster than light theory all he stars are just too far away.

It puts Plato right in the frame with Atlanta.

It explains the maths required for all the ancient stone work.

It explains all the mythology of Greece, India, Mayans, it might even explain 2012 but perhaps that is stretching it a little we will have to wait and see on that one.

We know what Phage thinks and I am sure we all respect him for it, but what do the rest of you think?

reply to post by MAC269


Indeed, this is it, except you forgot to mention the Nazi UFOs and Germany, the two play a crucial role in all this!
I recommend you to read the prophecies provided by the link in my signature. Especially 12 and 15.
Northland is Germany, the holey mountain the Untersberg, the secret weapon the Nazi UFOs.

BTW, I don't think that the earth is hollow, it is more likely that there is some sort of electromagnetic vortex above both poles, which causes a wormhole at both sides.

reply to post by Regenstorm


Dear Regenstorm

I will get to your link when I have a chance.

With me how it stands right now is that I do not put a lot into the idea that the Nazis had this sort of Tech back then, it does look like they where experimenting with it but I doubt that they had a off the shelf working model.

Too me it is simple logic if they had that sort of Tech I would be speaking German and I am not.

I read somewhere that they may have found some wreckage but it would seam the WW2 was over before they could make it work.

Yes the hollow earth thing sounds right off the wall just too many geologists that disagree in fact as I understand it the earth just could not work that way.

Worm hole humm? It might explain the Bermuda triangle as well anyway it is a thought.

The fact is that Byrd was worried about attacks from the South Pole and without something that is totally off the wall why would he be worried about that?

The thing is if true near all the other mysteries fall into place. Something like Einstein’s theory of everything.